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Quote from: FinalPanic on 30/07/2011 22:47:05I am sure that this has been asked before - but it is hard to work through 100's of posts to find out. The allergy hypothesis is looking quite popular - it was even reported in last months Fortean Times magazine, it is good to see the coverage. What I am trying to get straight in my mind is when does the reaction take place - we obviously carry our semen around day-in day-out with no obvious issues. Is there some point of contact with the body that triggers this off. I know that I can be bought to the point of 'O' and the stop right before the actual event (big self-control required here) but still with semen being released - but there is no POIS afterwards. Carry on through and the symptoms will hit. I still think it possible the 'hit' from the orgasm can still be somehow responsible (like the mother of all hangovers) - any thoughts? Or am I way behind the curve on this?I still find that a couple of Nytol help the next night.Yes, FinalPanic, I asked this same question a few months back. Basically, what I asked, is why when I play with myself (but don't get the big "O") I can still get fluid through the Urethra, but it doesn't bring on the full POIS force? I was almost trying to prove that it is NOT an allergic reaction. The response was from Guthrie. It was a great response so I paste it here for you:Quote from: Guthrie on 28/05/2011 22:31:05I think we should distinguish between three different potential allergens: 1) sperm, 2) ejaculate-semen, 3) pre-ejaculate fluid.So, when you masturbate, while stopping before ejaculation, pre-ejaculate (3) flows through your urethra, but semen (2) does not flow through your urethra.We know that some people develop a POIS episode just from 3, without the occurrence of 1 or 2. And, for instance, in Demo's case, he still has POIS symptoms after getting rid of 1, while 2 and 3 remain for him. Thus, ... we should ... take into account and distinguish the various elements that can potentially be contributing to an auto-immune reaction.To rephrase part of what Guthrie wrote, some of us get POIS from the pre-cum AND the seminal fluid. Some of us just get it from the seminal fluid.I'll answer your other questions more specifically.Quote:I still think it possible the 'hit' from the orgasm can still be somehow responsible (like the mother of all hangovers) - any thoughts? Yes - that is somewhat possible. It's possible that the dopamine rush you got from the "O" is so intense, that similat to the after effect of a hardcore drug, you have depleted your seratonine and you get POIS. However this has been disproved by night emissions. Some ppl can have a Night Emission, and then wake up in the morning with full throttle POIS, although they got no pleasure out of it. They didn't get the dopamine rush, but they did get the POIS. You can test this on yourself by having an "O" and release all pressure on yourself as you "O". It won't feel great, and you'll get full POIS.Quote:What I am trying to get straight in my mind is when does the reaction take place?My rudimentary understanding is that when POISers have an "O", the allergic reaction begins when the seminal fluid hits the Urethra wall, the Vas Deferens, or somewhere else - as long as the seminal fluid passes the testes/blood barrier, we can then have caused the allergic reaction and the POIS chain of events can begin. So at the point of the "O" is definitely WHEN. That's pretty much agreed upon. It's the HOW and WHERE that comprise most of the mystery.Hopefully that answers your question.
I am sure that this has been asked before - but it is hard to work through 100's of posts to find out. The allergy hypothesis is looking quite popular - it was even reported in last months Fortean Times magazine, it is good to see the coverage. What I am trying to get straight in my mind is when does the reaction take place - we obviously carry our semen around day-in day-out with no obvious issues. Is there some point of contact with the body that triggers this off. I know that I can be bought to the point of 'O' and the stop right before the actual event (big self-control required here) but still with semen being released - but there is no POIS afterwards. Carry on through and the symptoms will hit. I still think it possible the 'hit' from the orgasm can still be somehow responsible (like the mother of all hangovers) - any thoughts? Or am I way behind the curve on this?I still find that a couple of Nytol help the next night.
I think we should distinguish between three different potential allergens: 1) sperm, 2) ejaculate-semen, 3) pre-ejaculate fluid.So, when you masturbate, while stopping before ejaculation, pre-ejaculate (3) flows through your urethra, but semen (2) does not flow through your urethra.We know that some people develop a POIS episode just from 3, without the occurrence of 1 or 2. And, for instance, in Demo's case, he still has POIS symptoms after getting rid of 1, while 2 and 3 remain for him. Thus, ... we should ... take into account and distinguish the various elements that can potentially be contributing to an auto-immune reaction.
Hi guys. I've been a lurker on this forum for a loooong time, checking in occasionally to see what progress may have been made. Sorry I have not contributed to the forum in that time but work, family, and other things have just kept me too busy. I would tell all the details of my story but it's pretty much been heard before here many times. This thing has plagued my life and is, as you all know, a major curse and a cruel, cruel joke. Like many here, it lasts for a good 5 days with me and hence, I abstain for weeks and even months or else risk my job anything else having to do with being a normal, productive human being. It's a total panic, and I go from intelligent, dynamic superman to a worthless, shriveled shell of a human being who doesn't want to face anyone or anything until the horror passes. Needless to say this is a huge hit with my wife, who loves sex and deserves the best. Thank GOD she's incredibly understanding, never makes me feel bad about it, and we just both want to work to find a solution. But now I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and state for the record that although I greatly appreciate the work that's been done on the study and allergy theory, I'm not buying it for one single minute. I know this thing better than the back of my hand (no pun intended), we've been "friends" now for many years. I just know, intuitively, beyond any "facts" that what I experience is nothing like an allergic reaction. It's more like being impaled by Kryptonite. It's like my entire physical, mental and spiritual beings DIE. It's more than any flu-like symptoms, more than any allergic reaction, and more than anything that can even be described with mere words. This much I know: THERE'S MORE TO IT than what's being concluded here. I wish I could contribute something more but I'm afraid that's it. Thanks for listening...
Quote from: pois_pois_go_away on 31/07/2011 05:48:47Hi guys. I've been a lurker on this forum for a loooong time, checking in occasionally to see what progress may have been made. Sorry I have not contributed to the forum in that time but work, family, and other things have just kept me too busy. I would tell all the details of my story but it's pretty much been heard before here many times. This thing has plagued my life and is, as you all know, a major curse and a cruel, cruel joke. Like many here, it lasts for a good 5 days with me and hence, I abstain for weeks and even months or else risk my job anything else having to do with being a normal, productive human being. It's a total panic, and I go from intelligent, dynamic superman to a worthless, shriveled shell of a human being who doesn't want to face anyone or anything until the horror passes. Needless to say this is a huge hit with my wife, who loves sex and deserves the best. Thank GOD she's incredibly understanding, never makes me feel bad about it, and we just both want to work to find a solution. But now I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and state for the record that although I greatly appreciate the work that's been done on the study and allergy theory, I'm not buying it for one single minute. I know this thing better than the back of my hand (no pun intended), we've been "friends" now for many years. I just know, intuitively, beyond any "facts" that what I experience is nothing like an allergic reaction. It's more like being impaled by Kryptonite. It's like my entire physical, mental and spiritual beings DIE. It's more than any flu-like symptoms, more than any allergic reaction, and more than anything that can even be described with mere words. This much I know: THERE'S MORE TO IT than what's being concluded here. I wish I could contribute something more but I'm afraid that's it. Thanks for listening...I appreciate how you feel - I have similar thoughts - along with the "Why me" questions and theories - all churning in my head - it is a real blight. I too have had doubts about this being an allergy - but hopefully the science will help now - it has to be remembered how severe an allergy can be - it can be a killer for some people - so what we experience is not that severe - it's the reason that is so terrible - avoiding certain foods is possibly much easier than abstinence from sexual activity for which we are so strongly pre-programmed to do. If we got POIS from eating certain foods I am sure we would be more accepting and simply avoid it and get on with life - probably not even discuss it online?The allergy route is one that can be explored by medical science and proved one way or the other - so it is worth doing. Are you in the UK by the way? Want to join me in a visit to the good Dr in London?
Hi, my name is Katie and I spoke with Daveman and Demografx last week about a documentary series we are working on. We’re looking for someone with POIS to participate and share their story on camera. Please contact me if you are interested or have any questions: Katie.sciortino@gmail.com. I look forward to hearing from you.Thanks!
Hi everyone,I have had my first sexual release in about 18 months apart from a few NE's. Straight away i become more irritable, body starting to ache and an itchy, dirty feeling about my body. Does anyone else get this??I have to take antidepressant Paroxetine(Seroxat) for my depression and anxiety but i believe it is caused by sexual release. I have tried so hard to beat this with abstinence but it is virtually impossible. I do not know the answer? After so long without sex you would think i would be cured! I even sometimes have itchy hive type spots on my neck of all places which says it is an allergy of some sort. I just feel so helpless as its such an embarassing condition.
Quote from: Media on 02/08/2011 15:38:51Hi, my name is Katie and I spoke with Daveman and Demografx last week about a documentary series we are working on. We’re looking for someone with POIS to participate and share their story on camera. Please contact me if you are interested or have any questions: Katie.sciortino@gmail.com. I look forward to hearing from you.Thanks!Welcome to the Forum, Katie, and Many Thanks for this wonderful opportunity!demo
Katie -- this sounds really exciting!What specifically are you planning for this documentary series? Is it only about POIS, and if so -- what exactly about POIS are you hoping to focus on?Can you disclose the name of the documentary series? Also, what is your professional title? What production company is it? POIS needs some serious awareness raising, but I'm sure that the men have questions about exactly what it is you're planning. All input would be appreciated.I'm not attempting to speak for the group, but I do believe that it means so much to the everyone that someone is interested in this rare, mostly unknown, MISERABLE disorder.Thank you!!!Quote from: demografx on 02/08/2011 23:48:17Quote from: Media on 02/08/2011 15:38:51Hi, my name is Katie and I spoke with Daveman and Demografx last week about a documentary series we are working on. We’re looking for someone with POIS to participate and share their story on camera. Please contact me if you are interested or have any questions: Katie.sciortino@gmail.com. I look forward to hearing from you.Thanks!Welcome to the Forum, Katie, and Many Thanks for this wonderful opportunity!demo