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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Damien Huxley on 03/11/2012 03:01:31
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Dark matter is small black holes, very small black holes. That's why we don't see it. That's also why we do see the effects.
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If you imagine theses tiny black holes getting created as particle collide right out in the edges of the solar/galaxy system and only where there is so little matter about that they can exist for any length of time and they do.
They are found floating around filling up space between the stars and the galaxies. So many of these tiny black holes, like billions of bubble washing around between the stars surrounding the galaxies.
They are small and almost mass less but like bubbles they combine their masses to produce most of the mass in the universe.
They hold together the large galaxies and cause one of the two colliding galaxies to lose shape becoming clustered galaxy.
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So why wouldn't they block out the light from the stars, well they are very small, almost a Planck mass and light is both waves and particles the chance of a Photon hitting a small black hole is about the same as Sun light(Photons) hitting the atoms (nitrogen 78.08% and oxygen 20.95%) in the air on their way through the atmosphere on a bright sunny day, some do.
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So why don’t they combine and become larger planet eating black holes.
They are spinning fast, so fast that the centrifugal force is almost as strong as the gravity.
Why they spin is more to do with how they are made, when 2 particles collide it’s like a random dart hitting a dart board, it’s rare to get a bulls eye and when one is going almost at the light speed what can expect.
Some do slow down and combine or just hit perfectly together or are bigger because they are made from bigger stuff and they move closer to the Kuiper belt as they weight more than the others micro black holes do.
As they move closer and closer until some larger particle attracts it closer and it suddenly explodes/evaporate, gravity vs strong forces (atomic force).
When a micro black home come apart it explodes/evaporate and releases energy Dark energy the energy that made it!
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It has been shown that small black holes if they existed they would have a very short life, unless there is some way in which they are continuously being created (ala Hoile) they cannot exist.
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You could also assume that the mass we see is a result of lights propagation in space, possibly :) But probably not as it then would have to have a uneven distribution, all as I assume. Aka the idea of a system in where light gain a mass depending on directions. Then you have the idea that radiation in a way is convertible to mass, and if you combine that with the idea of a fuzzy quantum mechanical 'fabric' where (virtual) light constantly is created :)
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My theory disagrees with the Hawking radiation theory, in my theory small black hole will hang around until they run into a bigger object.
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Do you have any mathematics or precise mathematical predictions of your theory that can be tested against reality?
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I'm sorry I don't have any mathematical predictions, so how do we tell if this is fact or fiction.
With the Large Hadron Collider at CERN smashing particles together, if they create a black hole will it evaporate over time and how will it react with other particles, is it affected by gravity?
Look at galaxies that interact, does mass move or has moved changing the dynamics, one becoming unstable as the other has more mass then before? When they are far enough apart for large bodies not to be drawn from one to the other.
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You could also see the dark matter mass move when a star on an highly elliptical orbit in and out of the galaxy, the star would be heavier away from the galaxy because it would attract some of the dark matter as it move away.
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Damien - dark matter is not just non-luminous it is non-interacting with electromagnetic radiation. Whilst decent sized black holes are black (ie the they are not net-radiators) - the small ones do produce hawking radiation at a measureable frequency and rate. Even if you ignore Hawking radiation - which you are saying you do (!!??); you cannot ignore that blackhole interact with incident electromagnetic radiation. Dark matter only interacts with EMR by bending it through the action of gravity - black holes would absorb a decent proportion of the radiation, and this measurably is NOT happening.
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Hi I thought all black holes are affected by hawking radiation?
Can you please explain EMR or a link to it also incident electromagnetic radiation.
Thank you imatfaal
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EMR is electromagnetic radiation which included light please read below.
So why wouldn't they block out the light from the stars, well they are very small, almost a Planck mass and light is both waves and particles the chance of a Photon hitting a small black hole is less then the chance of Sun light(Photons) hitting the atoms (nitrogen 78.08% and oxygen 20.95%) in the air on their way through the atmosphere on a bright sunny day, some do.
Does this answer your response imatfaal?
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Also you are saying someone has measured hawking radiation, can you tell me who? As far as I know no one has ever measured hawking radiation yet?
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EMR is electromagnetic radiation which included light please read below.
So why wouldn't they block out the light from the stars, well they are very small, almost a Planck mass and light is both waves and particles the chance of a Photon hitting a small black hole is less then the chance of Sun light(Photons) hitting the atoms (nitrogen 78.08% and oxygen 20.95%) in the air on their way through the atmosphere on a bright sunny day, some do.
Does this answer your response imatfaal?
No - if there was enough mass to change the rotational path of galaxies (and there is) there would be enough substance to scatter and absorb light; and at present all we see is gravitational effects on light.
Hi I thought all black holes are affected by hawking radiation?
Can you please explain EMR or a link to it also incident electromagnetic radiation.
Thank you imatfaal
They are all Hawking radiators as far as our theories can tell - for your theory to be correct they cannot be; I was merely saying that even if they do not radiate via the Hawking mechanism (which you claimed was didnt apply to your small holes) that there were other problems with your theory. Incident EMR is electromagnetic radiation that hits/passes through the volume of dark matter - I was making it clear I was basically talking about starlight that we see which has passed uninterrupted (sparing grav lensing) through where we believe the dark matter is.
Also you are saying someone has measured hawking radiation, can you tell me who? As far as I know no one has ever measured hawking radiation yet?
My use of the word measurable was perhaps ambiguous - very small black holes have such high amounts of radiation that is a decent frequency that we would be able to measure it if we were close; the large and as far as we know actual black holes are way colder than the cosmic background and so absorb more radiation than they emit (even in deep space) and we would not see them as net radiators even up close.
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Hi Imatfaal, instead of saying "no" you need to give me some proof, can you please send me a link on the subject that shows me what you are trying to explain to me. When I read on Wikipedia about - "black holes with masses less than about 1011 kg (the mass of a small mountain) can evaporate in less than the age of the Universe" and the "The gravitational pull of such a mini black hole would be about 1 g at a distance of 1 meter" and "A black hole with the mass of the Earth would be less than two centimetres (just 0.7 inches) across!!" so my understanding is; a very small black hole would have a Schwarzschild radius less then the size of visible light in all but the x-ray and gamma ray wavelength.
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With respect Damian - you are the one propounding a new theory, thus the onus is on you to provide a bit of proof. We see no reaction between dark matter and light - you are proposing a basis for dark matter that should show interaction ! Whilst black holes are very dense the number required to make up all the unexplained mass means that one could not dismiss their electromagnetic interaction with light.
For your guidance
1. 1011 kg is the mass of a small rock not a small mountain
2. A black hole of 1011kg would evaporate in 80 billioneths of a second
3. That blackhole would be burning at 300 million million million million watts!
The mass of our galaxy is around one thousand billion solar masses - there is 5 and a bit times more dark matter than that; you just cannot replicated that with black holes that exist for a tiniest fraction of a second, shine like nothing else in the universe, and have the only the mass of a small car!
If the dark matter was made up in decent sized blackholes then we would have the problem that it could not be distributed as we know dark-matter is - we can map where the dark matter is, and it is dispersed and filamentary - not clumped in very dense large black holes.
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Hi Imatfaal, When I pasted it from Wikipedia the superscript was lost, this should be 10 power of 11 or 10^11.
I should have check what I wrote.
I am listening to what you have said and I will take that into account, thank you.
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Hi Imatfaal, I'm not talking about black holes the size of a small car or last for tiniest
fraction of a second. My theory is that cosmic-ray collisions out away from stars, planets and dust clouds create ultra small black holes, so small that most don't produce hawking radiation and most do not disintegrate
immediately like their larger small black hole, instead they spin off into the space around the galaxies. They are very light and ultra small but have been created since the beginning of time and are still being create all
the time around every star in every galaxy as cosmic-rays collide and dust particle collisions with cosmic-rays. As galaxy collide and merge they are drawn from one galaxy to another causing destabilising in
galaxies as they move. As super nova explode and spray huge amount of mass out they disturb the
ultra small black holes, causing disturbances in the natural order. These ultra small black hole generally don't have matter falling into them
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Damian - I hate to be blunt but your theory is not based in science and has very little to recommend it. It denies much we believe about black holes, posits gamma-gamma interaction on a huge scale, and what we know about dark matter. It's good imaginative thinking - but not science at present.
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While that sounds good on paper, it won't work if you take the theory of relativity into account. While I don't entirely agree with Einstein, he knew what he was talking about.
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Hi Imatfaal,
So far in our conversations all that's been talked about is the effects of hawk radiation.
Hawking radiation is mathematically correct, but the property of a singularity are still somewhat if a mystery, so even if a antimatter particle does falls into the black hole, what happens inside the singularity we don't know as yet?
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Hi Steelycascade95,
Can you please tell which part of relativity does my theory not take into account?
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Hi Imatfaal,
So far in our conversations all that's been talked about is the effects of hawk radiation.
No - go back and read again; we touched on gravitational effects, interaction with incident emr and other matters
Hawking radiation is mathematically correct, but the property of a singularity are still somewhat if a mystery, so even if a antimatter particle does falls into the black hole, what happens inside the singularity we don't know as yet?
Not somewhat - almost completely! We can know only three things about black hole - mass, angular momentum, and charge; everything else is hidden from us
We know precious little about dark matter - one of the things we do know is that it only interacts with light via gravity. Black holes interact in other ways as well. Until there is more evidence or better ideas that fact alone is enough to scotch your hypothesis
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dark matter is antimatter in another layer of spacetime and is repelling the matter
it cannot be seen because light can only be bent by that layer, not jump between layers
the only way light can move between layers is through a black hole - white hole tunnel
the reason it repells because in the antimatter layer, the time component is negative, relative to the matter layer
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dark matter is antimatter in another layer of spacetime and is repelling the matter
it cannot be seen because light can only be bent by that layer, not jump between layers
the only way light can move between layers is through a black hole - white hole tunnel
the reason it repells because in the antimatter layer, the time component is negative, relative to the matter layer
Theory that black holes have opposite white hole has one very strong weak point- basically dark hole could not grow up in our world, if it'll be flushing away in another dimension.
BTW, creating not needed dimensions is against Ockham's razor rule..
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Much easier explanations of what is Dark Matter and Dark Energy is that Photon has mass > 0.
If you know somebody who has ready simulator of galaxies in computer please let me know his name or contact to him.