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Title: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: Ponderings on 25/09/2017 08:39:50
We normally think of time as moving forwards and backwards, as a line, or possibly just a ray...but as we can only experience time in the "now" as a moment, could it be that time is not a line or a ray but only a point - a singularity of some sort, that all the other dimensions of space some move relative to or through and we experience the movement through this point - or perhaps the rotation of this point, as ongoing yet solitary-momentary time?
What are all the considerations involved in this possibility or non possibility?
:)
Also a possibility - that we are in a "time" black hole, where time is the singularity and all of 3-dimensional space is bound somehow with that singularity as the information spread out over the event horizon?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 25/09/2017 15:59:39
We normally think of time as moving forwards and backwards, as a line, or possibly just a ray...but as we can only experience time in the "now" as a moment, could it be that time is not a line or a ray but only a point - a singularity of some sort, that all the other dimensions of space some move relative to or through and we experience the movement through this point - or perhaps the rotation of this point, as ongoing yet solitary-momentary time?
What are all the considerations involved in this possibility or non possibility?
:)
Also a possibility - that we are in a "time" black hole, where time is the singularity and all of 3-dimensional space is bound somehow with that singularity as the information spread out over the event horizon?
Well, time is an interesting subject that can be discussed in some depth. If we were to define time as a ''singularity'' point, then I suppose we could say that time was any given points measure of change.   My definition of time is: Time is a quantifiable measurement directly proportional to change.
I use a chronological 0 point to explain this and show that the speed of time is infinitely fast.  I.e Your next ''now'' moment is immediately ahead of you.
 
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 10/10/2017 09:59:17
"Time is a physical process."

Though I have read and heard about many conceptions and constructions and speculations of 'Time', I have never had any reason to accept anything other than those five words.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: evan_au on 10/10/2017 10:50:12
The equations for time dilation predict infinite time dilation ratios due to:
- Traveling at the speed of light (in Special Relativity). However, SR also tells us that it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a massive object to the speed of light. So we can't see this singularity in action.
- Crossing the event horizon of a black hole (in General Relativity). This one is potentially observable, on a galactic-mass black hole, so maybe one day this will be observable.

Inside a black hole, our usual notions of time and space get a little twisted. The usual dimensions of space take on the "one-way" characteristic we observe with time, becoming one-way paths to the singularity at the center of the black hole.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_timelike_curve
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 10/10/2017 12:23:00
What are all the considerations involved in this possibility or non possibility?
Though I have read and heard about many conceptions and constructions and speculations of 'Time', I have never had any reason to accept anything other than those five words.
I have chosen "non possibility" for the reason that the only conception of time known to use with certainty is some physical process, three of which are:

Earth's rotation

Earth's orbit

"9,192,631,770 cycles of microwave light absorbed or emitted by the hyperfine transition of cesium-133 atoms in their ground state undisturbed by external fields." (link not provided due to forum guidelines)
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: evan_au on 11/10/2017 11:27:47
To see the language we associate with time in Science, you could start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time#Physical_definition
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 12/10/2017 23:03:29
To see the language we associate with time in Science, you could start here
Who are "we"?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 15/10/2017 20:42:09
Who are "we"?
To see the language we associate with time in Science, you could start here:
From the book Essays in Science, published 1934, by Albert Einstein, Clerk Maxwell's Influence On The Evolution Of The Idea Of Physical Reality, page 45:
 
    The last and most successful creation of theoretical 
physics, namely quantum-mechanics differs fundamentally
from both the schemes which we will for the sake of
brevity call the Newtownian and the Maxwellian. For the
quantities which figure in its laws, make no claim to
physical reality itself, but only the probabilities
of the occurence of the physical reality that we have in view.
Dirac, to whom, in my opinion we owe the most logically
complete exposition of this theory, rightly points out that it
would probably be difficult, for example, to give a theoretical
despcription of a photon such as would give enough information
to enable one to decide whether it will pass a polarizer
placed (obliquely) in its way or not.
     I am still inclined to the view that physicists will not
in the long run content themselves with that sort of indirect
description of the real, even if the theory can eventually
be adapted to the postulate of general relativity in a
satisfactory manner. We shall then, I feel sure, have to return
to the attempt to carry out the program which may properly be
described as the Maxwellian--nameley, the description of
physical reality in terms of fields which satisfy partial
differential equations without singularities.

could it be that time is not a line or a ray but only a point - a singularity of some sort, that all the other dimensions of space some move relative to or through and we experience the movement through this point - or perhaps the rotation of this point, as ongoing yet solitary-momentary time?

I'll pose the question to you: with or without singularities?
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I am he
As you are he
As you are me
And we are all together

- John Lennon, The Walrus
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 18/10/2017 02:33:17
To see the language we associate with time in Science, you could start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time#Physical_definition That's appropriate "non-active"
Let's get one thing straight. I consider a link to wikee-pee-D-uh to be an insult.

Would anyone care to address the question of "singularity"? Singular or plural.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: GoC on 31/12/2017 14:29:33
Time is generally described as timing rather than describing the cause of time. Fundamental energy c is the cause of motion and the electron flow. The electron flow and photon propagation through the vacuum of space are confounded in energy c. Physical and light clocks change by the same amount when going through different frames. This is proof that there is an underling process controlling both equally. The difference in timing between frames is due to density of energy c. The center of mass is where energy is the least dense. In a black hole there is no energy so there is no time within a black hole. There is only kinetic energy 100% in a black hole. Energy is extremely dilated by the inverse square law causing mass to stretch when entering a black hole. Out in space between galaxies energy has the greatest density and clocks tick rate is the greatest because the energy particles are closest. Mass dilates energy by causing the energy to move electrons. The electrons have to travel further in dilated space. c is the reason for relativity and electrons move at the speed of light but in a helix through energy. This probably has to do with why life was created as a helix.

Our eyes view our environment at about 16 frames per second. This gives us a fluid view of our environment and yet if something moved in and out of our view in 1/32 of a second we would not even see it. If our synapsis fired 5 times as fast we would view a blur of an object. Time as we detect it biologically is also based on c limits same as a physical clock. Children's synapsis fire faster than adults so they experience time more than adults. In other words it is a longer experience to get somewhere for children than adults but all relative to c.

It's unlikely time is a singularity but just the opposite being energy c.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 31/12/2017 22:54:34
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In a black hole there is no energy so there is no time within a black hole. There is only kinetic energy 100% in a black hole. Energy is extremely dilated by the inverse square law causing mass to stretch when entering a black hole. Out in space between galaxies energy has the greatest density and clocks tick rate is the greatest because the energy particles are closest. Mass dilates energy by causing the energy to move electrons.
There is no time without some physical process. Is there time without matter? I think not: what is the object of discussion (subject) when there is no matter? Further, what would the temporal qualities of inert matter?

Let's get to the point, using a recent cosmological news item (livescience.com (https://www.livescience.com/53694-sound-of-merging-black-holes.html): at the link, we learn that two black holes were in a merge-spiral then became one or something other that two black holes, that is certain. We can assert positively that the event occurred over some time period, known or unknown, it doesn't "matter"--what's relevant is that it event occurred. On what basis does one assert or speculate that there is no time within a black hole when two actual, factual black holes spent some period of TIME spiraling ever closer and to then merge, the entire event taking ____ units of "Time" (duration)?

I'll await a reply...from someone, anyone.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?I
Post by: opportunity on 02/02/2018 11:22:16
We normally think of time as moving forwards and backwards, as a line, or possibly just a ray...but as we can only experience time in the "now" as a moment, could it be that time is not a line or a ray but only a point - a singularity of some sort, that all the other dimensions of space some move relative to or through and we experience the movement through this point - or perhaps the rotation of this point, as ongoing yet solitary-momentary time?What are all the considerations involved in this possibility or non possibility?

I think your consideration has merit. As a singularity, you're saying time "now" could mathematically equate to the value of "1".

Check my post in this theory section "golden ratio and time" where I use time "now" as a singularity.

I was going through all the theories posted in this theory section, and yours along with another really made me stop and think how there are so many ways to consider a similar question it seems we're asking. Your idea of time being the ultimate singularity around which space is modified and thus gives the appearance of flux I think is a good one. I'd be interested to know if that's along the lines of your idea.

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 04/02/2018 13:27:34
I think your consideration has merit. As a singularity, you're saying time "now" could mathematically equate to the value of "1"
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What is the duration of a moment in 'Time'? (Given: the answer will be the decimal-portion of 0.______..., where the unit is Second.) In other words, some fraction of a second.

If anyone can answer that, then, well, that person would get the keys to the Kingdom (presuming there be more than one).
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 04/02/2018 13:53:30
Time is a quantifiable measurement directly proportional to a change of entropy . 
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 04/02/2018 13:54:59
I think your consideration has merit. As a singularity, you're saying time "now" could mathematically equate to the value of "1"
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What is the duration of a moment in 'Time'? (Given: the answer will be the decimal-portion of 0.______..., where the unit is Second.) In other words, some fraction of a second.

If anyone can answer that, then, well, that person would get the keys to the Kingdom (presuming there be more than one).
absolute time t=Δ→0
It is a continuous constant

relativistic time t=ΔS which is a continuous variable.

t=1.s is a discrete packet of time, a history.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 04/02/2018 14:06:11
I drew you time to show you in simple form.

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Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 04/02/2018 23:11:39
... is a continuous variable.
Do you want to reconsider your "is a" equivalence? The left-most part is omitted for clarity.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 05/02/2018 01:36:04
I think your consideration has merit. As a singularity, you're saying time "now" could mathematically equate to the value of "1"
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What is the duration of a moment in 'Time'? (Given: the answer will be the decimal-portion of 0.______..., where the unit is Second.) In other words, some fraction of a second.

If anyone can answer that, then, well, that person would get the keys to the Kingdom (presuming there be more than one).

You're absolutely right. To talk about time as a singularity as a "moment" can only work talking about the parameters within which that singularity exists, like in between time-before and time-after, both of which would represent a "relativity" cradling the time-now singularity....somehow.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: imetheman on 05/02/2018 02:04:46
The subject of this topic is covered by this essay which I wrote tonight.   'The atomic elements exist in Planck shells'.

 A Planck shell is a perfect sphere with a diameter which is naturally determined by the length of the radius from any point on the surface of the sphere to the singularity which 'exists' at the centre. [The singularity represents zero in space and time].

The Planck shells which radiate outward from the static singularity are notional and represent the potentiality only for a particle of matter to exist at a specific point in space and time.

Planck spheres can only form in incremental shells of specific diameters.   The radiated notional diameter of any given Planck shell increases by 2 Planck lengths for every 1 Planck second.   On any given radius of a Planck shell, this rate of expansion over time is equal to 1 Planck length of distance per. 1 Planck second.

Time and space [and therefore physical reality] can only exist when the orbital lateral velocity [which determines the relative Planck second]  is synchronous with a distance travelled of 1 Planck length. This velocity determines the relative value of the PS relative to the PL constant and of course the speed of light.

The speed of light can be redefined as representing the shortest period of time that information can be transferred between any 2 given points in 4 dimensional space-time.

The limitation in the transfer of information imposed  by the Planck constant only applies to the radial velocity of the expansion of the synchronous Planck shell pulses which emanates from the singularity.

The creation of the planck shell diameters of specific radial lengths  which represent the sub atomic internal structures of the atoms of the elements, take specific periods of time to materialise as a solid particle in 3-D space.

The delay in the radial transfer of information from the centre singularity to any point on the surface of the sphere [as imposed by the Planck second SOL limitation] creates a drag on the creation of the elements at every point in 4- D space-time.

An atom of any of the elements exists as solid object in 3-D space for a period of time relative to the PS [relative to the particular orbital velocity]. This period of time in which the particle can be regarded as a solid object having mass and weight existing in a solid 3-D framework  represents the particular position of the wavelength of the element in the EM spectrum.


 It represents the relative speed of light - gravitational force- which applies to the element at that particular Planck sphere radius which is applicable to that element.  The sphere diameter of any given Planck shell represents the wavelength of the element relative to the wavelength of light.

The particular Planck shell at  which an atom forms determines the period of time that an atom exists as a solid object. Elements which are formed at larger diameter spheres, will be heavier than those which form at smaller diameter. The 1 PS degree of drag caused by the delay in transferring information on the radius of any given planck sphere to the next largest one up, is the source of the mass, rest weight and inertia which every solid particle of matter possesses.       

Every time that a particle of matter is moved [by an external 2nd force] from a state of equilibrium within a static fixed 3-D framework, a new  particle of matter is created at a new coordinate. This new coordinate has no place in the fixed 3-D framework of the universe in which it was created.

The new coordinate represents a singularity. The singularity represents the centre point of the creation of a new physical universe.  The new universe exists in a region of space on the surface of a sphere which is    1 Planck length in diameter.  Since no information can be known of anything which occurs within this 1PL diameter sphere due to the limitation of the Planck constant, a singularity cannot exist 'within' the dimensional confines or borders of another  physical universe.

The particular relative velocity of the speed of light for any given new universe [ ie, the value of the PS] is entirely determined by the relative local velocity of the speed of light which existed when the original event/singularity was created ie, the source of the graviton.

 The spin and angular momentum which existed at the origin location of the event creates a pulse of the warping and bending of space and time which occurred at the moment that the event singularity was created, is entirely transferred to the new coordinate on the pulse of gravity which radiates out from the singularity.

The synchronicity of space and time which occurs in incremental pulses of 1 Planck length constant with 1 relative Planck second of time, represents the quantisation of time space and gravity.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: Colin2B on 05/02/2018 09:33:12
What is the duration of a moment in 'Time'? (Given: the answer will be the decimal-portion of 0.______..., where the unit is Second.) In other words, some fraction of a second.
absolute time t=Δ→0
It is a continuous constant
Strangely the Box is pretty close.
The question you are trying to answer is similar to asking where am i on a distance line.  A point on a line is defined as having zero width. If it has any value eg 0.000....1 then it is no longer a point but a range.
A singularity is a mathematical term that refers to a point at which a mathematical object is undefined, either because it is infinite or degenerate. A simple example is the function 1/x. This function has a singularity at x = 0 because the fraction 1/0 is undefined.
Individual ‘moments’ of distance or time are points having 0 width. If you wish to redefine those points as being a range that’s up to you.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 06/02/2018 02:27:27
You're absolutely right. To talk about time as a singularity as a "moment" can only work talking about the parameters within which that singularity exists, like in between time-before and time-after, both of which would represent a "relativity" cradling the time-now singularity....somehow.
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You lost me after the first three words. (Two and five-sevenths of a word, to be precise--this being a forum for scientists.)
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 06/02/2018 06:13:50
You're absolutely right. To talk about time as a singularity as a "moment" can only work talking about the parameters within which that singularity exists, like in between time-before and time-after, both of which would represent a "relativity" cradling the time-now singularity....somehow.
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You lost me after the first three words. (Two and five-sevenths of a word, to be precise--this being a forum for scientists.)

Apologies, I think I can explain.

I completely agreed with your closing comment ( “If anyone can answer that, then, well, that person would get the keys to the Kingdom (presuming there be more than one).”  ) about defining the value for a moment in time to an exact decimal point, that implausibility (keys to the kingdom, that sort of thing), and then went on to propose another way of considering the idea of a time-singularity (moment), as arbitrarily defining a mathematical value of “time-now =1” in between two parameters of “time-before” and “time-after” (and then I said “somehow”). I was agreeing with your closing statement, which I thought was what you were emphasising, while I then offered another possibility for a time-singularity (a “somehow”, though); I wasn’t prepared to make an exact new proposal for a time-singularity definition in that post at that time, as I consider it your post and thinking you might have a solution before I rushed in with one. 

Once again apologies for not making that clearer. Just wondering therefore if you have another way of approaching the time-singularity issue? It’s a hard one given the Planck-scale space-time singularity dogma.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 06/02/2018 13:04:35
What is the duration of a moment in 'Time'? (Given: the answer will be the decimal-portion of 0.______..., where the unit is Second.) In other words, some fraction of a second.
absolute time t=Δ→0
It is a continuous constant
Strangely the Box is pretty close.
The question you are trying to answer is similar to asking where am i on a distance line.  A point on a line is defined as having zero width. If it has any value eg 0.000....1 then it is no longer a point but a range.
A singularity is a mathematical term that refers to a point at which a mathematical object is undefined, either because it is infinite or degenerate. A simple example is the function 1/x. This function has a singularity at x = 0 because the fraction 1/0 is undefined.
Individual ‘moments’ of distance or time are points having 0 width. If you wish to redefine those points as being a range that’s up to you.
You give them an answer and they ignore it lol. 

0+0=1x is the smallest measurement.   0 being a 0 point, by specifying +0  we are specifying there is 2 , 0 points .

So 0 point plus a 0 point is a really really small dimension of 1x and describes a continuous change.

So I suppose we can say Δt=0+0  which is also about the time is takes for the second photon of a stream to arrive at object or your eyes.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 08/02/2018 11:58:43
What is the duration of a moment in 'Time'? (Given: the answer will be the decimal-portion of 0.______..., where the unit is Second.) In other words, some fraction of a second.
absolute time t=Δ→0
It is a continuous constant
Strangely the Box is pretty close.
The question you are trying to answer is similar to asking where am i on a distance line.  A point on a line is defined as having zero width. If it has any value eg 0.000....1 then it is no longer a point but a range.
A singularity is a mathematical term that refers to a point at which a mathematical object is undefined, either because it is infinite or degenerate. A simple example is the function 1/x. This function has a singularity at x = 0 because the fraction 1/0 is undefined.
Individual ‘moments’ of distance or time are points having 0 width. If you wish to redefine those points as being a range that’s up to you.
You give them an answer and they ignore it lol. 

0+0=1x is the smallest measurement.   0 being a 0 point, by specifying +0  we are specifying there is 2 , 0 points .

So 0 point plus a 0 point is a really really small dimension of 1x and describes a continuous change.

So I suppose we can say Δt=0+0  which is also about the time is takes for the second photon of a stream to arrive at object or your eyes.



...it collapses.

3-d space....it makes sense.

It could-be 50-d space but without the algorithms of Pythagoras it is 3-d.

Stuff seems to happen as we observe between different points in space.

The big question is how each space reference of "event" is warranted as an event......"enter the idea of time, a type of cause and effect of each reference of space and its own peculiarity effecting the other".

Is it because of a fundamental feature of the idea of cause and effect, an arrow of time for each spatial reference?


Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 08/02/2018 13:41:01
What is the duration of a moment in 'Time'? (Given: the answer will be the decimal-portion of 0.______..., where the unit is Second.) In other words, some fraction of a second.
absolute time t=Δ→0
It is a continuous constant
Strangely the Box is pretty close.
The question you are trying to answer is similar to asking where am i on a distance line.  A point on a line is defined as having zero width. If it has any value eg 0.000....1 then it is no longer a point but a range.
A singularity is a mathematical term that refers to a point at which a mathematical object is undefined, either because it is infinite or degenerate. A simple example is the function 1/x. This function has a singularity at x = 0 because the fraction 1/0 is undefined.
Individual ‘moments’ of distance or time are points having 0 width. If you wish to redefine those points as being a range that’s up to you.
You give them an answer and they ignore it lol. 

0+0=1x is the smallest measurement.   0 being a 0 point, by specifying +0  we are specifying there is 2 , 0 points .

So 0 point plus a 0 point is a really really small dimension of 1x and describes a continuous change.

So I suppose we can say Δt=0+0  which is also about the time is takes for the second photon of a stream to arrive at object or your eyes.



...it collapses.

3-d space....it makes sense.

It could-be 50-d space but without the algorithms of Pythagoras it is 3-d.

Stuff seems to happen as we observe between different points in space.

The big question is how each space reference of "event" is warranted as an event......"enter the idea of time, a type of cause and effect of each reference of space and its own peculiarity effecting the other".

Is it because of a fundamental feature of the idea of cause and effect, an arrow of time for each spatial reference?



There is no actual arrow of time, there is only an arrow of history and an arrow of past geometrical position and future geometrical position.   ←0     You cannot displace 0 without creating a directly and proportional past, however this is relative timing and not relative time which is a the rate of entropy change   Δt=ΔS

Ageing and decay has a rate for each observer/object,  this rate and process is time itself and a physical process.   The time can slow down or speed up depending on the entropy state.

Consider that in an inertia reference frame, your entropy is pretty much a steady state,  then consider if you was to travel towards the sun and consider the way your entropy changes while you are decaying fast.

Speed and motion have nothing to do with real time dilation, direction does and field density.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 08/02/2018 14:08:57
You give them an answer and they ignore it lol. 
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I am NOT ignoring anything, I am in the middle of composing my reply, which is near completion. While I'm doing that, I will determine whether this forum has an "ignore" or "block" feature.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?It took me 3 days I look back and see a
Post by: opportunity on 08/02/2018 14:23:36
I'm ok with answers days after. These are big subjects and take thought. I look back on one of my answers and know it took days to put simply. This is a big field. The idea of responding to a 3-d multi-time vector had me 48hrs....given that 3-d space is and should be a separate vector to the behaviour of a just as absolute manifold of time.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 08/02/2018 14:34:07
I'm ok with answers days after. These are big subjects and take thought. I look back on one of my answers and know it took days to put simply. This is a big field.
Time is not a big field lol, it is quite simple.   

It does not take a genius to know that things change of a result of time.   It does not take a genius to investigate what time actually is .   
Time is probably the easiest part of physics to learn.   
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 08/02/2018 14:37:18
Once again apologies for not making that clearer. Just wondering therefore if you have another way of approaching the time-singularity issue? It’s a hard one given the Planck-scale space-time singularity dogma.
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

I can assure you that any and all of the things with which you expressed agreement are based upon the one-and-only conception of 'Time' I accept, which is based upon one-and-only-one observation of our conception of it, that it is a physical process; that 'Time' does not exist, or--possibly better, is not relevant, without Matter in motion, or Matter that is not inert. The physical process may be the one employed in the "atomic clock" or Earth revolving around Sun.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 08/02/2018 14:37:34
You give them an answer and they ignore it lol. 
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I am NOT ignoring anything, I am in the middle of composing my reply, which is near completion. While I'm doing that, I will determine whether this forum has an "ignore" or "block" feature.
Do not like constructive criticism?    You made a post after Colin's post, therefore you made a reply to opportunity  ignoring the moderators content of his post. 
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 08/02/2018 14:52:27
Time is matter, a quantifiable measurement directly proportional to change.

Matter is the time in space-time.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 08/02/2018 19:58:16
Do not like constructive criticism?    You made a post after Colin's post, therefore you made a reply to opportunity  ignoring the moderators content of his post. 
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Do not read (comprehend) well? I've told you what I am doing with respect to replies. There is no there to your therefore, therefore, you are incorrect. I will now reveal another part of my plan:I am going to post a quote that is relevant to some content in this thread in the next few hours; it was intended for the "main" post, but I am, now, responding to gratuitous criticism. You can put that into your pipe and get good use out if it.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 08/02/2018 20:55:03
a quote that is relevant to some content in this thread
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This quote is offered for reasons obvious--a reckless conclusion, yes.

Carl C. Jung, from The Undiscovered Self, 1957, 1958, translated and revised by R.F.C. Hull, pages 31:
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Quote from: Carl C. Jung
............................................................... society has
an indisputable right to protect itelf against arrant subjectiv-
ism, but, in so far as society is itself composed of de-individual-
ized human beings, it is completely at the mercy of ruthless
individualists. Let it band together into groups and organiza-
tions as much as it likes--it is just this banding together and the
resultant extinction of the individual personality that makes it
succumb so readily to a dictator. A million zeros together
do not, unfortunately add up to one. ...
(Bold is mine.)
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 09/02/2018 14:07:03
Do not like constructive criticism?    You made a post after Colin's post, therefore you made a reply to opportunity  ignoring the moderators content of his post. 
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Do not read (comprehend) well? I've told you what I am doing with respect to replies. There is no there to your therefore, therefore, you are incorrect. I will now reveal another part of my plan:I am going to post a quote that is relevant to some content in this thread in the next few hours; it was intended for the "main" post, but I am, now, responding to gratuitous criticism. You can put that into your pipe and get good use out if it.
Your question of does time exist had been answered , seems to be the point you have completely ignored.   Time exists is the answer. 

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 09/02/2018 14:25:08
For every point in space as we perceive it, time is shape of change. How do we know exactly if we are moving ahead in time? Where's a start point of time and an end point to qualify that? Sounds stupid, but its not. Can we assume our ability to recall things? Its like we are wired with temporal certainty of analysis.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 09/02/2018 14:34:48
For every point in space as we perceive it, time is shape of change. How do we know exactly if we are moving ahead in time? Where's a start point of time and an end point to qualify that? Sounds stupid, but its not. Can we assume our ability to recall things?
Every point in space is timeless and without time, it is absolute and arbitrary.    Time begins at a point in space when the point space gains dimensions and mass.    Time begins for you from moment you are conceived, relative to you, when you are dead and decayed , time stops.

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: Colin2B on 09/02/2018 22:26:27
How do we know exactly if we are moving ahead in time?
Well, I’ve always thought we must be moving backward through time. Consider a train, you are on a backwards facing seat, you can see where you are and where you’ve been, but not where you are going.  ;)
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 10/02/2018 01:54:41
For every point in space as we perceive it, time is shape of change. How do we know exactly if we are moving ahead in time? Where's a start point of time and an end point to qualify that? Sounds stupid, but its not. Can we assume our ability to recall things?
Every point in space is timeless and without time, it is absolute and arbitrary.    Time begins at a point in space when the point space gains dimensions and mass.    Time begins for you from moment you are conceived, relative to you, when you are dead and decayed , time stops.

I agree. I think what I was presenting was a case for how we can set that standard for time mathematically, "actually" using an algorithm that defines time-before and time-after. We do with linear algebra, and yes that's a very simple and tested way to do that. On the quantum scale though things get a bit tricky.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: Colin2B on 10/02/2018 11:10:57
how we can set that standard for time mathematically, "actually" using an algorithm that defines time-before and time-after. We do with linear algebra, and yes that's a very simple and tested way to do that. On the quantum scale though things get a bit tricky.
Intersting idea, but does it have to be all quantum scale?
Einstien used energy/mometum to modify spacetime such that increase in mass/energy slows time processes, (but does not offer a causation) so that should be part of the before after equation. The problem is what other elements - variable and constant - would you consider for your algorithm.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 10/02/2018 14:53:32
For every point in space as we perceive it, time is shape of change. How do we know exactly if we are moving ahead in time? Where's a start point of time and an end point to qualify that? Sounds stupid, but its not. Can we assume our ability to recall things?
Every point in space is timeless and without time, it is absolute and arbitrary.    Time begins at a point in space when the point space gains dimensions and mass.    Time begins for you from moment you are conceived, relative to you, when you are dead and decayed , time stops.

I agree. I think what I was presenting was a case for how we can set that standard for time mathematically, "actually" using an algorithm that defines time-before and time-after. We do with linear algebra, and yes that's a very simple and tested way to do that. On the quantum scale though things get a bit tricky.


Mathematically,  0+0=1 =  ←0    This defines two zero points adjoined and represent the direction.  A bit abstract at this time, I am working on learning linear algebra to perfect the maths I already have abstracted. 

Maybe the abstract  can be viewed as being real numbers. 0 being a point space, and you can't displace point space without immediately creating a vector length . 


Newton believed in absolute time could only be explained in math.

Δt = 0+0=1   is basic, but I am sure that is absolute .

And I am pretty sure that relativistic time can be expressed

ΔS=Δt    where entropy S , the many ways a system can change,  dictates the amount of time an object has .

Look at it this way, imagine travelling towards the Sun, your life expectancy will start to drop considerably, the obvious reason that you will burn up the closer you get and the denser the field. 

So your clock is speeding up considerably and we can truly state that a change in your entropy is the cause of your change in time.   

added - we can abstract the universe like this


0.........................Δt...........................0


Δt representing the physical time object in an empty vector space or matrix.

In Matrix abstract form

00000000
00000000
000Δt000
00000000
00000000







Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: scherado on 12/02/2018 21:32:41
Quote from: scherado on 08/02/2018 19:58:16

    Quote from: Thebox on 08/02/2018 14:37:34

        Do not like constructive criticism?    You made a post after Colin's post, therefore you made a reply to opportunity  ignoring the moderators content of his post. 

    .
    Do not read (comprehend) well? I've told you what I am doing with respect to replies. There is no there to your therefore, therefore, you are incorrect. I will now reveal another part of my plan:I am going to post a quote that is relevant to some content in this thread in the next few hours; it was intended for the "main" post, but I am, now, responding to gratuitous criticism. You can put that into your pipe and get good use out if it.

Your question of does time exist had been answered , seems to be the point you have completely ignored.   Time exists is the answer. 
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I could not find me asking "does time exist".. I quote myself:
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What is the duration of a moment in 'Time'? (Given: the answer will be the decimal-portion of 0.______..., where the unit is Second.) In other words, some fraction of a second.
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I hereby, forevermore change the question to:

What is the duration of a "moment?"

Yet, this is placing the cart before the horse,

In what units?-?-?-?

My position is that 'Time' is inextricably linked to Matter that is involved in some physical process. One example is the physical process employed in the so-called "atomic clock," ("9,192,631,770 cycles of microwave light absorbed or emitted by the hyperfine transition of cesium-133 atoms in their ground state undisturbed by external fields."); another example is Earth's revolution around (the) Sun; the other, Earth's period of rotation.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 08:43:12
how we can set that standard for time mathematically, "actually" using an algorithm that defines time-before and time-after. We do with linear algebra, and yes that's a very simple and tested way to do that. On the quantum scale though things get a bit tricky.
Intersting idea, but does it have to be all quantum scale?
Einstien used energy/mometum to modify spacetime such that increase in mass/energy slows time processes, (but does not offer a causation) so that should be part of the before after equation. The problem is what other elements - variable and constant - would you consider for your algorithm.


Hi Colin, apologies for not replying sooner owing to being out of town.

The way I approached the algorithm was to be as basic as possible with the following considerations:

-   Time “now” was considered as a value of “1”, as a reference marker (tN = 1), which pegs the rate of time as a constant.
-   Associated to tN would be time-before (tB), and time-after (tA).

I then suggested that tA – tB = tN (1), which keeps the arrow of time intact, making the value of tA greater than tB.

Further to this, I suggested that as the future is relatively unknown, and that tN ≠ tA, that therefore tA must be a factor of tB (not a multiple, yet a factor of tB with tB), and thus most simply as tB².

I thus proposed tB² – tB = 1.

This then derived two values of tB as the golden ratio.

I wasn’t immediately looking to plug in ideas of entropy, mass, momentum, and so on, just yet. My next step was to somehow tag 3-d space with this new algorithm for time. It’s in my paper, first few pages of section 2, please see the relevant post in the “new theories” section (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=72250.0).

To answer your question, the ideas relevant to relativity began to develop after explaining how time could be tagged with (different) coordinates of 3-d space. The most basic feature that became apparent in using tN as 1 was that time would run along a spherical wave-front in space, and this implied the need for features of the axes of time to concur with a value of π along an incremental ruler of “1” for each step of a hypothetical time-front. In developing that wave-function, “errors” presented themselves in not properly fitting the value for π, which then proposed inherent flaws in each wave-function for time, that each spatial reference for the time-algorithm would need to resolve somehow through quantum wave-function “building” with a variety of other references of 3-d space. This then lead to a neat explanation for the uncertainty principle for light, together with the idea of time being associated to “energy” in the new developed explanation, and then how mass could be associated to this upon further quantum wave-function development (takes a few pages to explain, but I’ll leave it to the post I made in the new theories section).
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: Colin2B on 13/02/2018 09:29:28
@opportunity thanks, I’ll have a read through + your link.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 11:59:22
how we can set that standard for time mathematically, "actually" using an algorithm that defines time-before and time-after. We do with linear algebra, and yes that's a very simple and tested way to do that. On the quantum scale though things get a bit tricky.
Intersting idea, but does it have to be all quantum scale?
Einstien used energy/mometum to modify spacetime such that increase in mass/energy slows time processes, (but does not offer a causation) so that should be part of the before after equation. The problem is what other elements - variable and constant - would you consider for your algorithm.


Hi Colin, apologies for not replying sooner owing to being out of town.

The way I approached the algorithm was to be as basic as possible with the following considerations:

-   Time “now” was considered as a value of “1”, as a reference marker (tN = 1), which pegs the rate of time as a constant.
-   Associated to tN would be time-before (tB), and time-after (tA).

I then suggested that tA – tB = tN (1), which keeps the arrow of time intact, making the value of tA greater than tB.

Further to this, I suggested that as the future is relatively unknown, and that tN ≠ tA, that therefore tA must be a factor of tB (not a multiple, yet a factor of tB with tB), and thus most simply as tB².

I thus proposed tB² – tB = 1.

This then derived two values of tB as the golden ratio.

I wasn’t immediately looking to plug in ideas of entropy, mass, momentum, and so on, just yet. My next step was to somehow tag 3-d space with this new algorithm for time. It’s in my paper, first few pages of section 2, please see the relevant post in the “new theories” section (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=72250.0).

To answer your question, the ideas relevant to relativity began to develop after explaining how time could be tagged with (different) coordinates of 3-d space. The most basic feature that became apparent in using tN as 1 was that time would run along a spherical wave-front in space, and this implied the need for features of the axes of time to concur with a value of π along an incremental ruler of “1” for each step of a hypothetical time-front. In developing that wave-function, “errors” presented themselves in not properly fitting the value for π, which then proposed inherent flaws in each wave-function for time, that each spatial reference for the time-algorithm would need to resolve somehow through quantum wave-function “building” with a variety of other references of 3-d space. This then lead to a neat explanation for the uncertainty principle for light, together with the idea of time being associated to “energy” in the new developed explanation, and then how mass could be associated to this upon further quantum wave-function development (takes a few pages to explain, but I’ll leave it to the post I made in the new theories section).


Absolute time is constant  and relativistic time Δ matter = Δ time
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 13:24:17
Are you sure its as simple as that?

I understand you're point, yet if you were to take your a-priori from another aspect, "time" could influence how matter behaves based on how "time" forces its own agenda as opposed to space through a new "way" of consdering "time"? It sounds wonky, yet, it is a matter of perspective, and I do see yours.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 13:42:21
Are you sure its as simple as that?

I understand you're point, yet if you were to take your a-priori from another aspect, "time" could influence how matter behaves based on how "time" forces its own agenda as opposed to space through a new "way" of consdering "time"? It sounds wonky, yet, it is a matter of perspective, and I do see yours.

I am sure it is that simple.  Time does not exist without matter because space cannot age , it has no mechanism. 

Try considering it this way , Mercury ages less than the Earth because a tomato in the window decays faster than the tomato in the fridge.  :)

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 13:48:43
The latter point is your point.

I agree, space has not only agelessness, it is given age by virtue of what mass is playing it by virtue of something. What "something" though?

Is it mass or time?

Time trying to resolve itself, or space......what do you think should be examined more?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 13:52:30
Explaining simultaneity is quite easy, this completes the explanation of time.

t ≠ t'   because r1  ≠  r2  from the electromagnetic radiation source,   a consequence directly proportional to the inverse is that the further body away is situated in less field density, so experiences a slower rate of time.   ΔS  =  Δt where S is entropy.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 13:55:14
sorry, you posted as I was replying. This was my reply:


Time trying to resolve itself, or space......what do you think should be examined more?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 13:56:38
why would space resolve itself if not for the idea of time?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 14:01:25
why would space resolve itself if not for the idea of time?
I am not sure I understand your question correctly, could you emphasise please?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 14:11:20
Well, we have space and time.

Either space is responsible for mass.

Or, time is responsible for mass.

Space is space. Time seems to be the idea that makes ideas in space come to life.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 14:29:45
Well, we have space and time.

Either space is responsible for mass.

Or, time is responsible for mass.
Matter = time

I will try to explain more although I am giving away info I could put in a book.

When mass manifests at any given point of space, time has begun for that mass.   The time of the mass existence has nothing to do with space, acceleration or speed.  The frequency of time for the mass is dependent to field position   
and field density.   In example, mass life expectancy manifesting r=1m from the sun , is practically t=0, where if the same mass manifested r=1ly from the sun , it will have a longer life expectancy. 
The amount of life and rate of time being defined by field density.  Mass having a frequency of input and output electromagnetic radiation. 
Also though to maybe understand this, I would need to explain the big bang, in doing this I would use a 0*0*0 matrix




The big bang states in the beginning there was nothing,  not even space.   The Universe was then created in a split second .   

Firstly the 0 matrix cannot expand into nothing.   

Secondly it is limitation in their thinking,   in the beginning there was a void, this void is the thinking by not knowing. 

They then suggest in a split second the universe was created, you know this one ''let there be light''.   

Light showed an observable universe in their minds at a split second.

It may sound a bit confusing.

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 14:35:51
I will try to explain more although I am giving away info I could put in a book.

My book is going nowhere: http://vixra.org/abs/1801.0368

I'm upset by the idea of a hologrpahic universe. No one will like that.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 14:42:46
I will try to explain more although I am giving away info I could put in a book.

My book is going nowhere: http://vixra.org/abs/1801.0368

I'm upset by the idea of a hologrpahic universe. No one will like that.

The Universe is not holographic objectively, for a hologram would need space to exist in , the space would prove the Universe existed beyond the illusion of the holograph.  In other words , even if we were all holograms (which we are definitely not), there would be an exterior to the interior.

I have glanced your work from your link and will read more later, but why use the word : algorithm

 
Quote
the golden ratio algorithm effecting a unified theory of time  and space,


What does that even mean?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 14:47:51
I'm cautious about how planets and stars are sold as images to the general public without stating that the images are Disneyland images. I knew that though many years pre-animation sales-pitch.

It's better to know whats real and whats not.

We either know what we are actually seeing or we don't. Bigger is how we can predict variations in observations pre-research with better theory.


The "golen-ratio" thing....? Even to me it's just a feature, not the hard theory.

Anything the public sees is not hard data but animated. Why? Whhhhy? Who's you're favorite cartoon character?

The planets are easily justified, but the stars and the images we given are something else.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 15:02:15
I'm cautious about how planets and stars are sold as images to the general public without stating that the images are Disneyland images. I knew that though many years pre-animation sales-pitch.

It's better to know whats real and whats not.

We either know what we are actually seeing or we don't. Bigger is how we can predict variations in observations pre-research with better theory.


The "golen-ratio" thing....? Even to me it's just a feature, not the hard theory.

Anything the public sees is not hard data but animated. Why? Whhhhy? Who's you're favorite cartoon character?


Its not animated , what we see is real, we can measure it with a tape measure to be in its exact location.    Animations don't feel.   

Write a paper for this model if you want a winning paper, I am too lazy write a paper because I can explain things in a single sentence or  a diagram , this is real time : see it here first .

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I understand Physical time better than science understand Physical time.   I understand their own work better than they do.





Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 15:03:55
Ohhh, I have just worked why space-time affects time.   
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 15:06:16
Ok, with the WEBB telescope, they're using a new adaptive lens, because they don't want any recalibration. Like, right.....you want to focus if you're not sure what you're looking for.

This is not conspiracy theory, this is not knowing what the nature of the light we're seeing from the stars "could" be beyond big-bang theory.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 15:09:54
Ok, with the WEBB telescope, they're using a new adaptive lens, because they don't want any recalibration. Like, right.....you want to focus if you're not sure what you're looking for.

This is not conspiracy theory, this is not knowing what the nature of the light we're seeing from the stars "could" be beyond big-bang theory.
Sorry I am not sure I understood that or if there was a question  there?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 13/02/2018 15:14:35
No question.

Webb is not Hubble.

Webb is Hubble that can correct its own lens errors.

That's good.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 13/02/2018 15:17:12
No question.

Webb is not Hubble.

Webb is Hubble that can correct its own lens errors.

That's good.

Yes that sounds very good, it may lead to new discovery.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 14/02/2018 08:29:01
No question.

Webb is not Hubble.

Webb is Hubble that can correct its own lens errors.

That's good.

Yes that sounds very good, it may lead to new discovery.

I think it will. They're aiming to see the most distant stars and thus arrive at an ultimate value for the red shift effect factor. My writing work says it will be a value of  z = ~20.8. Those results are expected late next year.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/02/2018 12:16:06
No question.

Webb is not Hubble.

Webb is Hubble that can correct its own lens errors.

That's good.

Yes that sounds very good, it may lead to new discovery.

I think it will. They're aiming to see the most distant stars and thus arrive at an ultimate value for the red shift effect factor. My writing work says it will be a value of  z = ~20.8. Those results are expected late next year.
The problem I have got is that the size of the Universe is relative to the magnification of the telescope,   the Universe is size n in reality because we can nether know.   Light intensity  stops us seeing beyond a spherical boundary.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 15/02/2018 07:11:33
No question.

Webb is not Hubble.

Webb is Hubble that can correct its own lens errors.

That's good.

Yes that sounds very good, it may lead to new discovery.

I think it will. They're aiming to see the most distant stars and thus arrive at an ultimate value for the red shift effect factor. My writing work says it will be a value of  z = ~20.8. Those results are expected late next year.
The problem I have got is that the size of the Universe is relative to the magnification of the telescope,   the Universe is size n in reality because we can nether know.   Light intensity  stops us seeing beyond a spherical boundary.

Here's the link to the article I'm referring to re. the James Webb telescope:

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-s-james-webb-space-telescope-to-be-launched-spring-2019, Retrieved 28 January 2018. (see "note [1]).
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 15/02/2018 09:33:45
rtunity on
I watched something on it last night, apparently it is a very late launch ?   It should of been sent up years ago?

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 15/02/2018 09:36:03
Really? Any links for that? We can only ask what the investors hope to achieve with these launches.

I know the data is available late 2019.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 15/02/2018 09:48:01
Really? Any links for that? We can only ask what the investors hope to achieve with these launches.

I know the data is available late 2019.
It took 20 years to build and the launch got delayed a few times.   Would 20 years not make it old technology now lol ?

Sorry could not find the video on youtube I watched
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 15/02/2018 10:02:08
Doing a satellite beyond Hubble with the ability to change the focus is a good idea; bad if they tooled it right this time and got it wrong.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 15/02/2018 10:11:34
Doing a satellite beyond Hubble with the ability to change the focus is a good idea; bad if they tooled it right this time and got it wrong.
It is a brilliant idea, hopefully it removes the transverse red shift affect. 
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 15/02/2018 10:15:42
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Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 15/02/2018 11:39:58
We are waiting long; late 2019 and then add problems.

Long enough for us to calculate before what they're trying to see....sounds bad, but who was happy going to get glasses the first time?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 15/02/2018 13:13:54
We are waiting long; late 2019 and then add problems.

Long enough for us to calculate before what they're trying to see....sounds bad, but who was happy going to get glasses the first time?

Hopefully it works.   However there could be still a problem that the nearest body in the non-observable Universe could still be too far away too see.  If the observable Universe is expanding , then it is very likely that things in the non-observable Universe are also in expansion , cause and affect.

p.s we need to launch a telescope with a velocity heading of outer space. Transmit the signal back to see if we get new pictures of non-observable things.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 15/02/2018 13:21:24
I'm "hoping" its still the issue given the Tesla fanfare?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 15/02/2018 13:24:03
Tesla fanfare


I am sorry that is a question I did not understand, Tesla fanfare?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 15/02/2018 13:27:27
Tesla fanfare


I am sorry that is a question I did not understand, Tesla fanfare?


Tesla as a story is not something I'd be using if not for doing what he wanted to achieve.....which was an absolute fail......

I'm surprised his name is being used today......very surprised....

If he were alive today he wouldnt be backing batteries.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 15/02/2018 13:33:09
Tesla fanfare


I am sorry that is a question I did not understand, Tesla fanfare?


Tesla as a story is not something I'd be using if not for doing what he wanted to achieve.....which was an absolute fail......

I'm surprised his name is being used today......very surprised....

Tesla was just unorthodox ,  sometimes unorthodox gives answers. I am rather unorthodox myself.  I quite like Tesla and respect his mind.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 15/02/2018 13:43:33
Nikola Tesla wanted to be a polar opposite of his father.  HIs father was an orthodox priest, I think he wanted to prove that god is science. 
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 15/02/2018 14:00:40
Tesla had an idea of using rapid AC.

I'm surprised Plank didn't challenge him, right? What I'm saying is Planck also didn't really do the math.

(apologies, yet I had to edit this): Anyone who knows the energy levels of the atom knows the frequency of photon release increases with each photoelectric effect the higher-out the energy shell...and not as the planck equation suggests; the further out the energy shell (higher as we call it) the lower the energy release though, and thus the lower the energy release for the higher the frequency for the photo-electric effect. So, I'm not sure how Planck didn't notice that.

And so, when that fundamental Planck equation is changed accordinly, our understanding of singularities needs to change fundamentally so. I used the analogy of Tesla as an idea's person that wasn't bang-on with his proposals. I think Planck could be similar, as I'm suggesting he wasn't bang on with the photoelectric effect. I'm suggesting that frequency is inversely proposal to energy.


Just as a post-edit, I've had to change the above. I started a new post in the physics section re. the Photo-electric effect, and clearly frequency there is in proportion to energy. Apologies for the confusion. I've been working on a sub-atomic theory for the relation between energy and frequency, not the standard quantum electron shell formula prescribed by Rydberg, and the theory became overlapped, but all good now.


Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 16/02/2018 15:34:37
I'm suggesting he wasn't bang on with the photoelectric effect. I'm suggesting that frequency is inversely proposal to energy.




I didn't really understand the rest of the post but I did understand this sentence.  A notion I have mentioned before, 

That λ is directly proportional  to the invert force.   So you was close .   

λ  =  F1 +  F2

F1 = c

 F2= u   where c is Photons and u is permeability.


Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 01:15:26
I'm suggesting he wasn't bang on with the photoelectric effect. I'm suggesting that frequency is inversely proposal to energy.




I didn't really understand the rest of the post but I did understand this sentence.  A notion I have mentioned before, 

That λ is directly proportional  to the invert force.   So you was close .   

λ  =  F1 +  F2

F1 = c

 F2= u   where c is Photons and u is permeability.


That's an interesting idea.

My argument re. Planck was that although his equations work for electron shells, as per the Rydberg formula, I have been considering that the inverse relationship is true on the actual Planck scale. The reasoning for this is entailed in a paper I'm trying to put together so I've been trying to avoid explaining it too greatly, which has made my posts seem a bit clunky. Apologies for that.

Yet I like yor use of the permeability, because "there" we can suggest how "space" can be factored in on a Planck scale of consderation, and as you suggest with an equation regarding permeability. Am I right in thinking that?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 02:15:37

Yet I like yor use of the permeability, because "there" we can suggest how "space" can be factored in on a Planck scale of consderation, and as you suggest with an equation regarding permeability. Am I right in thinking that?


I was considering more the permeability of fields that occupy space such as the Earth's field stopping harmful rays.  In accordance with Newton's third law , the ''sky'' pushes  back because the Earth's field has permeability.
I believe the blue sky is the invert of force of two individual fields of the Earth and the Sun.
Now when considering objects that have colour,  again I feel this is an invert process that the electrical field of the object causes a force feedback of the light to create a wave-length by inverting the incident ray causing a temporal compression.
I am not sure about Plank, because I would say u = λ   and u was the opposing force, pushing back a line to make it wave.

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 03:18:29
I think I understand. By temporal compression you're suggesting a "blue-shift" effect?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 11:40:01
I think I understand. By temporal compression you're suggesting a "blue-shift" effect?
Or ''red-shift'', any wave length that is a compression of linear light.


c......................................................................→linear

c.......................................................~~~~~~~→←u
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 11:55:55
Of course as per the logic of what you're suggesting; you gave the example of why we see the sky as blue, and so presumably the same could be suggested regarding the red-shift of stars?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 12:06:30
Of course as per the logic of what you're suggesting; you gave the example of why we see the sky as blue, and so presumably the same could be suggested regarding the red-shift of stars?
It is the same logic as red-shift  really. But using my logic red-shift shows contraction of c, but what I have gathered they are viewing the red shift our end which is natural to the inverse of the receding objects light .
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 12:16:24
Doing a blue shift or red shift requires on a basic level a contraction or extension of a wavelength of light. That mechanism on a grand scale such as the planet has to abide by a whole host of other observed factors on a planetary scale. Can your theory accommodate likewise?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 12:24:32
Doing a blue shift or red shift requires on a basic level a contraction or extension of a wavelength of light. That mechanism on a grand scale such as the planet has to abide by a whole host of other observed factors on a planetary scale. Can your theory accommodate likewise?
This is my point,   a ''red-shift'' is an expansion of ''blue''   but a contraction of c. 

The light propagating through space is not observed because the wave-length is in my opinion 0, a linear straight line that can   
be any wave-length, in short 0 is not a mixture of frequencies, a mixture of frequencies can be created from 0.

0 is in full expansion without any u stopping it. 

Red shift would be the ''first'' visible compression of 0. 

Not sure if you will follow that or not....Doppler did not consider 0.

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 12:34:09
Do you have a paper on this?

"0" as time or space? What Cartesian mode is being used?

I'm happy to look at your work.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 12:38:09
Do you have a paper on this?

"0" as time or space? What Cartesian mode is being used?
I have not written a paper on this, I am not sure about Cartesian mode, I use simple logic such as :

c......................................→

r.................................→←u


c  ≠  r  where r is red-shift  , red is a λ shorter  than c


Δc =  Δλ


Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 12:45:31
Have you had any feedback yet with this? I just don't know how to criticise. It's hard to judge your point without a solid field of response on this.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 12:50:23
Have you had any feedback yet with this? I just don't know how to criticise. It's hard to judge your point without a solid field of response on this.
I have solved gravity mechanics and don't really get any feedback, to be honest ''they'' think I am an idiot, being honest again I think I am a natural born scientist who can think about anything and put it into reality context. 
I do not find science difficult .

I just 'see' the obvious of things . The obvious of red-shift

red-shift is longer than blue but shorter than ?

The answer gives you a linear of 0 .
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 13:00:53
Can you send me a link for your gravity mechanics? I mean, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, as I don't know about your theory of gravity.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 13:02:43
Can you send me a link for your gravity mechanics?

It is in forum , just look at the polarity thread in new theories or the n-field thread. I am still working on the math, in short , neutral is attracted to neutral is gravity.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 13:05:19
"neutral" what? Neutral as in space is self-attractive?

I think if anyone has a new idea, don't hide it. I've posted vast amounts of whatever. Papers and so on. The money shot is exactly that, "is it useful". I get the feeling you don't want to explain your idea completely?

If you think space is self-attractive, like a negative-energy matrix, maybe, I don't know, does that fit?, consider the post I offered in this new theories section: https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=72390.0

It's hard to define these forks in the road of scientific development.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 13:25:32
"neutral" what? Neutral as in space is self-attractive?

I think if anyone has a new idea, don't hide it. I've posted vast amounts of whatever. Papers and so on. The money shot is exactly that, "is it useful". I get the feeling you don't want to explain your idea completely?

If you think space is self-attractive, like a negative-energy matrix, maybe, I don't know, does that fit?, consider the post I offered in this new theories section: https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=72390.0

It's hard to define these forks in the road of scientific development.
I try to hold back some information, but over the years I have ''said'' most of it.

Electrically neutral, atomically Neutral, as in   (-1)  +  (+1)  = 0  or N for neutral.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 13:35:46
Am I missing something? What you just said as an equation is what on what contemporary scientific level of congress?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 13:37:47
Am I missing something? What you just said as an equation is what on what contemporary scientific level of congress?
A set of pan scales.

-1 is a weight

+1 is a weight


-1  =  +1 in weight

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 13:42:32
I drew it for you

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Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 13:47:31
-1 is a negative polarity weight  -e electron

+1 is a positive polarity weight  +1e proton

Mass (m1) = (-e)  +  (+1e)  = N (neutral) = 0

→←
N N
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 13:54:39
Ok. Next question is papers, people, scientists, this is built upon.....any close "link" to this you are explaining?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 14:01:27
Ok. Next question is papers, people, scientists, this built upon.....
It isn't really based on one specific paper or scientist, it is based on science and all the work of  science. 

Coulombs laws of likewise and opposite polarities
Maxwell
Newton's laws of forces
Einsteins space-time and the ''fabric'' of space
Atomic model,
etc....
Based on everything science as ever told me really, their knowledge leading to my drawn conclusion. Of course myself having the ability to do naked science helps :D

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 14:18:12
Ok.

That's a good precedent I'm thinking for this basis of new ideas, otherwise we may as well actually challenge standard ideas as a walk ahead with contemporary ideas.....not sure what to call that forum "section"?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 14:20:40
.not sure what to call that forum "section"?

Challenging semantics?


Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 14:22:30
.not sure what to call that forum "section"?

Challenging semantics?

"Stating the obvious" is how I call it.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 14:26:36
.not sure what to call that forum "section"?

Challenging semantics?

"Stating the obvious" is how I call it.
So true, sometimes , the obvious is the answer and overthinking can only lead to subjective notions .
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 14:32:04
Call a spade a spade. I agree.

So, how well is this theory of yours headed, like a ship in the stormy waters of scientific uncertainty?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 14:41:32
Call a spade a spade. I agree.

So, how well is this theory of yours headed, like a ship in the stormy waters of scientific uncertainty?
More like there is no uncertainty and it is an axiom of the likes of an object ''falls'' to the ground. I am certain it is 100% and there is no other answers or queries on the subject after this. It ''finishes'' off quantum theory and gives space-time it's ''fabric''.   
There is much to explain,  I was thinking maybe writing a book , a paper would be too short maybe.  Perhaps I should approach a publisher ?

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 14:43:09
How much money are you willing to spend on this? Cost doesn't seem to phase you? Why not make your ideas relevant to the scientific community first? They might help you out?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 14:53:39
How much money are you willing to spend on this? Cost doesn't seem to phase you? Why not make your ideas relevant to the scientific community first? They might help you out?
Well, I am not rich, I was sort of hoping publishers pay out an advancement while I write the book. I have been explaining to science forums for several year in one way or another. However my use of language back then was not great, so admit-tingly I must of seemed like a troll and sometimes frustration  got the better of me.
Nowadays I am calm and collective, but still, science forums and the supposedly scientists seem to ignore me and my ideas.
I am arguing they are correct but  to me I feel like I am still in the wrong.
 
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 15:02:04
Are you sure you're on the right path? Money is one thing, understanding the atom is something else. Who can say money falls from trees, atoms even?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 15:08:01
Are you sure you're on the right path? Money is one thing, understanding the atom is something else.
I do not want to sound arrogant in anyway but I understand the Universe let alone an atom.  There may be a few intricate details I am yet to discover, but my ''box'' of science tries to use strict axioms. 
There is so many misconceptions and poor semantics involved, impossibilities at times.   I have literally took science apart looking at the fundamentals and elementary aspects of it to objectively define conclusions.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 15:16:29
So where is the joy in knowledge?

We can propose the most complete of ideas, yet where is the money shot if we want money?

As abstract as it sounds, understanding space and time "can't" provide an artifical concept such as wealth. Wealth requires a way to be ackonweldged in comparison to others.

"How" therefore are you comparing your theory with others?

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 15:22:17
So where is the joy in knowledge?

We can propose the most complete of ideas, yet where is the money shot if we want money?


The Nobel prize, maybe even the turner prize, is a money shot so I believe?

Publishing rights, royalties, tv interviews, lectures,  is a money shot. 

A basic job in science and my own small house would be a money shot to me. 

But joy wise, I would love to see my name on Wiki with my own page.   Because then I exist.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 15:32:03
I agree.

Treading on that requires stepping on their stones...."their stones"....not something they don't register as a "being trodden on".
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 15:36:22
I agree.

Treading on that requires stepping on their stones...."their stones"....not something they don't register as a "being trodden on".
Yes exactly, so I am happily stepping on ''their'' stones, but I am polishing ''their'' stones for them.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 15:41:33
I had the impression you had a new "rock" for us to walk towards?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 15:48:22
I had the impression you had a new "rock" for us to walk towards?
A new rock that they do not have the answers too or misinterpret, by using ''their'' stones I have built a new mountain. 

My mountain explains several things and creates a paradox of the existing atomic model. My mountain also gives space physicality in the form of quantum field solidity, (Q.F.S). My mountain rewrites physics using ''their'' own physics as weapons of mass destruction against them, ''their'' physics gives my notion premise .

''Their'' physics becomes frivolous litigation.

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 15:52:37
They just need to "get it" right?

That sh1t sucks, I know.

Find a way you can develop what they're doing.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 15:56:48
They just need to "get it" right?
yes , many years ago they told me I was wrong on a Matrix I tried to present involving online poker.  I knew then if they thought that was wrong, then they must be wrong on other things and just need to ''get it right''.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 15:58:44
Find a way you can develop what they're doing.
Hopefully , maybe when i have learnt their maths they will understand
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 16:04:58
Or....screw science, just play poker?

Hang on.....when you've learn't their science?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 16:11:28
Screw science, just play poker?
No, don't play online poker, live poker is ok but you need a bank roll.  Poker is not really important to me anymore, although poker taught me a lot about variation.   Would you believe I can also sit on a roulette table, and when I am in the right mind and mood for it, sit there for nearly 3 days solid in a row starting with only £10.   
I can sort of make predictions by split second mathematical calculations in my head using a sequencing strategy and odds etc.   I can play roulette as if playing poker and sort of equal out the variance.
You may say this is gamblers fallacy, but I assure you it is logic.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 16:20:47
when you've learn't their science?
When I have learnt their language of maths to present my ideas in math also.  I pretty much have my paradox maths sorted and correct, but ''they'' are not really confirming it is correct.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 16:22:22
What link do you have with contemporary theory, your ideas and their ideas?

What is your "step"?

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 16:25:53
What link do you have with contemporary theory, your ideas and their ideas?

''Their'' ideas are Wiki, my ideas are all over the net. Many forums know who I am no matter what my alias.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 16:29:42
Fake news as we know is everywhere,. .. what's your protection?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 16:35:10
Fake news as we know is everywhere,. .. what's your protection?
I have no copyright protection although forums give me intellectual right protection.   My main protection is myself, I understand my own ideas better than anyone else could ever hope too. It needs me to explain everything. 
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 16:37:18
Thumbs up.  8)

These ideas....when is this paper available?

You know, you can write any paper pre-press with vixra...provided it meets codes of practice.....you can publish ideas without worrying your cousin is going to take it away from you.......I was worried so long about that,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 16:44:05
Thumbs up.  8)

These ideas....when is this paper available?
I have part wrote some papers, it would take months to write the entire paper as one paper.  But as yet I have not really had agreement with my notions and this put's me off the completion of the paper(s).

I  have a part paper on time
I have a part paper on my N-field theory which explains gravity and creates a paradox ,  which needs to be  an epic paper .
I have a part paper on light  which I may now change on  some new thinking I have.



Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 16:55:05
Publish.

Digital footprint if you think its good enough.

"vixra" is something to consider if you're serious about taking your work to a pre-press level beyond not being able to secure peer review entry elsewhere.

When you publish in such a way, you've dated yourself with the precise idea.

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 16:59:39
Publish.

Digital footprint if you think its good enough.

"vixra" is something to consider if you're serious about taking your work to a pre-press level beyond not being able to secure peer review entry elsewhere.
Thanks, that looks interesting, does anyone read it though?  I do have wordpress free blogging?
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 17:04:58
Yeah, people read it. I know NASA looks at it.
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 17:17:43
Yeah, people read it. I know NASA looks at it.
Cool, I might give it a go  and complete one of my papers. I am on an american political forum with a science section, I have already had some discussion with a user who claims he is a well known scientist.

P.s Thanks for the good , normal conversation.

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 17:29:41
It has to challenge them......stand on their rocks.....at least propose something they can't work out in their field of ambition.....

Thanks for thanking.

If you have a theory, and you think it's good enough, lodge it pre-press with vixra.....you have your name and date with the idea. That way the core idea you have is registered. You'll be surprised who might respond!
Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/02/2018 17:42:22
It has to challenge them......stand on their rocks.....at least propose something they can't work out in their field of ambition.....

Well , I have gravity wrapped up I believe, ''they'' were simply looking at Neutral as Neutral and never thinking that Neutral might be ostensible.   My learning style is a theorist style , everything I learn is ostensible until proven to be true by axioms.

Title: Re: Could Time be a singularity?
Post by: opportunity on 17/02/2018 17:51:00
The money shot is key. An idea of gravity without technology won't attract attention. I'm promoting my own work with a tech application for gravity. I wouldn't otherwise. No one would be interested. Am I right with my tech grav? Its expensive, but an idea nonetheless.

My real interest now is the following post

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=72390.0

Any feedback would be great.....anything, good or bad. I'm thinking it was either badly worded or not relevant, or both?

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