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Title: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: MOON TRUTH on 27/07/2012 20:55:55
So I have been kicked from the mainstream forums, because it seems nobody wants to accept the truth.

 So what I do is I take images of the Moon surface, Then I flip them over. Next I use Google Earth to overlay them over the Earth. I use the most detailed images I can aquire. The most important crater on the Moon, is Mare Orientale, I will just call it MO.
MO is the crater that used to hit the super continent. It may have actually been the creator of the continents, because every continent has it's mark all over it. I do believe the cycle changed due to an impact that knocked it off it's cycle. So MO no longer hit the Earth, but the impacts didn't stop. The side that faces us now, is the side that has hit Earth, during it most recent cycles.
 By the way I have a video on youtube, titled: Common Sense geologic history of the Earth and Moon. It shows the Super continent as it was during many of MO's impacts. If anyone has any interest, or would like to start a research group on this subject, please let me know.

I promise you this is fact. These impacts tie themselves together and can be proven with the weather patterns. Mainstream science will not accept this, mainly because they would have to admit to being wrong about everything. I am serious as a heart attack. I think they know about it, but refuse to bring it out publicly.

 The geologic history of the Earth is not hidden, if people would just look closely at the globe, they would see. I use the maps from the Government space agencies, and USGS to uncover their lies. If their maps are correct, I can prove it all day long, with confirmation and prove it with the weather patterns, absolutely prove it.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: MOON TRUTH on 27/07/2012 21:28:13
I can't believe you call this on the lighter side, new theories. Why is it on the lighter side? Real science is about finding the truth, beyond and above the theories. The mainstream is stuck in the mainstream, with no way to get out, not without admitting they were wrong about everything in the past. New theories will always be new theories, because there is no way to get the mainstream, to let go of the past theories. Which after all, are just theories, so if the absolute truth was discovered, which it has been, believe me it has, they will never tell it, just to protect themselves. So who are the real scientist? The ones who suppress it, or the ones who have to fight to bring the truth to light. The only new information mainstream scientist will acknowledge, is information from other mainstream scientist, only if it doesn't go against the grain. If it will disrupt anything that is set in place, forget it!
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: MOON TRUTH on 27/07/2012 21:44:17
Without being able to put this in the mainstream science forums, I can't even get a good debate started. I would like to challenge any mainstream scientist to a debate on the subject of the Moon having impacted the Earth, countless times. I can prove with imagery, at least 8 impacts that I can confirm and in a way prove with the weather patterns. There is nothing wrong with a scientific debate, right? As long as it's friendly.

I'll start: When the poles on the Earth reverse, the Moon is attracted by magnetism, and impacts the Earth. Opposite poles attract, and same pole repel. This is the mechanism. They say it's possible for a Mars size planet to hit the Earth, to create the Moon, I say the Moon is the mars size planet. The prints that are on the Earth, show that the Moon is 3X the size we are told. Is there anyway to measure the Moon, without using any numbers from NASA?
 
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: CliffordK on 27/07/2012 23:42:43
So, you're saying that the moon periodically hits the earth, and bounces off like a rubber ball?

There are many problems with it.
The angular momentum holding the moon in place would be hard to overcome.  And, in fact, we are seeing the moon slowly receding from the earth due to transfer of tidal energy.

You would have to have a nearly perfectly elastic collision, and would still have to contend to the tremendous wind resistance.  It would still return to a substantially lower orbit.

While the crust on Earth is a few miles thick which seems pretty thick.  The moon may have a thicker crust, and would tear through earth's crust like throwing a fastball at a sheet of construction paper.  If the moon did, in fact, tear into Earth's core, one would no longer have an elastic collision.  Some material may still be blasted into space as is believed to have happened with the Theia impact event (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis), so a new moon might form (without craters, nor an impression of the Earth).

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fb%2Fb8%2FGiantimpact.gif&hash=19caf3eb31c3f96a804d7d233ab490cd)

The global ramifications would be enormous, potentially with an extinction of well over 99% of the life on the earth.

There is a real risk of the moon being liberated from the earth somewhere in excess of 10 billion years in the future as the distance between the earth and the moon continues to slowly increase.  This would be after the sun has reached a red giant phase and white dwarf.  At this time, it is possible the moon's orbit could destabilize and it could crash back to earth.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: CliffordK on 28/07/2012 00:38:13
I would also note that the relative paucity of meteorites of confirmed terrestrial origin would indicate that it is unlikely that there have been repeated large impact events with debris that reaches orbit, or escapes Earth's gravity well.

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When you start your topic with "This Is Not Theory"...  it does need some more supporting evidence to even reach the level of being a good hypothesis.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: MOON TRUTH on 28/07/2012 22:59:02
It's not theory, according to the NASA images and the USGS maps, it's true. I have tied the images together in so many ways, each impact confirms the other in some cases. For instance, Tycho and Jackson, They both hit in the Pacific Ocean, but it wasn't ocean then. But we can still see the prints in the ocean floor. The angles on both craters are exactly the same as the Hawaii island chain. Jackson actually has 2 angles that are identical to those on the ocean floor. When I take an image of Tycho, in it's entirety, and overlay it in reverse, aligning it with the Hawaii Island chain, we can see it fit. Then when I turn on the weather patterns, which are live streaming and always different. They always fit into the shaded areas of the Tycho impact. This will happen every time, any day, next year, whenever, they will always fit the craters pattern. This is true with just about every impact. The weather patterns on the Earth, are shaped the same as the impact left by the Moon. Usually the patterns are right in the lines and everything. This will happen anytime there is weather over the impact, it will always fit in the lines, one way or another.

I stumbled across that by accident, but the fits are so perfect that it is just another way of confirming the impact. I have actually found a couple of impacts using the weather patterns. I have spent thousands of hours researching this. I confirm each impact with not only the geologic history of the impact area, like Siberia. But I also confirm them with the overlapping impacts as well. It's not coincidence that Siberia had a million year eruption, and that Mare Orientale fits there perfectly. I am sorry but there are land features that cannot be denied, on both the Moon and the Earth. I think the only way to know is to actually spend some time looking for yourself. Either the Moon has hit the Earth, or the government has produced images that show it that it has. The Moon is right there, if anything has hit the Earth, it's the Moon. I am not seeing things, that I promise
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Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: CliffordK on 29/07/2012 12:14:40
There are thousands of impact craters on the moon.  And thousands of mountains on Earth.
It isn't surprising that a few appear to be outwardly similar.

Have you done careful measurements of distances on the moon and Earth?

I would encourage you try a similar exercise, but using Mercury rather than the moon.  Any similarities?

Your hypothesis still has to explain how the moon left orbit.  Impacted Earth, only doing minor surface damage without disintegrating, or burning up in the atmosphere, (and not loosing the regolith), then re-entered orbit (in the same place)?
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: bizerl on 30/07/2012 23:52:08
I'm also interested to know your thoughts on how the features of the moon impacted the Earth, but not the other way around. I must admit I started watching your youtube video out of curiosity but didn't have the time to invest in the whole thing, but it seems your basic point is that this Mare Orientale has "stamped" the Earth many times with it's shape, yet nothing on the Moon itself has been altered.

I'm always willing to embrace new theories and while I myself am not a scientist, I've always found that the scientific community loves to be proved wrong. That is how progression is made. I think that if a finding goes against current scientific knowledge, it should be up to the finder to try and disprove the theory as much as possible. That seems to be where a theory's strength lies - not in it's ability to be supported, but in it's inability to be disproven.

I also think that there have been enough conflicts in the world between various scientific giants to dispel any conspiracy. It's one thing for the US government to cover up certain facts, but for every scientific nation to agree on covering up something as big as this? It doesn't seem likely.

I look forward to hearing more about your theory when there is more to it than just your interpretation of maps.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: MOON TRUTH on 31/07/2012 08:43:07
Not only has MO stamped every continent on the Earth, but MO has also stamped the Moon as well. Most of the other impact craters on the Moon, like Tycho for example, share the MO print, because they hit the same places on the Earth, that Mo already hit before. I believe MO was a cycle of impacts, with the Earth, that cycle ended when MO impacted the Earth and got knocked out of that cycle. Now the side that faces us, is the new impact side. There are impact craters all over the Moon from impacting Earth. We can see that many have been covered by the debri, from the most recent impact. 
 Tycho impacts earth, as well as, Jackson, Mare Imbrium, Mare Australe, Mare Crisium, Mare Smytii, and more I am sure. I work with MO because it's every where. To answer your question, I guess the Moon is a very hard rock, and I do believe there are boulders on the Earth that are from the Moon. I know! they went to the Moon to get rocks, right? If you can believe they ever went, I don't. The absolute prints are all over the earth, and are so obvious. Like I say, the hardest thing for me to believe, is that very few people know. Get the USGS map of MO off the internet, flip it and overlay it with Google Earth, center it right over the Great Slave Lake in Canada. It's more real than I want it to be. Imagine how it's feels knowing this, and nobody has a clue. I use a 42" screen and cans see it clearly. My friends can see it, and I shocked several of them with the alignments I show them, they just want me to shut it off, they see it so clearly
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 31/07/2012 11:04:39
... they went to the Moon to get rocks, right? If you can believe they ever went, I don't.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/photogalleries/apollo-11-moon-base-before-after-pictures/index.html
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: JP on 31/07/2012 12:42:54
Mod note:  Moon Truth, it's one thing to propose a new idea for scientific discussion.  It's another to claim that by looking at pictures on a big monitor, you've proved the moon keeps bouncing off the earth (in violation of the laws of gravity).   

This forum is for scientific discussion.  If you don't have science to back up your point of view, this thread will be closed.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: MOON TRUTH on 06/09/2012 18:52:55
Close it then! Just another group of people trying to keep science locked up, in it's theories. Remember that all the science about the Earth and Moon are theories. Based on the same type of research. Pouring over maps, and images, using weather patterns, and the history as well. It is no different than the data gathered by other scientist. By the way! The Great Slave Lake, is the center of an impact by the Moon. It keeps confirming itself. I am still waiting to be proven wrong, but I don't even think it's possible. Good bye!
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: CliffordK on 07/09/2012 02:25:25
One thing I've noticed is that Google Earth does a poor job at showing changes in elevation.  Part of the problem is that the Earth is over 12,000 km in diameter, but the tallest mountains on Earth are only a few km tall.  So, really it needs to create a false relief, or perhaps use contour lines.  Your model should carefully review the altitudes of various elements within the model.

You certainly have to be very careful with the scale of overlapping images, making sure the scales are identical.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that one finds circular shapes on both the Earth and moon.  But that doesn't mean that they've been bouncing off one another, or even that they were caused by the same processes.  . 

You haven't proposed any physics that would allow such an event, and several people have mentioned that the moon would not survive such an impact.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 07/09/2012 02:44:24
... The Great Slave Lake, is the center of an impact by the Moon. It keeps confirming itself. I am still waiting to be proven wrong

Self similarity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-similarity) explains what you have observed : by changing the scale (and perhaps rotating) one geographic feature could look similar to another feature on the same or different planet.

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Many objects in the real world, such as coastlines, are statistically self-similar: parts of them show the same statistical properties at many scales.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-similarity
Title: Is There Anybody That Is Aware That The Moon Has Hit The Earth, More Than Once
Post by: MOON TRUTH on 16/09/2012 10:20:42
I have been doing reverse image overlays of the Moon surface, over the Earth's surface, for almost 3 years, just about everyday. I can actually place individual craters from the Moon, right where they hit on the Earth. Like Kepler in North Dakota, and Copernicus in Northern California, and the Mother of all Earth's land shapes, Mare Orientale. Since I can place these craters with complete accuracy, I can get a very close measurement of the Moons overall size. The distance we are led to believe, between Kepler, and Copernicus, is approx. 333 miles, on the Moon. On the Earth the distance between the 2 craters is 1333 miles. This follows a 4x the size pattern. The size of Copernicus, as it fits perfectly on the Earth, in Northern Cal, and edging into Nevada, is also 4x the size they say it is on the Moon. Also should say, that most of the moon has impacted the earth, all sides, obviously the side that faces us, had hit earth, since the craters I mention, can be located exactly where I say. and all the craters in between, as well.
 If we are to believe the images of the moon, are accurate, at least in their appearance, then we need to open this for discussion. Is there anyone that knows this, and is willing to actually discuss it? I find it very difficult too believe, that nobody knows, somebody knows! Antarctica is a direct impact, by Mare Orientale. A reversed image of this crater, at approx 4x it's said to be size, overlaid over Antarctica, shows that it fits perfectly, then the weather patterns confirm the impact. Then I use an image of the Antarctica Rock Structure, laid inside this crater, which remember is reversed, It totally proves it at that point. I believe that I could show anyone the evidence I have, and they would have to at least, acknowledge the fact that the evidence shows what I am saying is true. Even with the images, which are no comparison to the quality images the scientists must have. In my research, I have hit the obvious road blocks, like the lunar data we accept to be true, because who says? NASA? If NASA found a planet where life existed, and it was covered with gold, would they tell us? Of course not! Why is this any different? Actually, the gold on the Earth, was more than likely put here during these impacts, or was a product created by the impacts. Just like Copernicus Crater in Northern Cal, it covers the entire mother lode. If you look at Copernicus on the Moon, it is a very bright and shiny crater, and it hits right where the biggest gold rush took place. Is this the reason why people want to keep this secret to themselves? You better believe that would be a perfect motive for spreading disinformation. Every place I have checked for gold, there is already a mine in place, many which are historic, and I didn't even know existed, until I discovered this "theory". You better believe, they were very thorough. If you can put things together, it all becomes very clear, that the Mayans, the Egyptians, and many other ancient cultures, knew about this. The pyramids in every country, were built to please the Moon. Why would you need to please the moon? To hopefully keep it from hitting earth again. So why the pyramid? Mare Orientale is a huge multi ring crater, that obviously used to face the earth, since it completely shapes every continent. On the top of this crater, as the ancient's would have seen when looking at the full moon, was the exact pyramid you see on the top of the Mayan calendar. I would bet just about anything, that the calendar actually represents this crater. I have overlaid the calendar, over this crater, with incredible results, amazing! Ancient symbols I have seen in a documentary, match this crater very well.
 Then you have the geologic history of the Earth, which is another way of confirming these impacts, as they typically take place where major geologic structures exist. Like Siberia, and it's million year eruption. The Rockies, Marianas Trench, Yellowstone, The Himalayas, the Andes, The Great Slave Lake, every inch of every continent, and ocean, has been directly impacted by the Moon impacts. That is what the Images show. I use several variations of the crater, put out by NASA, and the USGS, as well as foreign images, and the pattern holds, around 4X the size. I have placed Tycho, which has the exact same angle as the Hawaiian Island chain, exactly! I have placed Crisium, and Smythii, Mare Imbrium, Mare Australe, to the point where they start to confirm each other.
 Then there are the weather patterns, which often enough, show us where these impacts happen, as well they show us where the continents, used to be located in earth's past. The weather patterns, when turned on, over a crater that I have overlaid in the correct location on the Earth, show so much. The clouds fit into every line, and curve, as if the weather was actually on the Moon itself.
 So lets discuss it! Just because it should change, all Earth science, as we are told it is to be, it will probably never happen, unless we discuss it. I think it's wrong to withhold this from people, if it's true. Many people may like things the way they are in science. I say that science cannot be factual, unless you put every possibility to the test. Even then, we need to leave the door open, to allow for new possibilities that may present themselves in the future. I believe a good scientist, should take everything into consideration, and never come to any conclusions. One last thing! When someone important, and highly educated, tells you how it must be, you should always question their information. Because it's just as easy to spread dis-info as it is to spread good info. It's a greedy world we live in, unfortunately, but it is. :)
Title: Re: Is There Anybody That Is Aware That The Moon Has Hit The Earth, More Than Once
Post by: grizelda on 16/09/2012 12:15:56
A cosmology that maps the topology of the moon to the earth is a fail, but you can map your experience of the universe to your experience in the womb so there's that.
Title: Re: Is There Anybody That Is Aware That The Moon Has Hit The Earth, More Than Once
Post by: RD on 16/09/2012 17:00:17
... I have hit the obvious road blocks, like the lunar data we accept to be true, because who says? NASA?

You don't have believe NASA about how big the moon is : ask an ancient Greek ... http://io9.com/5688939/how-to-measure-the-distance-from-the-earth-to-the-moon
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: CliffordK on 18/09/2012 11:50:51
Mod Note:
I have merged the two identical topics. 
I will lock the topic if you continue to regurgitate the same information without making an effort to address the concerns of other contributors to the forum, including size issues, and the physics of how it would be possible for the moon to loose its angular momentum, and bounce off of the earth without breaking up, then return to orbit, as well as the "self similarity" suggestion brought up by RD.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: BishopE5 on 19/09/2012 06:06:29
If you have images, why wouldn't you include them in your post?
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 19/09/2012 07:54:22
If you have images, why wouldn't you include them in your post?

"MOON TRUTH" has a YouTube channel with images ... https://www.youtube.com/user/lowpricedpaint
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Steelycascade95 on 28/11/2012 22:17:42
Okay seriously.
1st of all, the continents formed due to weakness in the crust created by scalding hot magma in the mantle escaping and hitting the ocean.
2nd of all, obviously if the moon hit earth we would not be here. Mainly because all life on the planet would've been wiped out along with earth itself, or at least a good portion of it.
3rd of all, wouldn't the moon be destroyed by even just one collision?
4th of all, the moon is held into place orbiting the earth, not hurling itself into it! The only thing that could change that is a sudden change in the gravity balance in the solar system, say if a rouge star or a black hole entered the system.
Just a facepalm moment.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: MoonDragn on 17/12/2012 22:23:54
Holy crap, you're kidding right? You can't possibly believe this is true. What do you think the moon is made of? Cheese? How would you stop the two bodies from breaking apart into a million pieces when they crashed into each other? Do you think the Moon is made of a giant rubber stamp?

There is absolutely 0 chance of what you claim is true to be true at all. None. It would break a lot of laws in physics.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: evan_au on 18/12/2012 09:39:58
Magnetic dipole fields (which dominate the Earth's magnetic field at present) get rapidly weaker with distance, so it is quite weak at the distance of the Moon. The Moon's magnetic field is much weaker than the Earth's.

In addition, the Moon's magnetic field is very localised, rather than a dipole field like the Earth, so it decays even more rapidly with distance than the Earth's magnetic field. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field_of_the_Moon

I don't see how these fairly weak magnetic fields could interact to toss around something the size of the moon.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 13/11/2013 14:21:22
I'm not anyone special ok I just look , but reading this everyone is say why isn't the moon just crashing , well the first thing I though of is what's the water going to do sins tides happen coz of the moon , so what wood the water do , what if the moon was so close and at a slow speed that the water wood have time to be pulled to it building up at the point of impact , been held together by both the earth and moons gravity like a in brake able water baloon, wouldn't the water keep the sufice crust cool to no brake up coz the water wouldn't be pushed away .now it mite not do that and the moon mite just crach and die but wood think that would be the case if the impact was quick witch it wouldn't ..:: just my thoughts like I sed I'm no one special just look and read so please be nice
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 13/11/2013 14:31:39
Aaa second about the moon being bigger . Well I don't think that can be the case but if the surfuce was cooled with water and press to together it mite flared out witch mite make reason to the larger size , just like pressing 2 balls together .and with the water being pulled to the moon wouldn't that make it a soft impact ...
Wouldn't it explan finding sea shells in the highest areas of earth and traces of water on the moon..... I mite have no idea but what happeneds if it did that's all
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: alancalverd on 13/11/2013 15:12:55
So once every few zillion years the laws of physics are set aside? Come on, this is astronomy, not climate "science".
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: SimpleEngineer on 13/11/2013 15:44:23
I thought the moon was looking a little bigger last night.. and when i woke up this morning... I found a giant rubber stamped reconstruction of MO in my back garden.. I was proper shocked..

It was even inverse, with the ridges being dips and mountains where MO has canyons... scary stuff eh?

it even left my house standing and caused no more nuisance than a buzzing fly.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 14/11/2013 02:34:09
Ok like I sed I'm no one but like I sed what's the water going to do .its not climate it's liquid mass being held together by 2 gravity body pulling from an up , down and with a stronge centre , like I sed a unbrakble water balloon .if there was water alway cooling the surface at impact wouldn't that mean every time the crust broke it would move a bit but then cool and harden .it would be like a jigsaw puzzle slowly being spread apart . Law of physic is everything yes now what if the moon was formed just like most rounded shape planets and stars ,by spinning .and sins the moon is perfectly round I first would think this than earth braking of the earth and not be fun shaped . Now why isn't still spinning , I would think if  any size mass hit the moon to make it no spinning it still wouldn't be perfect line with earth .so wouldn't it have to hit earth to be perfectly line with earth......., now I first to think u guys r right and no I don't think nasa got hiden plot but I look at moon truth pic and it wasn't the big things but all the little thinks around it started to fit ,that's why I think he mite be on to something
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 14/11/2013 03:12:05
... the water wood have time to be pulled to it building up at the point of impact , been held together by both the earth and moons gravity like a in brake able water baloon

The depth of the ocean is trivial compared with the diameter of Earth ...

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.planetaryvisions.com%2Fthumbs_new%2F2403_ban.jpg&hash=6c38400b89e80bf8cc28551b596a50e1)
http://www.planetaryvisions.com/Project.php?pid=2403

so the presence of water on Earth wouldn't make any difference to such a [hypothetical]  collision.

Earth's interior is still largely fluid, if the moon collided with Earth the two bodies would coalesce a bit like two water droplets : Earth would go egg-shaped as the moon approached,   ( so not like Planet-Pool in Red Dwarf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dwarf) :¬)
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 14/11/2013 04:05:43
Yer but talking about all water being moved to around 1 point on earth and that not including an gas or solid pulled by the moo or moved by the water .it don't have to be neat .and I'm shore there also wood be boiling of the water making massive stream presser pushing out .earth mite look like an orange throwen at a wall .wouldnt 2 large masses act muddy when hitting and going by that if u drive a car in to very muddy areas u will sink but if u are using catapillar wheels the weigh u can have is unreal .it don't have to be for a long time , just long anuf to bounce of
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: bizerl on 14/11/2013 05:51:36
Ahhh, I missed this fruity thread. So entertaining!

I think the problem is that when dealing with the mass of the Earth, the total mass of water is such a small percentage of it that it really wouldn't do anything, even if it was all bunched up on one side of the Earth.

But lets entertain this idea that somehow water is cushioning the blow, the "stamping" effect of Mare Orientale that was proposed by MOON TRUTH seems to rely on the fact that the blow is not cushioned.

Even if the two masses act "muddy", they're not going to bounce off eachother.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 14/11/2013 06:49:31
They will hit of course but what if there is a layer of water with nowhere to go coz the gravity of both pulls it to one point , wouldn't it be like black ice on a road . Plus after the moon stopped making super tides and started clumping water at the equator wouldn't it cool the equator to make it more thicker , plus add that water is going to get much cooler as it get higher wouldnt the water start to act like water in a slushy machine .plus what about any extra pressers the dense water would do to a single point over and over again
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 14/11/2013 08:28:14
When I'm talking about muddy I'm talking under the hard crust witch is acting like catapillar wheels .isnt a arch ,ball or circle the strongest shape .so if the surface was just thick unuf could it hold out long unuf for the shockwave to come back and help force a bounce like a rubber ball
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 15/11/2013 03:49:43
I would like to add the issue of scaling laws to this discussion. The larger something becomes, the more its strength-to-weight ratio decreases. Let's say you have a beam of steel that is 1 meter in length. You then scale this beam up so that it is twice as long, twice as wide and twice as thick (therefore retaining the same proportions). The strength has not been increased two-fold, but four-fold (it increases with the square of the length increase). This may sound like a good thing, but the weight has increased eight-fold (it increases with the cube of the length increase). This means that the strength-to-weight ratio of the beam has been cut in half by doubling its length. Even if a sufficient repulsive force could be generated between the Earth and the Moon upon a collision, they both lack the structural strength to retain their shape under such immense force. This is especially true since a large amount of their composition is warm and soft (or even hot and liquid, in the case of the Earth). Their surface is composed of a relatively thin layer of brittle stone and minerals, which have a much lower strength-to-weight ratio than steel of the same shape and volume (not that it could survive even if it was made of steel).
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Ethos_ on 15/11/2013 04:10:20
Ahhh, I missed this fruity thread. So entertaining!

I suspect that the reason it's entertaining is a result of the diversion from reality it creates. Kind of like watching SpongeBob Square Pants. But I gave up cartoons many, many years ago.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 15/11/2013 06:16:13
MOON TRUTH, it would probably make you more credible if you were actually willing to address the specific objections that have been raised against your proposal. You are willing to debate, right? Let's see you hold to your own word and debate against our points. Here are some of the issues that have been raised that you have not yet addressed:

(1) How can the magnetic fields of the Earth and Moon be strong enough to force them apart once they have collided? Keep in mind that the magnetic field strength of the Earth is comparable to that of a strong refrigerator magnet. How do you rationalize that as being strong enough to push two celestial bodies apart? This is even more problematic since you propose that the Moon is much larger than the currently accepted measure.

(2) How do you propose that the Earth and the Moon are structurally strong enough to hold together during the impact? The forces generated would be truly immense.

(3) How do you get rid of the excess orbital angular momentum that the Moon has so that it will be able to collide with the Earth?

(4) Why hasn't complex life been wiped out by the multiple impacts? Surely the immense heat, shockwaves, tsunamis, earthquakes and subsequent "impact winter" would have killed the vast majority of living things (including humans). If a mere 6-mile long asteroid impact killed the dinosaurs, then how could the much larger Moon leave so many things alive?

(5) I'm glad that a way to measure the distance from the Earth to the Moon has been brought up, as this also allows us to estimate the diameter of the Moon. The angular diameter of the Moon (the size that it "looks" from our point of view) is about 0.5 degrees. This is something that can be measured by an average Joe, so no NASA conspiracies for that value. If we know the distance to the Moon, we can use this information to help us estimate the diameter. The given estimate derived by calculation in the link posted earlier, the distance is 247,000 miles. You can use this calculator to arrive at the diameter. Don't forget to convert between SI and metric: http://rechneronline.de/sehwinkel/angular-diameter.php (http://rechneronline.de/sehwinkel/angular-diameter.php) When you plug in the numbers, you get ~2,155 miles. This is in close agreement with the number NASA gives us (~2,170 miles). So here you have a confirmation of the Moon's diameter using techniques available to the masses. How then, do you reconcile this with your claim that the Moon is four times larger than what NASA says?

You say you are willing to debate, so let's hear some answers.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 15/11/2013 10:25:02
I'll just say I'm am a joe blow person but this is how I'm swing it in my head.all I'm trying to say if the surfaces could hold out just for 1 moment couldn't it just maybe happen .just say the moon used to spin witch to me seem more likely coz it go more with how planets and stars formed.so if two spinning masses hit the motion isn't flat, its like skipping of each other ,with all things iv sed couldn't maybe they hold out long unuf for the 2 surfaces to roll the weight to different parts intill they start pulling away and move away
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 15/11/2013 10:49:31
I do think most life would die but life show over and over again its hard to kill and if to where at the poles u most have the best chances..... Now the speed the moon would fall could be slow  ,now compared that to the earth spinning and maybe the moon to ,it would be like spinning to balls very very fast and slowly push them together . They only just touch sometime not even that but that one is to do with the air 
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 15/11/2013 11:01:31
Now someone said about braking the laws of physics well don't the laws of physics say when u spin around u with be pushed out not in like gravity does , now what if u have a gravity so close and pulling the other way that maybe the laws of physics of motion gets stronger and come into play and give extre strength to the surfaces of the moon and earth.changing the weight and pressers of both .like I sed it didn't need to be neat .i get the earth going egg shaped but in my head that would most likely be if the faces of the moon and earth where at the same point all the time .not a hump rolling round the earth with super cool water cooling the surface trying to hold back all this presser witch at impact is the reo to the surface like steel to cement .plus with that much cooling going on wouldn't the air temp drop  massively .
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 16/11/2013 01:29:10
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I'll just say I'm am a joe blow person but this is how I'm swing it in my head.all I'm trying to say if the surfaces could hold out just for 1 moment couldn't it just maybe happen .just say the moon used to spin witch to me seem more likely coz it go more with how planets and stars formed.so if two spinning masses hit the motion isn't flat, its like skipping of each other ,with all things iv sed couldn't maybe they hold out long unuf for the 2 surfaces to roll the weight to different parts intill they start pulling away and move away

They can't hold out. Not even for a moment. Actually, trying to minimize the time for which the two objects are in physical contact with each other would require increasing the forces which act between them. The higher the forces, the more damage done to each celestial body.

Consider this: the asteroid which created the Chicxulub crater (the one commonly credited with killing the dinosaurs) has been estimated at around 9-10 kilometers in length. The depth of the crater is around 10 kilometers. The thickness of the Earth's crust ranges from 5 to 50 kilometers (oceanic crust tends to be thinner and continental crust thicker). So here we have an object a mere 10 kilometers in length capable of generating sufficient force to pierce the Earth's crust in some places. Now imagine replacing this 10 kilometer asteroid with an object the size of the Moon (near 3,500 kilometers in diameter). That's a near 350-fold increase in diameter. The differences in their volume and mass would be much greater than that (scaling laws based on a 350-fold increase in diameter indicate that the Moon is ~40 million times more massive than the asteroid, although this will vary slightly depending on differences in density and shape). Nonetheless, it should be abundantly obvious the the Earth's crust would be shattered into oblivion if the Moon struck it.

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I do think most life would die but life show over and over again its hard to kill and if to where at the poles u most have the best chances..... Now the speed the moon would fall could be slow  ,now compared that to the earth spinning and maybe the moon to ,it would be like spinning to balls very very fast and slowly push them together . They only just touch sometime not even that but that one is to do with the air

The only life that could conceivably survive such an impact would be microbes (most likely those buried deep into the Earth's crust on the side of the planet opposite the impact site). If life had to restart, it would need to restart from microbes. By the way, it took about 2 billion years for single cells to evolve into something as simple as sponges. So after the Moon struck, it would take over 2 billion years before complex life could come back.

As far as to liken the Earth to a ball that is spinning "very very fast", I would have to disagree. Imagine holding a basketball on your finger tip and that it is rotating at the same rate that the Earth is. That would be 1 revolution every 24 hours. That would most likely be much too slow to even be seen with the naked eye. For all intents and purposes, we could consider it to not be spinning at all during the impact. It certainly wouldn't be fast enough to have any noticeable effect.

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Now someone said about braking the laws of physics well don't the laws of physics say when u spin around u with be pushed out not in like gravity does , now what if u have a gravity so close and pulling the other way that maybe the laws of physics of motion gets stronger and come into play and give extre strength to the surfaces of the moon and earth.changing the weight and pressers of both .like I sed it didn't need to be neat .i get the earth going egg shaped but in my head that would most likely be if the faces of the moon and earth where at the same point all the time .not a hump rolling round the earth with super cool water cooling the surface trying to hold back all this presser witch at impact is the reo to the surface like steel to cement .plus with that much cooling going on wouldn't the air temp drop  massively .

I find it difficult to understand quite what you're getting at here, but I've already address the two key issues you seem to be bringing up: (1) The Earth's crust isn't nearly strong enough to protect it during an impact with the Moon and (2) The Earth doesn't spin fast enough to make any difference in such an impact.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 16/11/2013 09:06:09
I know what a comet will do and I know how even they can explode b4 impact but how much damage would it do after taking away it's motion and it falling at the most lowest speed of free all , that's what I c the moon more Likely doing sins it's pritty much sitting still comperted to the speed it moves away from us .now if I was to watch over a hour the moon head to earth at them speed how many time would the earth spin .if the moon was to get here from where it is with in a year yes no hope at all , that's only 365 revs but if it takes 1000 years that's 365000 rev .its only take a couple 1000 house power to move the earth of it axis a little so the moon would be less.... And I sed about a super cooling to make the surface stronger .they say b4 the first ice age they wasn't really much ice then some how have a ice age with cycles , so to me something happen on a massive long scale not a short scale .wouldnt the thickness and temp of the surface need to be charge permanently not a event smashing the surface apart rasing surface temps
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 16/11/2013 09:40:47
Also what if the surface was cooler and thicker that when it did crack it was like when u step on ice and brake though where the ice brakes around ur foot but not under the foot leaving a hole peace with the imprint of ur sole on it .now say when the moon hit it broke the same way but with  laws of physics of gravity around 0 sin  u got  a reverse gravity ,so now laws of physics of motion is pushing out and exploding between the moo and earth .all I'm saying is just maybe ...... Maybe when u look up at the moon and c the round dark spots that make the man in moon maybe they r presser marks
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 16/11/2013 10:23:19
Also everyone talking about comets hit the earth, but they r high speed impacts ,the moon hitting will be a low speed impact witch makes all the differents .tap a peace of glass with a marble and most likely do nothing but throw it at the glass and it shatters along with the marble ,it makes all the differents
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 16/11/2013 13:02:08
What I'm saying about gravity is as the moon start to slowly move towards earth first the water wood slowly be dragged to below the closes point to the moon but with the earth still spinning below the water keeping it stured sand stoping it going hard,pressing the water cooler and denser than the deeps past of the ocean now .when the moon get much closer it gravity on earth wood get much stronger .same as earth on the moons gravity .changing the way gravity is acting at the closes points of the 2 ,making earth act like the moon and the moon acting like having 0 gravity .now at some point laws of physics of motion on the earth surface would come in to play , sins we spin at 1650 kmh and if any object moving away from this planet at them speed it's only leaving earth.so now when the moon hit u got pressers and explosive forces pushing the moon away coz laws of physics of motion is trying to push the earth surface out coz of the lower gravity afect ,it don't need to be neat just got to work
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 16/11/2013 16:17:16
At its current distance from Earth, the gravitational pull of the moon distorts the surface of Earth,
see "body tides" ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_tide

This deformation would increase exponentially as the moon approached Earth.

As I said previously (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=44952.msg423952#msg423952) , if the moon got closer to earth, even if it approached very slowly , Earth would be increasingly deformed into an egg-shape and eventually the still-largely-liquid Earth  would consume the (smaller) moon ...   

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fe%2Fef%2FEarth-Moon.png%2F640px-Earth-Moon.png&hash=5fc817860253972ce61fe1d18852930b)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Earth-Moon.png  [ to scale ]
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 17/11/2013 00:32:57
I plan on responding to each of your posts, Missynmax83, but I want to do some calculations in regards to this issue first. This may take some time. I'll get back to you later.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 17/11/2013 01:27:29
If the moon was to hit earth with in a year or so yes but I'm talking 1000s of years and with the surface being super cooled right at the spot the moon is having its biggest afect. plus coz the surface and that is still a solid wouldn't the thickens of the earth with it spinning change the shape more like a wheel or Pan shape ,but now add a super cooled surface holding the earth in shape ...
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 17/11/2013 02:46:49
...  surface being super cooled right at the spot the moon is having its biggest afect ...

The two bodies would have to be totally solid to bounce off each other like pool-balls, Earth being solid at solid at "the right spot" isn't going to stop the moon being swallowed up by the largely liquid Earth.

According to the misguided* member MOON TRUTH, who started this thread, the moon has already hit Earth repeatedly. So your hypothetical solidification cannot explain his theory because Earth currently has a largely molten core, (so it was not solid in the past).

[ * if he was to study the features on other moons and planets I believe he could find some which correspond with those on Earth,  which would demonstrate that his idea than the moon has left imprints on Earth is not the reason astronomical bodies have common features ].
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 17/11/2013 04:03:16
The core would stay molten .my point was laws of physics of motion would = the top layers of earth  to be = to that of a solid mass where the 2 gravity start to = each other out where the  laws of physics of motion is free to have afect.all being held in place by a cooler thicker surface  with water  trying to freeze and compact  it, with looking at other planets moons it's different coz pretty much every other planet it moon orbits different to  earth.other planets have 1angle at around 1%  of its surface but earth  the moon could hit at many different angles and around 50% of the surface
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 17/11/2013 04:16:50
Now how would we know the layer of earth under the surface has not been cool down b4 ,the core will try and stay at current temp ,so after the moon has moved away from earth and the water is free to move back to how it is ,the core is free the warm the layers of earth back to normal temps with the only thing charge being the surface ,air and water temp
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 17/11/2013 06:48:20
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I know what a comet will do and I know how even they can explode b4 impact but how much damage would it do after taking away it's motion and it falling at the most lowest speed of free all

Even if you were able to take the Moon and gently set it down on the Earth's surface, it would still collapse. The major factor holding the Moon, Earth and other large celestial bodies together in a spherical shape is gravity, not the material strength of its substance. As a matter of fact, the major reason why they are spherical in the first place is because gravity is strong enough to force them into that shape. This means that the forces generated by gravity are strong enough to overwhelm the inherit structural integrity of the rocks and minerals that make these bodies up, causing them to break, stretch and morph until a low energy, overall spherical shape is attained.

So think about the rocky material that makes up the Moon. It is held in place mostly by its gravitational self-attraction. When you take the Moon and set it on the Earth, which has much stronger gravity, the material that composes the Moon will be more strongly attracted to the Earth than it is to the rest of the material in the Moon. This will cause it to break apart and fall towards the Earth.

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that's what I c the moon more Likely doing sins it's pritty much sitting still comperted to the speed it moves away from us .now if I was to watch over a hour the moon head to earth at them speed how many time would the earth spin .if the moon was to get here from where it is with in a year yes no hope at all , that's only 365 revs but if it takes 1000 years that's 365000 rev .its only take a couple 1000 house power to move the earth of it axis a little so the moon would be less....

Why does it matter how long it takes for the Moon to reach the Earth? The actual impact itself will last only a moment.

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And I sed about a super cooling to make the surface stronger

(1) How exactly do you think that making the surface of the Earth colder will make it stronger? If you put a rock in the freezer, how much stronger do you think it will become and why?
(2) How do you propose that this hypothetical "super cooling" of yours is created? Stirring up a liquid will add kinetic energy to it, ultimately causing its temperature to increase (assuming it isn't hotter than other surrounding matter such as air and stone). The temperature will become much greater once the Moon reaches the Earth's atmosphere. Adiabatic heating caused by the entry will massively increase the air temperature.

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they say b4 the first ice age they wasn't really much ice then some how have a ice age with cycles , so to me something happen on a massive long scale not a short scale .wouldnt the thickness and temp of the surface need to be charge permanently not a event smashing the surface apart rasing surface temps

So you think that automatically means that the Moon impacting the Earth was the cause of the Ice Ages? That's an unfounded conclusion. There are other more rational ways that the Earth can go through cooling periods such as clouds from large volcanic eruptions or changing ocean currents due to plate tectonics.

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Also what if the surface was cooler and thicker that when it did crack it was like when u step on ice and brake though where the ice brakes around ur foot but not under the foot leaving a hole peace with the imprint of ur sole on it

Once again, how does the surface being cooler help with anything? The analogy with ice is flawed because it assumes that the forces involved are relatively small. When two astronomical bodies collide, the forces are anything but small.

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now say when the moon hit it broke the same way but with  laws of physics of gravity around 0 sin  u got  a reverse gravity

Wait, how do you figure gravity is going to reverse? Based on what reasoning? One of the functions which affects the strength of gravitational attraction is the distance involved. As the Moon and Earth get closer, the strength of the gravitational attraction between them will increase exponentially (gravity is a square law force, halving the distance between two bodies increases the attraction between them four-fold). At the moment of impact, the attraction will be stronger than at any other time when it was heading towards the Earth.

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,so now laws of physics of motion is pushing out and exploding between the moo and earth .all I'm saying is just maybe ...... Maybe when u look up at the moon and c the round dark spots that make the man in moon maybe they r presser marks

Now you're invoking a magical explosion that can push the Earth and Moon apart? Where does the explosion come from? Do you realize just how much energy would be required to separate such large objects? You're going to need quite a potent energy source to create such an explosion. You'd also need to explain why such a titanic energy burst wouldn't massively damage the Earth and Moon in the process.

We can calculate the energy required to accelerate an object with the mass of the Moon to the escape velocity of Earth:

Ek = 0.5mv2
Ek = 0.5 x (7.3477 x 1022 kilograms) x (11,186 meters per second)2
Ek = 4.597 x 1030 joules

To put that in perspective, this is between 10 million and 100 million times the energy released during the impact of the Chicxulub meoteorite. It's estimated that 75% or more of extant life at the time was killed by that impact. What would an explosion millions of times greater in magnitude cause? Technically, the energy required is somewhat lower than what is calculated, since we are not sending the Moon off into deep space but merely raising it into a high orbit (~239,000 miles away). Nonetheless, this calculation demonstrates that the required energy to do that is still incredible.

We have a much more plausible explanation for the Lunar seas than this "Earth Collision Theory", and that is that a large asteroid impact pierced the Moon's crust in the past, causing molten rock to flow onto the surface and solidify into relatively smooth, dark patches on the surface.

You seem to be saying "maybe" an awful lot. That doesn't make you sound very confident in your own assertions.

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Also everyone talking about comets hit the earth, but they r high speed impacts ,the moon hitting will be a low speed impact witch makes all the differents .tap a peace of glass with a marble and most likely do nothing but throw it at the glass and it shatters along with the marble ,it makes all the differents

How do you know it will be a "low speed impact"? Have you calculated how fast the Moon would be moving? It's irrelevant anyway, as I explained before that the major force holding the Earth together is gravitational attraction and not material strength. A marble and a piece of glass get their shape and strength from molecular bonds. The difference is all down to scaling laws. The two situations are not at all comparable.

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What I'm saying about gravity is as the moon start to slowly move towards earth first the water wood slowly be dragged to below the closes point to the moon but with the earth still spinning below the water keeping it stured sand stoping it going hard,pressing the water cooler and denser than the deeps past of the ocean now.

Nope. Stirring a liquid will make it hotter (assuming it is in thermal equilibrium with the air). See what I said above. Also, water is very resistant to being compressed, so that's a factor that can be ignored here. By the way, compression makes things hotter, not cooler.

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when the moon get much closer it gravity on earth wood get much stronger .same as earth on the moons gravity .changing the way gravity is acting at the closes points of the 2 ,making earth act like the moon and the moon acting like having 0 gravity.

Nope again. I explained this earlier.

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now at some point laws of physics of motion on the earth surface would come in to play , sins we spin at 1650 kmh and if any object moving away from this planet at them speed it's only leaving earth

1,650 kilometers per hour is far below the escape velocity of the Earth (which is actually in excess of 40,000 kilometers per hour). Not that it matters anyway, as the Moon and Earth are moving towards each other in this hypothetical scenario and not away from each other.

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so now when the moon hit u got pressers and explosive forces pushing the moon away coz laws of physics of motion is trying to push the earth surface out coz of the lower gravity afect ,it don't need to be neat just got to work

This seems to be a summary of what you've said before, so I've already explained why this is wrong.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 17/11/2013 11:00:08
ok thats long so ill do bit by bit ....with the water like i sed it wood be like a super tide having it weight change by the moon so it can start to stack it self on top of it self . now the heighter it get it will get colder and try to freeze but being miked by the earth spinning (like a frozen coke machine)now every thing u say is true 99% and i know that but im talking about that 1% of maybe....the speed the moon coming does matter yes its will happen for just 1 moment thats all im saying them have to hold out for but hoiw long the moon gets here does matter sins it will give the moon time sitting in earth  atmosphere and in the very water cooling the earth. yes a rock will not get stronger in the freezer but im talking about is more like a length of hot steel or rock being frozen at one end ,after some time the cool will transure from 1 end to the other,with earth  that would be a thicking of the surface .now u r sayin how bi the explosion will be when the surfaces do brake .the differents this time its got a lot of water around it and we know what happens when u put a water pack on explosives comperd to no water pack ,so for the very 1st moment the water should be containing the explosion and directing 2 ways up and down........and it not the moon who need to not to have it surface completely shatted only earth making it go away with minimal damage
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 17/11/2013 11:01:06
ice age was a maybe and could be added with the rest
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 17/11/2013 11:25:32
i know compression make thing hot its how a diesal engine works im saying water can be really cold when dense ,the deeps parts of the ocean show that . im not talking about the earth and moons gravity on its self im talking about what on them (water that does change )and maybe the surface and some of what under it will have the same affect happen ,now adding motion pushing out its adds more again
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 17/11/2013 11:33:49
40000 kmh i know that but isnt that for going around the earth so ur side way force = u free fall force so u can sit a single height from earth .im talk about the presser behind the surface leaving the planet straight out. pressers now giving extra support to the surface (with it being thicker) 
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 17/11/2013 13:02:05
Also wouldn't there atomic try explodes in the same way a gun try atomic bomb works plus compression . when the surface cracks around the impact witch is  surrounded by water .and like the same way a comet can explode b4 impact couldn't it explode but this time is not just 1 chuck of matter its much bigger and over and over ,,,, for 1 moment u have a natural internal combustion event
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 17/11/2013 13:25:44
I say maybe not coz I don't really think it could happen .i say maybe coz right now it seems to be only impossible but all it need to be is a maybe to possible of happening .to tell the truth intill a hour b4 wrighting on here I have never thought this could or had happened sins no one has ever sed anything about it .but after having a little look at whAt moon truth was talking about I thought it was possible and I want to work out if it can happen sins it can make sense
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Post by: distimpson on 17/11/2013 15:53:27
..The mainstream is stuck in the mainstream, with no way to get out, not without admitting they were wrong about everything in the past.

No question, "wrong about everything" is a tough sell, after several hundred years of effort the various accepted theories survive because of agreement with observations.

First question, how could this happen? As the other folks here have mentioned, a bouncing mechanism is not viable.

You could use a gravity simulator to come up with a mechanism but you would have to assume the work of Newton and others has some merit. I really like this site, !!caution!!, if you think science is fun you may find it very additive: http://www.testtubegames.com/gravity.html (http://www.testtubegames.com/gravity.html)

Neglecting all other physical effects and making a lot of other assumptions, a"kissing orbit" may fit but I think that would have been noticed by now, so only offered here for fun:
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 01:19:11
kissing orbit does fit best ,and it proble has been notice many time but that is as far as it goes coz even b4 they look in to it they say the surface of the moon and earth wouldnt hold out so its desmisted and not given the time
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 01:57:49
also with the event of a mar size planet hitting us.if a eart quake can move the earth orbit axis by a couple of cms and if possable it would only take a couple 1000 horse power to move the earth .so if it did happn with out the object being part of ow orbit wouldnt it have massive afects on where ow orbit. wouldnt we  way to close to the sun or way to far from the sun .wouldnt that have massive temp changes not the little changes that we can c.also wouldnt it be a bit like it is with the moon ,u can jump a little but jump to much woooops.so with what im saying with a oject on a diffenent orbit hitting us wouldnt it be very clear to tell.the only other this would be earth had a second moon but again wouldnt to clear to tell...and if we where to be hit on ow side wouldnt we be aball to tell coz the earth would be out of sync with the other planets.....also so this would only be miner but as the moon spin around earth would the suns gravity have affect to .not much but a little bit of destorion
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 02:02:09
thing change all the time like just now it looks like they have find the olds life on earh wright here in outback australia . the life is 3,500,000,000 years old
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Post by: Kryptid on 18/11/2013 03:45:02
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ok thats long so ill do bit by bit

When many points need addressing, that'll happen. I'd like to address all the points.

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....with the water like i sed it wood be like a super tide having it weight change by the moon so it can start to stack it self on top of it self . now the heighter it get it will get colder and try to freeze but being miked by the earth spinning (like a frozen coke machine) and in the very water cooling the earth. yes a rock will not get stronger in the freezer but im talking about is more like a length of hot steel or rock being frozen at one end ,after some time the cool will transure from 1 end to the other,with earth  that would be a thicking of the surface .now u r sayin how bi the explosion will be when the surfaces do brake .the differents this time its got a lot of water around it and we know what happens when u put a water pack on explosives comperd to no water pack ,so for the very 1st moment the water should be containing the explosion and directing 2 ways up and down........and it not the moon who need to not to have it surface completely shatted only earth making it go away with minimal damage

It should be pointed out that when putting an explosive in a bucket of water, the mass of the water is comparable or even larger than the mass of the explosive. This is nowhere near true for this case. For example, the oceans make up only 0.023% of the Earth's total mass and have 1.9% of the Moon's mass. We can probably visualize this better by imagining a scaled-down version of the Earth. Let's imagine shrinking the Earth down to the size of a basketball (about 24 centimeters in diameter). The deepest point the ocean on this tiny Earth, the Marianas Trench, would be only 0.33 millimeters deep. The thickest part of the Earth's crust would be about 1 millimeter thick. A sphere this size with the same density as the Earth would weight a bit less than 40 kilograms. 0.023% of 40 kilograms is 9.2 grams. So a basketball-sized Earth would have only 9.2 grams of water in all of its oceans. Doesn't sound like that's going to do much cushioning. This doesn't even consider that the water is liquid and would therefore be easily pushed out of the way by the solid Moon, allowing it to impact the crust of the Earth which lies below it.

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now every thing u say is true 99% and i know that but im talking about that 1% of maybe....

Maybe the Moon is actually made of cheese. Maybe the Earth is actually flat. Maybe Bigfoot lives in my kitchen cabinet.

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the speed the moon coming does matter yes its will happen for just 1 moment thats all im saying them have to hold out for but hoiw long the moon gets here does matter sins it will give the moon time sitting in earth atmosphere

As I've pointed out, it can't hold out for even a moment. The crust is too weak to support the Moon's weight.

Although there is no definite boundary between the Earth's atmosphere and outer space, an altitude of 100 kilometers is often cited as the standard starting point of space. 75% of the mass of the atmosphere is within 11 kilometers of the Earth's surface (the pressure and density are much lower at high altitudes). Let's go back to our scaled-down Earth. The 100-kilometer boundary is 1.9 millimeters thick, and the 11-kilometer boundary is 0.21 millimeters thick. This should be a good example to help you visualize just how thin of a skin the air is around the Earth. The scaled-down Moon, by comparison, is 6.55 centimeters in diameter (similar in size to a tennis ball). The thickness of the atmosphere is practically nothing in comparison. It's not going to do anything to stop such a large object.

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ice age was a maybe and could be added with the rest

Good. Let's go ahead and not consider that one further then.

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i know compression make thing hot its how a diesal engine works im saying water can be really cold when dense ,the deeps parts of the ocean show that .

The reason that the depths of the ocean are cold is because they are cut off from most of the warming rays of the Sun, not because they are under pressure or "dense" (density there is almost no different than it is on the surface).

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im not talking about the earth and moons gravity on its self im talking about what on them (water that does change )and maybe the surface and some of what under it will have the same affect happen ,now adding motion pushing out its adds more again

As I've pointed out, there is much too little water on Earth to do any significant cushioning, no matter how you choose to arrange it.

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40000 kmh i know that but isnt that for going around the earth so ur side way force = u free fall force so u can sit a single height from earth .im talk about the presser behind the surface leaving the planet straight out. pressers now giving extra support to the surface (with it being thicker)

No, it's not for going around the Earth. 40,000 kilometers per hour is the speed required to escape when traveling directly up and against the pull of gravity.

How is pressure going to give extra support? Adding pressure to a surface should weaken it, not strengthen it.

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Also wouldn't there atomic try explodes in the same way a gun try atomic bomb works plus compression . when the surface cracks around the impact witch is  surrounded by water .and like the same way a comet can explode b4 impact couldn't it explode but this time is not just 1 chuck of matter its much bigger and over and over ,,,, for 1 moment u have a natural internal combustion event

It would seem that your first language isn't English and I don't mean to insult you for that. However, this particular part is rather difficult for me to understand. If you can find a way to rephrase it, I would be appreciative.

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I say maybe not coz I don't really think it could happen .i say maybe coz right now it seems to be only impossible but all it need to be is a maybe to possible of happening .to tell the truth intill a hour b4 wrighting on here I have never thought this could or had happened sins no one has ever sed anything about it .but after having a little look at whAt moon truth was talking about I thought it was possible and I want to work out if it can happen sins it can make sense

Well don't worry about what MOON TRUTH has said, because his theory is imconceivable. Even if he is correct about there being perfect correlations between the features on the Earth and the Moon, it would actually be more plausible (even if it is also ridiculous) to assume that advanced alien sculpters created the features artificially. At least the existence of aliens wouldn't violate the laws of physics. I consider it most likely that his discoveries represent a coincidence. I would like to go on the suggestion of the others and check out the surface features of Mars or Mercury to see if correlations seem to pop up as well.

As far as what Distimpson has said about a kissing orbit, it simply doesn't match the observed way that the Moon orbits.

Here's another question to address: what is it that causes the Moon to come towards the Earth in the first place? Please don't say magnetic attraction as MOON TRUTH suggested, because it is completely unworkable. The Earth's magnetic field is similar in strength to a fridge magnet. If you hold two common magnets even a meter apart, you can't even feel the magnetic attraction between them. Now imagine placing them 239,000 miles apart. There is no way such weak fields over such a great distance can have any effect.

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also with the event of a mar size planet hitting us.if a eart quake can move the earth orbit axis by a couple of cms and if possable it would only take a couple 1000 horse power to move the earth .

Please give a reference for your 1,000 hp figure.

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so if it did happn with out the object being part of ow orbit wouldnt it have massive afects on where ow orbit. wouldnt we  way to close to the sun or way to far from the sun .wouldnt that have massive temp changes not the little changes that we can c.also wouldnt it be a bit like it is with the moon ,u can jump a little but jump to much woooops.so with what im saying with a oject on a diffenent orbit hitting us wouldnt it be very clear to tell.the only other this would be earth had a second moon but again wouldnt to clear to tell...and if we where to be hit on ow side wouldnt we be aball to tell coz the earth would be out of sync with the other planets.....also so this would only be miner but as the moon spin around earth would the suns gravity have affect to .not much but a little bit of destorion

The impact with Theia probably would have changed the Earth's orbit somewhat, yes. However, we have to keep in mind that the impact with Theia occured when the Earth was inhospitable and devoid of life. So even if it wasn't in the "right place" before the Theia impact, it only matters that it is in the right place afterwards.
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 04:13:57
ok b4 i read all that u seem to can calculate better than me can u check some thing.now the moon is moving away at 3.8 cms a year so say sins its not moving its a bit easyer to work out from a start to a finish ....now protend to reverse time wouldnt under the laws of gravity, wouldnt the moon have would of be at the earth surface 2.55 billion years ago (give and take ) and like i sed b4 it loks like life was here 3.5 billion years ago
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 04:15:18
remember im doing this in my head and with a calculator
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Post by: Kryptid on 18/11/2013 04:24:54
Assuming that the Moon has been moving away from the Earth at a constant rate (which is probably not true, due to the inverse-square law attraction that gravity has), then 2.55 billion years ago, the Moon would be 96,900 kilometers away from the Earth.

I would also like to introduce the concept of the Roche Limit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit)

The Roche Limit is the closest possible stable orbit that one object can have with a larger object. If the smaller object approaches within this limit, gravitational forces with break the object up and ultimately destroy it (although the debris can potentially form into a pretty ring around the planet). For the Moon, this limit is somewhere between 9,000 and 19,000 kilometers away from the Earth (depending on how rigid or fluid the Moon's material is). If the Moon were to manage to enter this region, it wouldn't survive.
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 04:26:45
what about the earth being pulling to the moon
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 04:27:54
the moon is 60% the density of earth
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 04:30:58
thats also go with what im sayin about how the surfaces mite hold out ...we know it dont matter if it is a solid liquid or gas every thing have resistions and cant just instenly join
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Post by: Kryptid on 18/11/2013 04:33:27
Perhaps I should have put the thing about the Roche Limit in a new post. You should go back and take a look at the edit to my earlier post.

If we assume that the Moon slowly spirals inwards towards the Earth in a decaying orbit, it will pass through the Roche Limit and break up. That's another reason MOON TRUTH is wrong.
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 04:50:55
i c that and i have only had a quick think on that but i was focust first on the earth surface but what going thought my head is how far the atmosphere would be expanded outwards ,sin u have a liquid body moving around the earth dragging air with it after a bit it mite start looking the jupiter ring ,now with massive wind speeds. the presser of the air mite start to rise the atmophere 1000s of kms .this winds wood be oing 1650 kms making a vacuum afect at the poles areas to add more air ....remember this air is being cool as it passes the water
 
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 04:53:05
and thats if the moon doent have a tide like afect on air if it does it would much easyer for the air to do this ......and maybe not 1650 kmh but it will be trying to
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Post by: Kryptid on 18/11/2013 05:02:49
How is that supposed to make this Moon impact event more likely? I've already pointed out that the oceans and atmosphere are too shallow and lightweight to stand any shadow of a chance at stopping the likes of the Moon.
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 05:21:50
like i sed it more about the earth surface surviving more than the moons surface .i do c the moon braking but with winds of them speed the peaces braking u mite be pushed to the side but the point is the moon will come in contact with a cool force early than normal ,then sit in most of the earths water and when it hit and brakes around the impact spot witch is surounded by water ..it would explode like a firecracker in a close fist and not like cracker going off in a open hand big differents......................and justy to let u know english is my first language i live in australia born and bread but i left school in year 8 and teached mky self to read and wright coz school didnt help my much
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 05:43:48
anyway so 2.55 billion years age the moon could of been 3/4 of its way here so that would mean 3.18 billion years ago(not including acceleration of the moon or the earth acceleration to the moon) the moon was at earth surface ...well it looks like life was around b4 that and that dont match up witch the moon being maked by a impact on earth .
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Post by: Kryptid on 18/11/2013 06:09:29
If I must, I will summarize once again why the Earth's surface cannot survive this:

(1) The crust is not strong enough to hold the weight of the Moon (much less an explosion powerful enough to push it back out into orbit). It is held together more by gravity than by molecular bonding strength.
(2) The water and air of the Earth, regardless of how fast they may be moving, how cold they are or how you choose to arrange them, simply lack enough force/density/quantity to make any difference. Don't forget that if you were to shrink the Earth down to the size of a basketball, the atmosphere and oceans would represent a thin, millimeter-scale skin around it. That's nothing to a baseball-sized object like the mini-Moon.
(3) Remember that energy quantity I calculated earlier? 4.597 x 1030? It turns out that the actual explosion would probably need to be very much more energetic than that. This is because my calculation made a simplified assumption that the explosion would somehow be able to transform all of its energy into the kinetic energy of the Moon. In reality, a large percentage of the energy would not be available to do this. A lot of it would go into heating and melting the surfaces of the Earth and the Moon. Some would go into blowing part of the atmosphere off. Some would go into generating shockwaves, sound waves and fissures. If we want to push the Moon away, we need much more energy than the original calculation. This is doubly true because we not only need to push the Moon to near the escape velocity of the Earth, but we also need to be able to stop it cold (since it would be moving towards the Earth at the moment of impact and thus would have a considerable amount of kinetic energy that would need to be overcome). Even if the Moon were moving at a snail's pace of 10 meters per second when it reached Earth, that's still going to be 3.67 x 1024 joules of kinetic energy to overcome. This is comparable to the Chicxulub meteorite impact. In any realistic scenario, the Moon will be travelling much, much faster than 10 meters per second upon impact.

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anyway so 2.55 billion years age the moon could of been 3/4 of its way here so that would mean 3.18 billion years ago(not including acceleration of the moon or the earth acceleration to the moon) the moon was at earth surface ...well it looks like life was around b4 that and that dont match up witch the moon being maked by a impact on earth .

My mistake. I made a faulty assumption in my original calculation. The Moon would actually be 96,900 kilometers closer to Earth 2.55 billion years ago. That wasn't the absolute distance. The actual distance is 142,100 kilometers away from Earth. So now that I've identified that error, let me calculate the distance for 3.18 billion years ago. Turns out it is 120,840 kilometers closer than it is now (an absolute distance of 118,160 miles away). These calculations actually suggest that it would be about 6.29 billion years ago when the Moon and Earth were together. However, I would like to strongly emphasize that the speed that the Moon is moving away from the Earth has almost certainly changed over time, making all of these figures wrong.
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 06:42:00
going by 6.29 billion that would mean the moon would arrive only 2.5 x quicker than when it left ,and still that dont match the 4.5 billion years that the gaint impact was ment to happen .plus with it leaving earth the basic rule of what goes up must come down
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Post by: Kryptid on 18/11/2013 06:54:11
Just in case you missed my final sentence in my last post, I will repost it:

However, I would like to strongly emphasize that the speed that the Moon is moving away from the Earth has almost certainly changed over time, making all of these figures wrong.

As far as "what goes up must come down" goes, you are right. The Moon is eventually predicted to stop moving away from us and begin to have its orbit decay until it comes into the Roche Limit and breaks up. However, this is currently estimated to happen billions of years from now.
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 07:22:02
i didnt miss it just to me the likely hood of a second gaint impact hitting the moon changng it speeds is more unlikly than the moon was formed the same way planet and sun r formed
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 07:26:34
now if i had a block of ice and had it sitting on a rock for millions of year u cant tell me the cool temp wasnt be transfured thought the rock,,,,,so what im say is the cooling on the surface would transfur into to the upper lay of the earths core changing past of it from a liquid to a solid or semi soild
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 07:34:47
also when the moon got so close to the earth and the earth blocked the sun wouldnt the temp of the visible side of the start to act like the dark side dropping down to around -153 c for millions of years
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 07:57:18
Will the oceans being cool coz of no sun light there will no even less chance of sun light when they so much water build up coz of the extra affect of the moons gravity
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Post by: Kryptid on 18/11/2013 08:33:47
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i didnt miss it just to me the likely hood of a second gaint impact hitting the moon changng it speeds is more unlikly than the moon was formed the same way planet and sun r formed

That's not the proposed way that the speed would have been changed. The reason its speed of movement away from the Earth has changed is because of the pull of Earth's gravity. Over time, the pull from the Earth would have slowed the Moon down to its current speed of 3.82 centimeters per year. In the past, the Moon had more kinetic energy and thus would have been moving away from the Earth more quickly. It has nothing to do with a second impact.

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now if i had a block of ice and had it sitting on a rock for millions of year u cant tell me the cool temp wasnt be transfured thought the rock,,,,,so what im say is the cooling on the surface would transfur into to the upper lay of the earths core changing past of it from a liquid to a solid or semi soild

Yes, it will transfer. At least initially. It all depends on the specific parameters (the masses of the ice and the rock, their shapes, the temperature of the environment that they are in, etc.). In principle, cooling on the Earth's surface would cool its interior as well. However, the change in temperature will be extraordinarily small. Most probably too small to detect with current technology. If you want to cool the core, you'll have to move heat out of the core. This is happening right now (since the Earth is not a perfect thermal insulator). However, it is happening extremely slowly as the main source of heat escaping from the planet is in the form of volcanic eruptions.

Still, you should consider the numbers. You want to cool the crust with icy-cold water. Don't forget that the oceans only make up for 0.023% of the Earth's total mass. The lithosphere (the crust and upper mantle) makes up around 2.2% of the mass. The lower mantle is 68.4%. The core is 27.5%. If you are going to try to cool down the crust, you should remember that you have all of that heat in the interior working against you. You're trying to cool the crust with 0.023% of the Earth's mass while more than 95% of the Earth's mass is trying to heat it up from the other side. You'll also need to consider just how hot the interior is. The mantle ranges from 500 - 4,000 degrees Celsius (the deeper you go, the hotter it gets), the outer core from 4,400 - 6,100 degrees Celsius, and the inner core 5,430 - 5,960 degrees Celsius. The interior has the clear advantage.

Go back to my original shrunken Earth. This is equivalent to trying to cool a mass of hot rock and metal (ranging from 500 to 6,100 degrees Celsius) weighing 17 kilograms with 9 grams of water or ice. If you put 9 grams of ice onto this, what's going to happen? It's going to melt very quickly and will have no obvious impact on the temperature or solidification of the rock.

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also when the moon got so close to the earth and the earth blocked the sun wouldnt the temp of the visible side of the start to act like the dark side dropping down to around -153 c for millions of years

The Earth already can block out the Sun on the Moon. It's called a lunar eclipse. The only way that you can have a permanent lunar eclipse would be if the orbital period of the moon were adjusted in such a way that it took 1 year to go around the Earth. Normally it takes 1 month. In order to achieve this, it would have to be placed much further away from the Earth than it currently is. This is the opposite of what you want to accomplish.

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Will the oceans being cool coz of no sun light there will no even less chance of sun light when they so much water build up coz of the extra affect of the moons gravity

Doesn't matter. Even if the entire world oceans were as cold as ice, they simply do not have the mass required to compete with the thermal influence of the Earth's interior. I demonstrated this earlier.
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 09:19:08
At the start I all ways was talking about cool the areas around about the equator not the whole planet .now with that in mine it's only cool parts of earth and ceiling volcanos in them areas but leaving polar area to stay active and open more up to release presser and heat .also keeping it live aball for life in same areas .iv always been talking about a ring of super cooled surface
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 09:22:19
With the moon I'm talking more about how the time the moon visible face has sun light will become less and less
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 09:40:52
Ok with how long for the moon to get here  sorry my folt. I thought u was talking about something different .i know what u r talking .im talking about the same thing I'm trying to work out .all I'm aball to work out right now is if we r at the last 1% of the cycle not including the earth moving toward the moon it would by around the 2.55 billion mark
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 13:50:42
Ok iv been thinking .... first I want to start with the moon forming ,maybe the moon did brake off earth but not after it had formed but at the start and not coz of a giant impact. Now b4 I get on that .wouldnt after a gaint impact happen and b4 it been given a orbit wouldn't it follow the stronger gravity no matter where it sits but with the moon it line with the solar system not the earth axis .witch is fun coz the earth gravity should be stronger.now we know the earth and moon r related like family in what it's made of so what if when the earth formed maybe oxidation on the iron around the core made it weaker and a little bit uneven making it off weigh and egg shaped with the tip broke off as it was spinning (making twins ) this way once split the afect of the sun gravity would be the main building for the moons orbit around earth coz of the strength of the suns gravity....... Now the second think I thought ,when I was looking at moon truth pic he was talking about.yes I could c what he was going on about but the moon was about 2/3 the size of earth (by the pic I saw)so this is a bit crazy but what if when the moon start to get really close and hits the Roche point instead of just braking up it does something different .now the moon is related To earth in what it's made of ,now the moon is 60% density of earth but only at 1/4 the size of earth .so maybe as earth gravity start to have the  same afect on the moon as the earth gravity on earth , so insted of 1 braking up what if the moon start trying and act the same way as earth and baloon out to match the denity to size as earths witch would be around 60% or 2/3 of earth.also that could have a jelly afect making it rest better on earth for earth to not conlapes and be aball to try and flick it off earth surface.now if the temp of the moon is the reason for the smaller size then the soild state of it is much stronger than if it was the same thickens as earth .plus being smaller it will be stronger and much harded to join the earth b4 lossing it's motion and earth spinning pushing it back out
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Post by: RD on 18/11/2013 18:19:37
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How about using a spellchecker ?, (your internet browser probably has one built-in) .
A paragraph now and again would be welcome too, rather than an incomprehensible stream of consciousness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_consciousness_%28narrative_mode%29).
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Post by: Kryptid on 18/11/2013 22:19:37
Your arguments are all wild speculation. You keep saying "maybe" and "what if". I think I have sufficiently explained why the scenario is impossible. I suggest you start doing some scientific research and math to support your ideas. It's ultimately up to the theorist to prove his ideas and not the detractors to disprove them. Until you can present a compelling case that demonstrates that the numbers can support your assertions, I think I'm done here.
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 23:11:11
I'm on my phone .my theory ONLY start about a hour b4 my first post .i havnt been thinkijng about for years.my theory is happen as we speak ,so sorry if its not straight forward as u like but isnt that how this stuff happen to work out if something is possible or not  ............................im just trying to make sense of moon truth pic of the moon having to be much bigger at impact  .:...ok I'll sit down for a sec jump on the computer and look around...plus i thought with possible evidence .that all this r possible in till proven impossible.............now yes u have proven many time over and over how the moon couldnt of hit the earth but all ofb them r under current conditons and not under possible changing condtions ...even if there was only a 1% change at importent stages there could be chain reactions that having diffenent affect at a larger scale.i though truth finding was about being open to all possibles if evidence show even a slite chance.yes pyhics is pyhics but we r still only just scratching the surface of it .in 10 years time there will be things we dont know now and thing we think is right now will not be right later
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 18/11/2013 23:38:53
Ok have a quick look but in not going to stick with this ... If I was u use the expansion theory for gravity at the time of the moon expanding the gravity would increase above its natural limits when ballooning out and increasing speed at the last stages b4 impact ..now when it has reach = size denity at earth the moon natural limits of the moons gravity would try to bring the moon back to its normal size .... By that theory that would mean at that time the gravity would hugely decreace or Even reverses ....... Now I'm not going to stick with that .but what do u c a 0 gravity mass or even reversed gravity mass do spinning around the earth.........plus i was just having a quick look at wiki about the inner core and i saw this ............Speculation also continues that the inner core might have exhibited a variety of internal deformation patterns. This may be necessary to explain why seismic waves pass more rapidly in some directions than in others. Because thermal convection alone appears to be improbable,[24] any buoyant convection motions will have to be driven by variations in composition or abundance of liquid in its interior. S. Yoshida and colleagues proposed a novel mechanism whereby deformation of the inner core can be caused by a higher rate of freezing at the equator than at polar latitudes,[25] and S. Karato proposed that changes in the magnetic field might also deform the inner core slowly over time.............also if the moon was that close for some time it would have an affect on the magnetic field
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Post by: Missynmax83 on 19/11/2013 01:20:38
Now that mite help me with what I'm try to make work,,,,, but I don't think expansion theory is the key sins that would mean that gravity isn't aball to be man made .....and for me that go against a idea I have of making a man made core witch I'm 90% shore would work after looking and thinking for years about the behavior of nuclear ,iron and nickel and adding 1or 2 other things with there behaviors that i think r missing  from what we know the core is made of.......................: now how about if the moon was to expand  coz of the affect of earth gravity making it act like on earth .     now with the moon resting on earth the rest of the moon mass start to catch up but instead of braking thought the earths surface it's start to stink back to its normal state triggered by a low level compressed whe pressing on earth .its only possible coz of the original state of the moon and it's relation with earth and not possible for any other planet or moon to do the same here.... Earths gravity mine release the denity to full size. witch mite ..now when it lands on earth the release of denity has only just happen and has not settled allowing it to be aball to contract with much lease presser than normal .now if there is any volcanos on the dark side of the moon they would also help to release presser ...the ballooning affect would help rejuice how the moon would be sitting in earth atmosphere ..... Now u have sed for me to prove this but intill we get to findly c a event like this , there no way of knowing for shore but for now all we can do is look for evidence of it happening b4 ...........then go to what moon truth pic show witch look like possible evidence .so coz of that we should ashoom the possiblely and use what we know to lay the road block and c if we can find a way around them with out them being possibles
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 19/11/2013 02:36:38
now i do have a possible way that the moon and earth could have a 0 gravity affect on each other when coming so close to each other but that works only with a theory of gravity of mine.my theory isnt wild and it works with my core idea and my core work with my idea of gravity.its really a daaaaa of course it is ,sort of thing coz its not a hard to belive idea of space been pulled or the almost impossible expansion.it briges both of the theorys of gravity but can be so basic to show a 10 year old in science class.now what if i sed directing a gravity or building a worm hole like tunnel or even be aball to fly in to a black hole and come back out was basic physics as heat water it will boil ...and it could be as simple to build as a car engine and not almost impossible as trying to find a way to bend space it self
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 19/11/2013 03:45:48
and b4 u ask how can u go into a black hole ....its coz my theory mean gravity has nothing to do with bending space meaning a black hole has a simple relation with every thin around us  ....and with making a core it wouldnt be much of a step to cositter making a man made black hole
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 19/11/2013 06:11:32
and sorry RD but i really did teach my self to read after i left school and it hard to even read over what i have wrote on my iphone b4 i post
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 19/11/2013 07:11:58
Ah shoot, I just realized how old this thread is. That's a shame. I was hoping MOON TRUTH might actually come out of the wood works and say something.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 19/11/2013 08:11:06
Me to .... Can I ask u a question , supercryptid ..what r u , uni student or teacher ?
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 19/11/2013 16:08:14
I graduated from college a while back. I have a Bachelor of Science degree in biology. Even though I'm not a teacher, I've considered it and may some day choose that route (as of now I work for UPS).

Let's not dwell too much on that in this thread, though. I don't want to get scolded by the moderators for going off-topic.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 20/11/2013 01:29:43
That's ok I just wanted to know how much u would know ..got one more for u what would happen if at the finial state when the moon was much closer , that when the moon past the sun for longer than now the earths and sun gravity on each other was blocked allowing the earth to go off orbit a little bit moving away from the sun ...,.2 now how would the Roche point act if there was a some what event on both where there gravitys start to cut in and out and at some points have 0 gravity ....please don't really ask how that could happen coz I don't want to talk on a open blog about that I wood like to only talk to the people that I should be talk to about how that can happen .but just think for a sec it can
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 20/11/2013 02:02:06
Gravity can't be blocked in that fashion.

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please don't really ask how that could happen coz I don't want to talk on a open blog about that I wood like to only talk to the people that I should be talk to about how that can happen .

I find this a strange statement. You make it sound like there is some kind of danger in discussing this.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 20/11/2013 04:02:40
I don't think it could be blocked like blocking light but I'm talkng about it being dictorbed and have gravity cutting in and out or changing streight .my theroy wood mean that a mini active core would be aball to be made out of common matirals for most of it .it would only be the power source that's has strict control .but a sub active core could be possible but gov, uni and even mayor industry witch is to many people aball to play around with out a full set of rules on safety layed Down.i have left this theroy alone for 10 years and I will let it alone for the rest of my life than to let it be open to anyone to test .i know this should only be tested by the right people .imagine some uni kids .a company or even a falled state making a full or sub active core with no knowing on how it's working and no knowing of any fall safe way of controlling it  .... The only words and sorry b4 I say that .but **** that .this is not about anything but the greater good .to tell the truth all this haunt me and stops me from fully injoy my life so I think I need to deal with it
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 20/11/2013 04:36:51
First of all, your theory of gravity is wrong. It is known for a fact that gravity has an effect on space-time. Altitude experiments have proven that time progresses more quickly at high altitudes than at low altitudes because the gravity is weaker at high altitudes. Gravity Prove B managed to measure distortions in the space around Earth caused by the combination of its gravity and rotation (the geodetic effect). Actually, the first confirmation of relativity came from the observation that starlight is bent by the Sun's gravity (and by precisely the amount that Einstein predicted it would). This is called gravitational lensing and has been observed for galaxies as well. GPS systems have to be programmed to take into account gravity's distortion on space-time in order for them to be accurate. There is so much support for the idea that gravity affect space-time that it is accepted as everyday reality by physicists and laymen alike. It's probably more appropriate to say that gravity is a kind of space-time distortion, to be honest.

Second of all, no existing technology can get anywhere near the Earth's core. The deepest holes drilled in the world are on the order of 12 kilometers deep. The inner core, on the other hand, starts around 5,150 kilometers beneath the surface. It will remain out of our reach for a very, very long time. Even if we could reach it, there is no way that we could affect it in any meaningful way because of its shear size. We are talking about an object over 2,000 kilometers in diameter.

What is this about an "active core" you are talking about? When it comes to gravity, the only important thing about the core is its mass. Gravity has nothing to do with what materials is made of other than their contribution to mass. If you think that the government is going to change the Earth's gravity by messing with the core, that is completely impossible and at odds with everything we know to be true of gravity.

Your new arguments don't make any more sense than your old ones. Gravity can't "cut in and out". It doesn't work that way. The Moon blowing up like a balloon? Seriously? Entering the Roche Limit is not going to have any such affect. The forces involved would stretch it out like a football until it broke up. Not only that, but you seem to believe that inflating the Moon will increase its gravity. The opposite would happen in reality.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 05:04:19
I have a another point about the moon ... Now if spacetime is bending wouldn't that mean that only the larger mass body would have any affect if any at only .i say this coz if u have a mass bending space lines and a different mass bending doing the same both of them would only be affected by its own gravity coz for a mass to be affected by 1 it would have to clime up hill of its own bending line and then come down the other side .and that Including the smaller mass having affect on the bigger mass witch they do.so under bending space the only way it would work is for to 2 masses to make a Channel in line of site witch would mean at the in of site gravity would have hugely lower gravity pull at the line of site and would also mean masses of the same size would have no affect on each other .so if gravity also has a pull on space it could pull over the bent lines but at the point that are almost touching the bent line would almost straighten out and gravity would have a massive lower affect and only really the motion doing anything .now that can work for the Roche point to have no affect on the moon at its later stage but .but again that should mean the moon gravity shouldnt have little affect of the other side of earth and a lease affect higher at the line of sites plus all orbit would have to be way of center. .so for gravity to work and not digging space and to affect all matter it would have to be polarized .that wood allow the bending of space to happen with no affect on each own bending but still pull each other.but with polarizing at some point the 2 polarizing bend will form 1 when the angels start to match and that would mean at the point when earth bending angels start to match the moon as they close they would form in to 1 angel with starting to channel bend at the Roche point and minamising the affect of the Roche point of earth gravity ,....so under bending space I think most or all planet could bounce at some point but if there is proof of the Roche point having a accelarated affect on a planet only a more logical reason for gravity would give Roche point streight and still allowing the moon to hit earth and not break up coz like most logical thing they have on and off  ,high low affect of each other 
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 06:06:09
Hey I'm not talking about time .the time part I think r right it don't mean its gravity .im talking about gravity having a logical reason .the moon is 1/4 the size of earth and 60% the denity of earth but only 1/6 of earth gravity so If gravity is based on mass the moons gravity should be 60% of earths or at less 1/4 of earth .but it's not  so to me that shows the moons core is working at a different rate meaning gravity has highs and lows not doing with mass but with the working of that mass at that time witch mean bigger is better if at full power .again we have seen with stars blowing up it turn into a 0 like mass body but with gravity supercharge in stead stopping shows it's to do with the working of the mass not just coz it's there .when I talk about a active core I'm talking about us making a real life mini core with its own gravity .u can't just turn something like that on with out it being in control state with rules and safety ...I would be happy to talk to about my gravity idea but not on a blog .coz the truth with the internet people can be who ever and I don't think just anyone should be aball to just test a real active core ..... And yes we can't get to the core .thats my point it's hard to tell but what I'm say is it missing the last peace witch makes it logical as matters and works with it
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 06:18:52
If I was to talk about it .i would go back to bacis .it would even give a idea what is going on in a black hole coz it works with thing we know work around us .i thought it for the ground up with my learning testing it and it keeps working ..... My theroy about the moon was under current theory's and not on a more logical reason
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 21/11/2013 06:29:53
If I understood that correctly, you're saying that there should be some point between the Earth and the Moon where the gravitational attraction of the two cancels out. This is true in a way. For a third, relatively small object at some set distance between the Earth and the Moon (called the L1 Langrangian point), the combination of the gravitational attraction between the Earth and the Moon (as well as the centripetal force acting on the third object) allows the third object to stay in an orbit at a fixed distance between the Earth and Moon and will keep in lock-step with the Moon as it orbits. The important thing to remember is that this is specific to the third body and not to the Moon and the Earth themselves. That is, it does nothing to prevent the Earth and the Moon from feeling a net gravitational attraction on each other.

The breaking up of a satellite that strays to close to its parent planet once it enters the Roche Limit is caused by tidal forces. The side of the Moon facing Earth experiences a stronger gravitational attractive force than the far side does. On the other hand, the far side of the Moon experiences a greater centrifugal force than the near side. The sum of these effects is that the Moon is put under a stretching force. When the Moon is far away, the stretching force is relatively weak and has little affect. However, as the Moon is brought into a closer orbit to the Earth (for whatever reason), the stretching force will increase. At some point, the stretching force will become more powerful than the forces holding the Moon together (mainly gravitational). This will make the Moon stretch and deform into an elongated shape, which makes the stretching force increase further in a positive feedback loop. This actually somewhat similar to what happens when an objects strays too close to a black hole (spaghettification).

The Roche Limit, therefore, will depend on how strong the forces are that hold the Moon together. The more strongly it is held together, the closer it can orbit the Earth without breaking up. However, due to scaling laws and a relative lack of structural integrity, there is most certainly a limit as to how close it can get before crumbling. Since gravity cannot be shut off, there is no way to prevent this from happening.

Additionally, I programmed a spreadsheet to crunch some numbers for me in order to help visualize just how important scaling factors are when it comes to the durability of a structure. I decided to model the crust of the Earth as an empty shell of pure quartz crystal (as silicon oxides are the major component of the crustal rock). I assumed it to be uniformly 50 kilometers thick (which is a very generous assumption by the way. I then used the spreadsheet to calculate the tensile and compressive strength of the crust at the equator (assuming a force is being along the axis of the poles. Then I divided that by the mass of the crust to get to a strength-to-weight ratio. I got a compressive strength-to-weight ratio of 0.006284 and a tensile strength-to-weight ratio of 0.000168.

Those numbers might not seem to have much meaning, but we can apply those same numbers to my hypothetical basketball-sized Earth I mentioned earlier to get a better visualizing of what they mean. If we were to assumed that the substance which makes up the crust of our tiny Earth has the same strength-to-weight ratio values as the real thing, then we can calculate the tensile and compressive strengths of that material. Turns out that it is approximately 0.0056 pounds per square inch (compressive) and 0.00015 pounds per square inch (tensile).

To put that in more visual terms, you can imagine a square slab of this material that is 1 foot long and 1 foot width (a total surface area of 1 foot). In order to crush or permanently deform this slab, a force of only 0.8 pounds distributed evenly over the surface is needed. A pillar of this material with a cross-sectional area of 1 square for would require only 0.0216 pounds of force to permanently stretch it or pull it apart. That means that this material is absurdly weak. I don't know how strong gelatin is, but my guess is that it's not far off from these values (it might even be stronger than this substance). These values are actually an overestimate, as it assumes that the crust is one big, solid crystal of quartz. In reality, the crust is broken up into different plates and layers and is laced with cracks and fault lines. It also has an uneven composition. Not to mention it's thinner in most places. That means the real crust is even weaker than my calculations would suggest.

So if you want to visualize a realistic mini-Earth the size of a basketball, you'd make the crust out of something akin to gelatin, with the internal structure made of some thick fluid like pudding or honey. The interesting thing about this is that making the crust thicker doesn't help. The most you could hope to do is to make this entire planet out of gelatin. A ball of solid gelatin is still really weak (and furthermore, the crust would be brittle, unlike squishy gelatin).
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 06:34:40
I know everything about spacetime test r getting results but I thing if they where to take gravity out of spacetime and into a produce of matter .some things was make sense with only being what is gravity the main missing key
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 21/11/2013 06:48:25
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Hey I'm not talking about time .the time part I think r right it don't mean its gravity .im talking about gravity having a logical reason .the moon is 1/4 the size of earth and 60% the denity of earth but only 1/6 of earth gravity so If gravity is based on mass the moons gravity should be 60% of earths or at less 1/4 of earth .but it's not

That's because mass alone does not determine the surface gravity that a celestial body has; the radius matters too.

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so to me that shows the moons core is working at a different rate meaning gravity has highs and lows not doing with mass but with the working of that mass at that time witch mean bigger is better if at full power

If you keep an object's mass constant, but increase its diameter, its gravitational force at the surface will decrease. Why? It's because gravitational force falls off with increasing distance. Being further from the center means that it has less of a pull on you. Imagine two scenarios. In one, the Moon is the size and mass it is now and we are at a position above its surface that is double its radius. This would mean that we feel a force only a quarter of what we would feel if we were standing on the surface. Now imagine a second scenario where the Moon is the same mass but has twice the diameter. If we were standing on its surface, we would still feel a force only a quarter what its current gravity is. This is because, in both scenarios, we are the same distance from the center of the Moon. So ultimately, only mass and distance are important considerations (except in special circumstances, where tension and pressure come into play. However, that is unimportant here).

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again we have seen with stars blowing up it turn into a 0 like mass body

The mass of an exploding star doesn't disappear. The remnants of the explosion carry its mass (as well as the radiation, since E=mc2). In the case where a stellar body is left behind (white dwarf, neutron star or black hole), there is still a large amount of mass locked up in there.

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but with gravity supercharge in stead stopping shows it's to do with the working of the mass not just coz it's there .

Stars explode due to runaway fusion reactions, not super-charged gravity (although gravitational collapse does play a role in the event).

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when I talk about a active core I'm talking about us making a real life mini core with its own gravity.

As far as anyone currently knows, gravity cannot be generated artificially. You need mass to generate a gravitational field. The stronger you want it, the more mass you need. If you want planet-like gravity then you need planet-like mass.

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u can't just turn something like that on with out it being in control state with rules and safety ...I would be happy to talk to about my gravity idea but not on a blog .coz the truth with the internet people can be who ever and I don't think just anyone should be aball to just test a real active core ..... And yes we can't get to the core .thats my point it's hard to tell but what I'm say is it missing the last peace witch makes it logical as matters and works with it

I assure you, your core idea will not cause any disasters, and that is because it won't do what you think it will.

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If I was to talk about it .i would go back to bacis .it would even give a idea what is going on in a black hole coz it works with thing we know work around us .i thought it for the ground up with my learning testing it and it keeps working ..... My theroy about the moon was under current theory's and not on a more logical reason

Be careful here, as black holes are extremely tricky beasts. Even when I think I've begun to understand them, I learn that they are weirder than I thought.

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I know everything about spacetime test r getting results but I thing if they where to take gravity out of spacetime and into a produce of matter .some things was make sense with only being what is gravity the main missing key

Except you can't take gravity out of space-time, as it is a space-time distortion. That would be akin to trying to take sound waves out of air and putting them in a vacuum. The very nature of what sound is makes it impossible for it to exist in a vacuum.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 21/11/2013 06:52:40
... the moon is 1/4 the size of earth and 60% the denity of earth but only 1/6 of earth gravity so If gravity is based on mass the moons gravity should be 60% of earths or at less 1/4 of earth

The mass of the Moon is only 1.23 % the mass of the Earth. (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/moonfact.html)

If the Moon and Earth had the same radius the surface gravity on the Moon would be 1.23 % that of Earth.
However the Moon’s radius is only  0.2731 that of Earth so the surface gravity on the moon is ...

0.0123 / (0.27312) = 1/6.06370813 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_gravity#Mass.2C_radius_and_surface_gravity) , i.e.  1/6 that of Earth.

Please relax Missynmax83, all is well : the moon is behaving as expected and is not falling to Earth.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 21/11/2013 07:53:17
The images on the left came from a map of Mercury. On the right are ones from the Moon.

By the way, yes, I did flip the Moon map.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 08:28:25
Ok it's starting to get hard with out giving In site to my theroy ... But first my core idea I'm not trying to talk much about coz not coz it won't work but I do believe the safes place to test in is in space and maybe with 2 more around earth to balance the afect of there gravity ....... Second
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 09:20:20
Under most theroy of gravity gravity is one way ...with my theroy gravity could be looked at as having 2 way but really it's a circuit
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 09:22:24
So see when the earth and moon come to close there interfere with each other's circuit.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 09:25:17
With this theroy it doent charge what we do know and it would work under basic circuit principle
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 10:33:26
And it's ok RD the only reason I'm looking in to the moon is coz of moon truths pic that made me think it was possible and have a good look if it did happen
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 14:29:36
Also the pic I saw of moon truth wasnt small little simlar impression .its was the hole North Pacific with high to low stamping and = high points of joining where being pulled apart.. That why I I'm taking it serious
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 21/11/2013 15:18:52
The images on the left came from a map of Mercury. On the right are ones from the Moon.

That should convince any reasonable person that corresponding patterns on the moon and other bodies are not due to the moon colliding with them. However I doubt it will convince MOON TRUTH (https://www.youtube.com/user/lowpricedpaint) who has recently gone completely round the bend : late October 2013 they posted the YouTube below claiming the the plot of a Japanese children's cartoon now is confirmation of their moon-hits-earth theory ... 

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 [ apparently "sailor moon" is a sci-fi cartoon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailor_Moon) ].
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 21/11/2013 20:16:53
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Ok it's starting to get hard with out giving In site to my theroy ... But first my core idea I'm not trying to talk much about coz not coz it won't work but I do believe the safes place to test in is in space and maybe with 2 more around earth to balance the afect of there gravity

Then send me a description of your theory in a personal message. That will be a private place where others cannot see it.

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That should convince any reasonable person that corresponding patterns on the moon and other bodies are not due to the moon colliding with them. However I doubt it will convince MOON TRUTH who has recently gone completely round the bend : late October 2013 they posted the YouTube below claiming the the plot of a Japanese children's cartoon now is confirmation of their moon-hits-earth theory ...

I guess that means the creators of that anime are in on some kind of Moon conspiracy then. He's definitely not helping his credibility.

Alright, I finally watched a few of MOON TRUTH's videos and I have to say that his evidence is anything but compelling. The patterns are far from an exact match. He sees two shapes that are somewhat similar and concludes that they must be related. What really gets me is how he can possibly think that the weather has any connection to surface features below the surface of the ocean. In one case, he even had to move a weather formation from the upper Atlantic Ocean down to the side of Australia in order to come up with a match. How is it remotely reasonable to think that features under the ocean beside Australia will create a weather pattern of similar shape a thousand miles north of it?

When it comes to the weather, you also have to keep in mind that it is constantly changing. By that fact along, if you wait around long enough then you will eventually see a cloud formation that looks coincidentally similar to something else ("that cloud looks like a bunny" mentality). MOON TRUTH is seeing what he wants to see. That's it. The fact that he has to assume that the Moon is four times larger than its actual size in order for his theory to have any chance of remotely working proves in and of itself that it is wrong (his version of the Moon would actually be slightly larger than the Earth. Interesting, isn't it?).
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 23:00:39
Ok I wish moon truth would come back and have a look at this blog .im not going on I thing I saw of his and not his hole theroy like nasa hiding it and nothing to do with weather .i just saw a possible and thought to strip it down .if he was to come back to here He would probley c that these is no conspiracy theory but it's impossible wright now so no one is wasting there time on dead ends.but like I sed I have a different theroy on gravity witch could possibly allow the moon to hit earth with out gravity destroying it.................. I'll get back to my theroy later today .i need to winded my head down for a bit coz I'm even dreaming about this stuff and sin my wife and I got the day off together we want to do something with the kids
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Post by: Kryptid on 21/11/2013 23:09:25
If MOON TRUTH came back, I seriously doubt the content of this thread would change his beliefs. People who adhere to conspiracy theories are particularly hard nuts to crack.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 23:13:00
That is true
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 23:29:35
B4 I do go for a couple hours .under my theroy it would also make everything circular and recycling at all levels
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 23:46:18
All under my theroy it would also give a better idea how matter ,motion and gravity affect time ...all I say the time space theory we go by now is so close
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 21/11/2013 23:57:35
And why it's doing it
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 22/11/2013 00:01:31
Well if you're not going to tell us how your theory works, then there isn't much sense in discussing it.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 22/11/2013 00:48:50
Truth is this is the first time I'm talk about this (and why I'm taking photo of all ow conversations) .so I am really sorry if I'm just open to talk about it but I'm also a bit scared sin Iv never really done much will this theroy so is never really affected my normal life .but I do believe that the people who have spent there hole life work on stuff like this deserve to be the first to test .sin they have done so much for us all.i do believe u maybe 1 of them people but in truth I don't know that for shore .i do want to talk about and will just give me a sec coz it's probly going to drag out long
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 22/11/2013 02:16:12
... under my theroy it would also make everything circular and recycling at all levels

Oh dear not another theory of "everything" :¬(

Quote from: ka9q.net/crackpots
Some warning signs of crackpot ...
6. Claims discovery of new physical theories, or comprehensive "theories of everything"
http://www.ka9q.net/crackpots/


If you want to separate your theory from the one in this thread started by MOON TRUTH, ( I know I would ),
you should start your own thread in the   nutter  "New Theories" section of the forum. (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?board=18.0)
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 22/11/2013 02:59:57
Probably unfair to insinuate that someone is a crackpot just because they have a new theory. I'd only consider them a crackpot if they continually insist that their theory is correct despite existing evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 22/11/2013 03:31:54
Probably unfair to insinuate that someone is a crackpot just because they have a new theory...

If it's a new "theory of everything" then it's definitely going to be crackpottery.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 22/11/2013 11:34:15
ok i just tryed to up load a video of me drawin this and it wont let me, so ok. and just to let u know i dont care how u think of me ,but all good............ok u have the electromagnetic spectrum. now my theory u making a circuit from nuclear center(gamma)to the magnitic field(0 hz) now that shouldnt do anything but with out getting in to the mechanics of what going on under the iron. my theory when at the ends (0 hz and high gamma) once the 2 bodys have a connection(iron ,nickel sitting on ? and nuclear) between the ends of the electromagnetic spectrum ,the guard bands areas cross round to connect, the 2 ends(beamforming). making the electromagnetic spectrum become circler, connecter by a circuit with gravity in the middle earthing all outward forces back . now this still wont work with out one missing peace witch is inbetween the nuclear center and the iron .but even with out it .the electic charge made around the nickel,iron with gold ,are been pulled to the nuclear center ,with its own magnetic field pulling inwards fueled by gamma radiation increasing proton pull (thats with out the missing mass ?) so what do u get just out of the spectrum.at one end u got a straight line out left and right plus forward(been beamform past 0) and the other end u have dead still (maybe be seen as a gravatron).so u got in the circuit area straight line going forward thought anything connected to a dead still spot all ankering back by a inwards pulling magnetic force fueled by gamma radiation.its the energy of the out force magnetic field been pulled back. so my theory is gravirty is a earthing circuit
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 22/11/2013 16:53:27
I am having a very hard time following what you are saying. When you say nuclear center, are you talking about an atomic nucleus? Gravity is hardly unique to iron, nickel and gold. The Sun has plenty of gravity and is almost entirely hydrogen and helium.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 01:22:10
When I'm talking about the center I'm just about the reaction going on my point is  both ends work together (circuit) so  with a more energy going out it's going to need a big pipe coming back.iron,nickel and gold r mainly the mechinics of one end .now with the hydrogen goes with what I'm saying and even explains why black holes r so stronge.ok 1 of the best antennas we can make is mu-metal witch a mainly a no key antenna but with 1 differents .its made by use hydrogen as a treatment making it 20 x better.so the sun center may be seen as have more mass .witch it does but really it's the fact that black hole and sun conlected most of the matter with the largest % available to conlect .but really it gave suns and black hole a much better out circuit of energy for the incircuit to grow stronger
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 01:44:53
Think of the electromagnetic spectrum as a loop antenna starting from 1end and finishing at the other and connected bya circuit .the other end seem to do nothing but really nothing works with out it
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 01:53:44
I could tell u all the missing mineral to make it all work with much streight and fits in to place but that's in my video I send to the uni .but I want to talk about the theory
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 02:05:37
With this theory nothing changes .its just add .like newton laws still r the same but add the fact if u interfere with the out circuit it's will change the in circuit.and bending space isn't just on one side but on all sides ,witch give time a distance to fall and making it what it should be .a bubble in 3d space.... Also add to the earth magnetic field having so much afect on earths gravity even know it's going the wrong way
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 02:22:00
This is circuit gravity
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 23/11/2013 02:34:05
I'm still having trouble following you. Are you talking about how gravity arises naturally or how to build a device that can generate artificial gravity? What does a black hole have to do with the Sun? Your theory needs to take into consideration the fact that the type of substance that an object is made of has no connection to the strength of its gravity other than the mass contribution of the that substance.

-The equation for calculating the surface gravity of a planet goes like this: g = GM/r2, where "g" is the acceleration due to gravity, "G" is the gravitational constant, "M" is the mass of the planet and "r" is the radius of the planet. As you can see, there is nothing in the equation that specifies what the planet is made of. Your theory needs to explain this equation. Otherwise, it needs to explain what is wrong with this equation and replace it with a better one.
-Neutron stars are made entirely out of a super-compressed mixture of neutrons, protons and electrons. No elements have an individual chemical identity within the star. They have some of the strongest gravity in the Universe.
-Black holes are not made of any known kind of matter. It does not even contain atomic nuclei. Black holes have only a handful of properties, such as electric charge, spin, mass, temperature, entropy and velocity.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 03:17:24
Ok I hate wright and the video would be so much easyer .ok it's for both man made and natural .what it's made out of mean it has a high energy out put meaning it's going to have to have a high input .same as circuit princapal . With that in mined that it going to conlect more of the mass around it .the hotter the mass gets the more movment the nickel had to the generate stronger magnetic fields to power the circuit now balanced with the extra energy made by the extra presser atoms
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 03:19:28
Look at the magnetic field = the gravity streight .that why when a black hole does let mass out its out the poles .so to me a black hole is a better stronger sun and where we stop seeing it is at the strongest point of it magnetic field = it's circuit streight beating the electromagnetic spectrum out wards force.... Now in forming stages a stronger gravity will pull more matter to it mean most time it will have a denser mass that's should = gravity streight
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 03:51:37
This is the part where I need someone helping me do the fine point and open to testing ...
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 23/11/2013 03:58:56
(1) There is no relationship between the magnetic field strength of an object and its gravity. Scientists have generated magnetic fields far in excess of the magnetic field strength of the Earth itself. Yet those same experiments have no obvious effect on gravity. Even MRI machines generate fields stronger than the Sun's. The surface gravity of Venus, for example, is very close to that of Earth (~90% as strong). However, Venus has a much weaker magnetic field than Earth. In fact, the planet Mercury has a stronger magnetic field than Venus does, but is smaller and has notably less surface gravity.

(2) Black holes do not let mass out of their poles. What you are referring to are jets of hot gases that never actually made it inside of the black hole in the first place. Black holes only produce these jets when they have an accretion disk of in-falling matter. An isolated black hole does nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 04:06:41
It's not the magnetic field it's self .think of a electric circuit leaking a magnetic field around it
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 04:09:24
Like I sed this is the point I need someone helping me with the fine point.so with that the gas at the poles show me a weaker gravity affect at the pole for the gas to settle there
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 23/11/2013 04:11:53
What is it that is conducting the electricity, then? How is the electricity generated? Why don't power plants and power lines generate gravitational fields?

The jets of gas that fire out near a black hole's poles do not do so because the gravity is weaker there. Anywhere at a black hole's event horizon, be it at the poles or the equator, the gravity will be strong enough to pull in anything that crosses that boundary.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 04:16:26
Coz we r talking about a wireless circuit
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 04:18:22
Of the electromagnetic spectrum
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 23/11/2013 04:21:16
And how exactly does that work? If by electromagnetic spectrum you mean electromagnetic radiation, then you need to describe how you can have any kind of circuit with that. Electromagnetic radiation likes to travel in straight lines.

If a circuit of some sort is required to generate a gravitational field, then everything that is attracted to a gravitational field must also have a circuit. After all, gravity must interact with gravity. Individual neutron particles are attracted to gravitational fields. How does a circuit originate in a subatomic particle?
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 04:41:32
It does like all electromagnetic spectrum forces it does have affects on matter .think of the electromagnetic spectrum as sub bands between -and + circuit gravity .if u look at the electromagnetic spectrum it's start with waves and finishes with waves but it should start with a straight wave pasting thought everything easyie and finishes with no wave pasting thought everything with grate diffelty and we don't c this every day coz it's right under ow noses
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 04:52:33
I know u r going ask me question ,and that's good but this theory is from the ground up basses on bacis . Going on the simple reason is most likely right reason
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 23/11/2013 05:11:16
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I know u r going ask me question ,and that's good but this theory is from the ground up basses on bacis . Going on the simple reason is most likely right reason

Except when it goes against what is known. The electromagnetic spectrum has nothing directly to do with circuits, and what exactly is a "straight wave"?
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 05:22:09
Tesla showed  that wireless can run on a circuit by sending power wireless only needing to be earth out :I do know that's different .... Streight lines means if the radio wave kept going past 0 hz it's should go straight for with no bends for waving left and right and up and down......, my name is Michael blanck just to let u know
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 23/11/2013 05:22:48
I could tell u all the missing mineral to make it all work with much streight and fits in to place but that's in my video I send to the uni .but I want to talk about the theory

If you can understand everything* this wikipedia page ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything 
and can see how to combine general-relativity and quantum-mechanics , then maybe publish your theory / contact a University , but not before.

[ * you're a better man than I if you can ]
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 23/11/2013 05:30:52
I think we've ventured sufficiently off-topic to warrant the creation of a new thread. If you wish to continue to discuss your theory, then please do so in a new thread.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 05:42:15
I have contacted a uni .one it australia.and I don't  think we wrong I just thing we stuck going up river to c how the ocean gets filled with many reasons for rain instep of just looking at the ocean (earth) and c it makes clouds that full back as rain
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 05:54:50
Ok I will like to thank u both coz with want to say and asked has had me for the first ever sin thinking this theory 10 years has made me talk about it and not just think about it ... Please if I post something on here again please answer coz I'm more scared to talk about than anything and I do now feel comfible talk to u 2
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 06:03:47
Coz even now I just want to run away and hide coz scared the hell out of me .... Also I don't want to just talk about it , I want to test it physically with a small scale core
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 23/11/2013 06:38:19
Your fear is unnecessary. If you want to talk, send me a note.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 07:24:47
thanks ... Even know I don't feel this to be right but the gravity in circuit coming back could be a physical pull on space to creat gravity if it has to do with bending space .but I really thing it's just more simple physics and more likely want Einstein was seeing is the dragging of gravity over space in the bubble we make .looking like space is moving but really gravity foot print and wave or the wind affect
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 23/11/2013 10:29:04
Ok I don't really want to get on to timespace without dealing with circuit gravity first, but what do u want me to join .I sed b4 that Einstein was wright but add it to 3d spacetime with us as in a bubble and not flat .witch gives time distance to fall from 1 side to the other .but -gravity from spacetime it self but add circuit gravity dragging over it and affect its distance of falling .this way gravity affects time witch we can prove by curving its fall and matter has affect on time space by increasing the distance of times fall .now spinning motion would be gravity pulling on time dragging it around mass giving it a slippery slide affect of increase distance when falling...now with this if u spin fast and with enuf pull time seem to sit still and a black spot (einsteins) black hole .why it look that space is flat is coz of the north South Poles need for outport to work making it pancake in shape .now when circuit gravity go out it opens space up to start time falling from the top to the bottom ..... Now with circuit gravity and with what we have seen and know this is most likely what time space is doing with my theory .now I would also think its to do with density of space we r in making it harded for time to past thought..... But I would like to deal with circuit gravity first sin I'm not just talking about a theory I'm also talking about a way to test it .... Meaning I'm not just talking maths and theory. I'm talking if we made it and it work it becomes fact
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 23/11/2013 15:13:52
... looking like space is moving but really gravity foot print and wave or the wind affect

No "aether wind", see ...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson-Morley_experiment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment)
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 24/11/2013 01:32:29
Ok I sed it mite look like waves .sin circuit gravity doesn't bent space to make gravity .but but space mite show sines following gravity path
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 24/11/2013 02:05:21
What part is the 2 theory not join so I can c where the conflicted is .coz with my theory ,Einstein thought he was look at gravity but really he Was watching the behavior of spacetime coz of gravity ...in stead of looking at a actions of spacetime. he was looking at a effect on spacetime
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 24/11/2013 02:34:50
What part is the 2 theory not join so I can c where the conflicted ...

Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 24/11/2013 05:04:28
Lol funny ... Ok so is the point that all has to be connected  ? How many realitys does there need to be ? And my point with circuit gravity is that all theory on spacetime would  be right but havnt add the math of space being affected by gravity and it's the behavior of spacetime that there are seeming .circuit gravity show that force is running on a  cycle  witch has affects on time space and any other reality we connect with.with circuit gravity it also give a path for everything to come back to where it starts .also sins gravity is a center point, quantum mechanics and sting theory should be aball to show where it connection is but again using circuit gravitys and not space as ow gravity .it also shows how we affect this time space but not part of it .it should mean we should be free to move freely out of this reality with out being destory coz needing its gravity to hold us in place.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 25/11/2013 05:02:29
If u r thinking what could be -0 hz there is 1 that we do know of 1 but again I'm talking about the theory .not the mechanics
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Missynmax83 on 25/11/2013 07:36:36
Did that answer anything
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kryptid on 25/11/2013 22:19:26
Like I said before, start a new topic or send me a note if you wish to continue talking about your theory. I'm done here.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kalopin on 22/05/2014 22:20:26
Weight distribution to the equator causes physical and electromagnetic imbalance disturbing orbits producing Lunar impacts.

It would take that amount of mass, weight, density, volume and have to be in close orbit to break-up a supercontinent, seperating tectonic plates, increasing gravity, the length of Earth's day and to restabalize orbital elements.

The Mediterranean sea is the remnants of a Lunar impact to start the Holocene, is the reason for the planet's iridium layer and was the cause of mass extinction. There are pyramids buried within melt rock on the Yucatan peninsula.
This is proof!

see:  http://able2know.org/topic/224693-1  and
"Pyramids in the Meltrock"[Holocene,Lunar impact event] at thunderbolts.info
"Mediterranean, Appalachian, Pangaea Lunar impact" at archaeologica.org
"The Last time the Moon impacted the Earth was approximately 12,900 Years Ago at cosmoquest.org
These discussions will show the amount of evidence pointing to these scenarios...
Thanks
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 22/05/2014 22:34:45
"The Last time the Moon impacted the earth was approximately 12,900 Years Ago at cosmoquest.org
These discussions will show the amount of evidence pointing to these scenarios...

Do you concur with the chap who started this thread that the plot-lines of cartoons are evidence his moon-hits-earth theory is correct ? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx4R7JS5WSY) , or is your apophenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia#Meanings_and_forms) not that advanced, yet ?.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kalopin on 22/05/2014 22:55:11
As I may disagree with his interpretation of the structures, he is correct in believing that the Moon impacted the Earth on sevreal occassion. It is written in the geography.

Every single tectonic interaction, with the exception of the African plate trying to fill in the crater, emanates out from the Mediterranean. You will find no other option to describe every detail so perfectly.

Study the Indian plate, for just one example. It did not follow ocean currents or Earth's rotation as it went northward at a high enough rate to raise the Himilayas. This Lunar impact scenario is the only mechanism available to produce such an outcome.

Please take a moment and read up on all the evidence. I can easily go on, and will, if need be. If you may find any evidence to the contrary, please inform me.

It was a Lunar impact to the Mediterranean that broke up Pangaea, a comet struck the Hudson bay to end the Clovis culture and a cometary fragment/meteor impacted the Mississippi embayment causing the 1811-1812 earthquake sequence...

Terrestrial impact cratering understandings are still in infancy. These three impacts were a few of the largest in recent history. Chicxulub was not big enough or a hard enough impact to cause the destruction it has been given credit. Earth sciences needs revision? ;-]

Also sounds like a good plot for a cartoon? ;-]
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 23/05/2014 04:55:05
... If you may find any evidence to the contrary, please inform me ...

#1 If the moon's orbit slowly decayed the moon would disintegrate when it approached the Roche limit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit), forming rings around Earth, [ like Saturn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn) ]. Goodbye moon.

#2 The Earth is largely fluid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth). If a moon-sized ultra-rigid object closely approached the Earth it would break through the distended crust and be consumed by the fluid Earth, never to be seen again. Goodbye moon.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kalopin on 23/05/2014 06:28:36
... If you may find any evidence to the contrary, please inform me ...

#1 If the moon's orbit slowly decayed the moon would disintegrate when it approached the Roche limit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit), forming rings around Earth, [ like Saturn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn) ]. Goodbye moon.

#2 The Earth is largely fluid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth). If a moon-sized ultra-rigid object closely approached the Earth it would break through the distended crust and be consumed by the fluid Earth, never to be seen again. Goodbye moon.

Thanks for an example of the 'phaulty fysics' i speak of! ;-]
The impact science, equations and beliefs are all based on conjecture and do not hold any significance after understanding the geology and make up of the impactor and its target.

All the evidence points to the Moon being the crystalized inner core from another, once habitable planet in a now defunct solar system that was travelling ahead of this, newly forming system...

There was little damage to the Moon impacting the much softer outer plates, inland seas and oceans. At the end of the Pleistocene, the Moon steadily came in to closer orbit, causing extreme convection, weakening the plate, it finally took a 'skip' sending out massive bolts of plasma forming the Black sea and impacted at the Mediterranean along what was a vast inland sea.

It pushed massive amounts of burnt matter into a pile forming the Appalachian range, raising the Catskills and at this same moment sent an incredible amount of limestone aloft into the atmosphere to form many of the unusual structures throughout southwest U.S. and Peru. Then, ripping the plate from the mantle, forming the Marianna trench, the force from impact raised the Ozarks, along with the Betic Cordilleras and the Rock of Gibraltar sending its ejecta blanket to cover the area that is now the Yucatan peninsula. The force from the Ozarks rising pushed the land forward and out in an east to west direction to form the Ouachita range.

The shockwave then raised the plate, straightened the plains, sent the entire American plates to subdue the Farallon plate to form the Rockies, sending out massive amounts of sediment and water to form the Grand canyon. The Moon then used this 'self-made springboard' to repel itself back out to a more stable orbit, leaving a much more balanced planet...
All in the 'blink of an eye' geologically speaking, of course. :-]

There is so much more. The Sahara desert is mostly the finer material from the ejecta. The mid-Atlantic ridge is where the plates were split and raised up...Study the satellite images and see what all it explains...

What other mechanism could possibly bring in so much super cold air to instantaneously freeze all life throughout the northern arctic regions?
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 23/05/2014 14:56:36
Thanks for an example of the 'phaulty fysics' i speak of! ;-]
The impact science, equations and beliefs are all based on conjecture

So the rings around planets like Saturn are an illusory "belief",
and the hot stuff that spews out of volcanoes on Earth is not fluid-lava but "conjecture" ?

At the end of the Pleistocene, the Moon steadily came in to closer orbit, causing extreme convection, weakening the plate, it finally took a 'skip' sending out massive bolts of plasma forming the Black sea ...

The only naturally-occurring plasmas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29) near Earth are the ionosphere, polar aurorae, and lightning/sprites, none of which are powerful enough to reshape continents.

Either you've read too much sci-fi and you've stopped taking your medication, or you are trolling.
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kalopin on 23/05/2014 15:43:53
So the rings around planets like Saturn are an illusory "belief",
and the hot stuff that spews out of volcanoes on Earth is not fluid-lava but "conjecture" ?

The only naturally occurring plasma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29) near Earth are the ionosphere, polar aurorae, and lightning/sprites, none of which are powerful enough to reshape continents.

Either you've read too much sci-fi and you've stopped taking your medication, or you are trolling.

I believe you may misunderstand. There are a plethora of moon design, consistency, make up,... The same with planets, planetoids, asteroids, comets, stars,... So many complexities and variables. Orbits easily shift from internal and external forces as well as contact...

Earth's moon is unusual but really not that special, as there are so many supernovae with well estabilshed planets surrounding them. I would imagine there are many planets just now forming from such a moon that has become a terraforming harmonic balancer.
It would stand to reason that solid iron, semi-hollow shells would have a stronger attraction towards stars and inner solar systems, allowing a greater chance of such an outcome...

I have little doubt that, in the not so distant future, Mercury will establish an orbit around Venus and begin terraforming it as well, as it appears to have similar composition.

No,
lightning can not reshape continents and neither can convection alone! As I have stated, it would take the mass, weight, volume and density of an object the size of Earth's moon to break apart a supercontinent, as it split solid mountains. The evidence on satellite is clear.

Do you believe the Mayans built temples beneath water and pyramids in caves?
Do you believe that the scraping and scarring across the ocean floor would be so readily visible in such a time scale as is presently considered?
Do you believe that bones can last for 65 million years at or near the surface in the environments in which they have been found?
Why does all the climatological evidence coincide?

There are SO many holes in present theories, it IS quite pathetic.
[think now]
People pay a lot for a decent education and information concerning public safety should not be withheld. The 'kill the messenger' mentality will not change what are the facts. Should I apologize for the truth? What is presently believed can not be helped, but must be revised.

So, should I make this a challenge to all, or will I be joined in giving this a thorough study and make this common knowledge in our classrooms?
Maybe, since you all are 'across the pond' you may have a better chance at eluding the hierarchy?
Please investigate every detail, [I troll ye not!] [8D]
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: RD on 23/05/2014 21:00:39
… terraforming ...

Sounds like anthropocentric (http://gcide.gnu.org.ua/?q=Anthropocentric&db=gcide&define=1) creationist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationist) BS.

You’re wasting your time here, (and generally), with that nonsense.

... in the not so distant future, Mercury will establish an orbit around Venus …

Surely ur-anus, where your theory originated.

I troll ye not!

Then you are certifiable (http://gcide.gnu.org.ua/?q=certifiable&db=gcide&define=1), like the poor devil who started this thread (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=44952.0).
Title: Re: This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!
Post by: Kalopin on 23/05/2014 23:14:38
… terraforming ...

Sounds like anthropocentric (http://gcide.gnu.org.ua/?q=Anthropocentric&db=gcide&define=1) creationist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationist) BS.

You’re wasting your time here, (and generally), with that nonsense.

... in the not so distant future, Mercury will establish an orbit around Venus …

Surely ur-anus, where your theory originated.

I troll ye not!

Then you are certifiable (http://gcide.gnu.org.ua/?q=certifiable&db=gcide&define=1), like the poor devil who started this thread (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=44952.0).

O.K. dear, kind sir!
Do you really believe that any kind of personal attack will alleviate the disgust you must feel from being taught [dictated mindset] nonsense. Why don't you have this discussion with your professors and have THEM get back to me?!
Label 'creationist', label 'evolutionist', label 'agnostic',... I guess, if I must find a label, I am gnostic and believe in the "theory" of Panspermia...
AND!< Please do NOT believe that we live in the most technologically advanced era in, even this planet's existence... [difficult to deal with the primitive belief system...;-]]]]]]]

Don't 'nitpick' through trying to find anything to postulate. Mercury becoming a moon of Venus is just a speculation to consider. This is not at all the case with the overwhelming amount of evidence directly describing this Lunar impact scenario.

If you can not come up with another mechanism to explain every detail, then this will be the best and only option, as there has never been any other suggested.

As far as the Hudson bay impact. Besides the fact that it is so round and anyone should be able to see how Greenland was pushed upward, the magnetic anomaly is a 'dead giveaway' as the cometary nucleus must be still attached [welded and magnetically] to the mantle...

As far as the Mississippi embayment impact. Besides the fact that an astrobleme is so apparent, [that is if you know what you are seeing,] and all the historical accounts agree, there is no other option to describe the details, such as the two volcanoes that fell into their empty magma chambers during this event.
'Midnight' and 'Jackson Dome'. Yes, they have nicknames, many stories behind them, have NEVER been referred to as a caldera, conflicting discovery dates [1819 or 1860], no names, no geologists, no ground-penetrating radar,... and are said to have been buried in the Cretaceous! Now, put that down as the answers on a test...
see: http://koolkreations.wix.com/kalopins-legacy
"A Few Comments on 1811"
Find the truths behind the myths...

You see, these hypotheses have been solved. They are not just theory but fact. Just have to wait for everyone to give proper study.
So, you see the dilemma? As I have asked, even you refuse to study the details before making [_______] responses.

When you reform Pangaea; Open the strait of Gibraltar until it pushes the Arabian peninsula against the African and Eurasian plates. This will be the right amount to accomodate for the eastern U.S. and the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. Push it into the strait until the Ozarks come into line between the Baetic Cordilleras and the Rock of Gibraltar. Reattach south America, Antarctica, Australia, Madagascar and India to Africa. The Eurasain plate is the only one still "securely" attached to the mantle. This will show how the impact seperated Pangaea, how it raised the entire continental shelf and broke it into pieces[, like the break on a pool table]

There is NO doubt that some explanation must be made for such events. Please, when you study the details, understand there is no other option, or at least try and give one- or something... ;-]



That's what I thought!
http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/allegory.html
"...you must contrive for your future rulers another and a better life than that of a ruler...", "...for only in the state which offers this, will they rule who are truly rich, not in silver or gold, but in virtue and wisdom..."!

Now, go and show how much you all care about the education of the next generation. It would seem that all would want to confront the idiots who put the blinders on them, instead of trying their best to pass the ignorance down?
As I have done my work here, it is now in your hands.
Show me-    what ya' got?! :-]