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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: thebrain13 on 23/09/2014 22:15:42

Title: what's the mass of black holes compared to the galaxy it is located in?
Post by: thebrain13 on 23/09/2014 22:15:42
I remember reading that it was a cosmic mystery why supermassive blackholes are always approximately 15% of the mass compared to the entire galaxy. However I recently just read that in the milkyway galaxy the ratio of mass in its blackhole is 1/10,000. So what is it? Is the milkyway a statistical oddity or does it refer to only specific types of galaxies? Or is that 15% number just bunk?
Title: Re: what's the mass of black holes compared to the galaxy it is located in?
Post by: JohnDuffield on 24/09/2014 08:36:15
There was a 15% mentioned in the recent story about a gargantuan black hole found in a dwarf galaxy (http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/sep/18/gargantuan-black-hole-found-at-the-heart-of-dwarf-galaxy). I've seen various news items about supermassive black holes where cosmologists have tried to establish some kind of ratio, but I don't remember reading anything about supermassive black holes always being circa 15% of the mass of their galaxy.
Title: Re: what's the mass of black holes compared to the galaxy it is located in?
Post by: PmbPhy on 24/09/2014 14:28:14
There was a 15% mentioned in the recent story about a gargantuan black hole found in a dwarf galaxy (http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/sep/18/gargantuan-black-hole-found-at-the-heart-of-dwarf-galaxy). I've seen various news items about supermassive black holes where cosmologists have tried to establish some kind of ratio, but I don't remember reading anything about supermassive black holes always being circa 15% of the mass of their galaxy.

thebrain13 - "JohnDuffield" is a major crackpot. Beware!!!
Title: Re: what's the mass of black holes compared to the galaxy it is located in?
Post by: chiralSPO on 24/09/2014 14:49:53
I don't think there could be a fixed constant that relates the mass of a black hole with that of the galaxy it is in. A black hole surrounded by matter is a non-equilibrium environment, and will change as time goes on. Black holes grow and shrink, but mostly they grow, so I would expect that older galaxies would have a larger percentage of their mass in a black hole.