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OK, let's start with the case where there are well defined walls like my cellar.When you get that right, we can move on.
You still focus on a cellar which has walls all around it,
"An approximate realization of a black body as a tiny hole in an insulated enclosure"
QuoteYou still focus on a cellar which has walls all around it,Have you forgotten who introduced the idea of a closed container here?Quote"An approximate realization of a black body as a tiny hole in an insulated enclosure"I'm trying to set you straight on the easy stuff, before we get to the universe.
So, would you kindly take a decision on which kind of Universe we discuss on?
The Black body radiation in the CMB is a clear indication that our Universe is Infinite in its size. Therefore, it also must be infinite in its age.
If we are talking about the universe we are in, neither of us gets to decide what type it is.It is what it is.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/04/2020 20:09:14If we are talking about the universe we are in, neither of us gets to decide what type it is.It is what it is.Well, you can't decide for me.However, you are more than welcome to assume that the Universe is what it is and abandon the discussion about its type and shape.I have no intention to join you in your decision.
Do you know what "neither" means?
Who cares?Theory D is based on a false start.
It is what it is.
Therefore, you are totally stuck at the first line of this theory - The size of the Universe.
I have no intention to join you in your decision.
Our scientists have no clue about the size of the Universe.
Quote from: Dave Lev on 09/04/2020 06:41:45Our scientists have no clue about the size of the Universe.That's wrong, but irrelevant.
You made a false assertion in your "theory".
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/889405/black-hole-big-bang-theory-wrong-big-bounce-universe-space"Big Bang theory wrong: Black hole found that's so big and old it makes Big Bang IMPOSSIBLE""The black hole is 13 billion light years from Earth, meaning that it formed just 690 million years after the Big Bang when stars were only just beginning to take shape"."Professor Simcoe said: "If you start with a seed like a big star, and let it grow at the maximum possible rate, and start at the moment of the Big Bang, you could never make something with 800 million solar masses – it's unrealistic""The discovery put the Big Bang theory in doubt""The universe was just not old enough to make a black hole that big. It's very puzzling.”
No.Your idea is stuck at the first line because, as I and others have pointed out, it does not make sense.
If they know the size, than why don't they share it with us?
Yes, I fully understand your point of view.
If the theory doesn't meet the observations - you must set it in the garbage.
While the spatial size of the entire universe is unknown, it is possible to measure the size of the observable universe, which is currently estimated to be 93 billion light-years in diameter.fromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
However, we wish to know the size of the whole Universe not just the observable universe.
QuoteHowever, we wish to know the size of the whole Universe not just the observable universe.Why?It will not matter to us.
I think you keep missing the point.We don't know how big the universe is, but we know it is not infinite in time and space.This is confirmed every night, when it goes dark.
We MUST first find the real size of our entire Universe.
What do you mean by that?
Universe is Infinite in its size. Therefore, it also must be infinite in its age.
Quote from: Dave Lev on 09/04/2020 20:42:21We MUST first find the real size of our entire Universe.Why?
QuoteUniverse is Infinite in its size. Therefore, it also must be infinite in its age.You are wrong.Science knows this.Science has known it for a very long time.
I mean that the universe either has a special boundary (A "wall" if you like) or it has a temporal boundary (A beginning).
If you need to go from LA to NY don't you need to know the distance before you start your first step?
This is a poor analogy. Even if we could travel at the speed of light, we could never get outside of the observable Universe. It doesn't matter what is or is not outside of our observable Universe because we can't go there nor can anything out there affect us.