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Consider also the potential for the future, like wireless charging in Tesla's Cyber cab. You can't use it with gasoline or hydrogen.
Imagine someone in early 20th century complained about the inadequacy of gas stations with his new car, so he wanted to go back with horse cart.
The huge societal advantages of ICE vehicles (and airplanes, for that matter) is their minimal infrastructure requirements compared with electric cars (or trains).
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 09/01/2025 02:30:00Where do they park?In the street. Or hadn't you noticed?
Where do they park?
The first practical passenger cars were electric but it quickly transpired that buying a gallon of gasoline (then a waste product of the oil industry) from a pharmacy was a lot quicker and easier than charging a battery from the nonexistent mains supply. And the same applies today.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 09/01/2025 02:30:00Consider also the potential for the future, like wireless charging in Tesla's Cyber cab. You can't use it with gasoline or hydrogen.You don't need to since it only takes a couple of minutes to fill up from a 40 - 100 MW pump.
You didn't count the cost of exploration, refinery, distribution and safety precautions of the gasoline.
Let's see what the market will decide. In free market economy, people vote with their money.
I drove about 300 miles to work and back, and didn't see a single electric car on the road!
Interesting day in Britain today. Average temperature below zero, no wind, sun barely above the horizon. 10% of UK electricity production was from renewables. Note that electricity only accounts for about 30% of total UK energy consumption, so practically everything that moves or stays warm was powered by fossil fuel. I drove about 300 miles to work and back, and didn't see a single electric car on the road!
Quote from: alancalverd on 22/12/2024 09:35:16Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/12/2024 08:51:38 testing standards like Real Driving Emissions (RDE) and Worldwide Harmonized Light Vehicles Test Procedure (WLTP). Two different sets of rules. VW met the US current test standard at the time of test. But the cars didn't meet the standard when they were driven on the road.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/12/2024 08:51:38 testing standards like Real Driving Emissions (RDE) and Worldwide Harmonized Light Vehicles Test Procedure (WLTP). Two different sets of rules. VW met the US current test standard at the time of test.
testing standards like Real Driving Emissions (RDE) and Worldwide Harmonized Light Vehicles Test Procedure (WLTP).
Have you compared the situation with Norway?
If you decrease the efficiency of a diesel engine with the criterion of reduced nox then the downside is increased co2 and particulates in the exhaust and increased fuel consumption, for a given amount of work. I don't know which is worse, nox or these sooty nanoparticulates which seem to be implicated in a lot of health problems. You just can't win
They can then use their resources to develop some other business models.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/01/2025 10:37:42Have you compared the situation with Norway?No comparison is relevant. Norway has 5 million people and 45 GW installed hydroelectric capacity to power almost everything. The UK is mostly flat and contains 70,000,000 people in about the same area.
Quote from: alancalverd on 02/01/2025 13:19:04Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 02/01/2025 03:55:58safety, charging duration and lifetime are improving. They will drive ICE vehicles economically uncompetitive.You need to increase the charge rate and the grid maximum current capacity by a factor of 1000 to make battery cars a sensible replacement for ICE. Double the figures for trucks. Hydrogen already does the job better.It seems we chose the different sources of news regarding economics of energy.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 02/01/2025 03:55:58safety, charging duration and lifetime are improving. They will drive ICE vehicles economically uncompetitive.You need to increase the charge rate and the grid maximum current capacity by a factor of 1000 to make battery cars a sensible replacement for ICE. Double the figures for trucks. Hydrogen already does the job better.
safety, charging duration and lifetime are improving. They will drive ICE vehicles economically uncompetitive.
Our decisions in the past contributes to the hardships that we have to face now. Likewise, our decisions today will contribute to the hardships that we will have to face in the future.