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General Discussion & Feedback => Just Chat! => Topic started by: jeffreyH on 17/06/2018 14:46:29
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There are very disquieting things happening in America. Children being separated from parents at the border. All immigrants immediately being prosecuted whether seeking asylum or not. The free press being called enemies of the state by the president. The republicans are scared to criticise Trump for fear of losing nominations. Isn't this how fascism takes hold? Trump is now attacking allies and praising brutal dictators. How will this all end?
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Where's your balls, right?
I look at the Munchkins in the Wizard of Oz....
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Where's your balls, right?
I look at the Munchkins in the Wizard of Oz....
Balls have nothing to do with this, nuclear war does. What do we do attack America ? Is Trump even wrong?
I don't like the sound of nicking peoples children but maybe that is how fascism takes hold. However it will fall apart because soldiers will not carry out barbaric actions on their fellow humans who are innocents. I hope, believe a soldier has more morality than to follow the wrong sort of orders.
An authoritarian new world order would be a great thing imposed correctly. Dependent to the objectivity of the views.
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However it will fall apart because soldiers will not carry out barbaric actions on their fellow humans who are innocents
People are carrying out those orders.
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However it will fall apart because soldiers will not carry out barbaric actions on their fellow humans who are innocents
People are carrying out those orders.
Oh....That's not great if not imposed properly or by misuse of power.
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Incidentally, have we ruled out the idea that Trump got elected because the US turned fascist?
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Incidentally, have we ruled out the idea that Trump got elected because the US turned fascist?
Candidates compared to voters give that answer.
What percent of the votes did he gain compared to the total amount of votes of the other candidates?
Was there any ''rigging'' involving ?
Do the people carrying out the orders even understand what they are actual doing?
Impeachment , ''war' crimes all springs to mind.
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Nah. All that's happening is that Trump is a racist moron.
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Nah. All that's happening is that Trump is a racist moron.
Trouble is that he's a racist moron that lots of people voted for- even though it was clear that he's a racist moron.
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Nah. All that's happening is that Trump is a racist moron.
Trouble is that he's a racist moron that lots of people voted for- even though it was clear that he's a racist moron.
Bigger picture of dreams........
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Trump has used legislature meant for issues of national security to impose tariffs on US allies. He is now seeking to lift sanctions against both North Korea and Russia. The impacts are not confined to the United States. If we end up with a dictatorship in America that sides with the likes of Russia and North Korea then the world is in a very dangerous place. We then face a looming existential threat. Trump is too unpredictable for Putin. Once he establishes a dictatorship Putin loses leverage.
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OMG, the US constitution is designed to resist fascism. It was designed as a more free way of social congress compared to the then English system of rule. There are "so many" checks and measures today that support freedom in the US. Trump won the election because the other candidates had problems that he didn't have in the eyes of the US public. I can understand the world would be miffed because Trump is trying to reign in the insanely huge US debt, but if he didn't do it, who would? He's right though in that the "allies" have been given a free pass for so many years......but you know are allies allies because they've been bought? That's fascism.
Politics is a very delicate game, and the world is better off without enemies, perceived enemies. Is he creating enemies imposing tarrifs to get the US out debt, or is he in fact creating a more stable overall global economy? Thats the question. Asia is very very new to the global economy, and having Asia predominate in commerce after only being in global economic school for a few decades is.....well....where's the trust, where's the years of knowledge there?
The problem with any leader on a national stage is that they're never perfect, they all have their flaws. They say this, they say that, they do this, they do that, things that make them them, things that define them and yet strangely make them most suited for the situation as the situation demands. Still, there "is" a tremendous amount of knit-picking going on which can lead one to think when they just view the knit-picking that he is unsuitable. Yet, he has been saying what he has been saying for years about the economy, trade, China, and the GOP.....and he is basically fulfilling all of that. Everything else is almost like a side-show.
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Are you serious? Reign in the debt? It is now measured in the trillions because of the insane tax cuts for the rich. The trade war will only make that worse. Self delusion is a dangerous thing.
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Are you serious? Reign in the debt? It is now measured in the trillions because of the insane tax cuts for the rich. The trade war will only make that worse. Self delusion is a dangerous thing.
I just noticed your signature , I hate to admit that is correct.
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Are you serious? Reign in the debt? It is now measured in the trillions because of the insane tax cuts for the rich. The trade war will only make that worse. Self delusion is a dangerous thing.
You couldn't be more wrong and your logic couldn't be more skewed. The US debt is through trade concessions to the rest of the world, years of that. Trump appears to be putting corporate America on notice with his trade policies, and things are going to get tougher if he is serious. Corporate America mainly became over-rich, insanely, through trade concessions with nations like China. Are you suggesting the US is not interested in honouring its debt?
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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/pregnancy-parenting/the-%e2%80%98irreparable-harm%e2%80%99-of-ripping-immigrant-kids-from-their-parents/ar-AAyTNHx?ocid=ientp
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Nah. All that's happening is that Trump is a racist moron.
Trouble is that he's a racist moron that lots of people voted for- even though because it was clear that he's a racist moron.
Fact is that he had a policy, and got 90% of all the press and TV coverage because he is a racist moron. As his hero Goebbels said, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
All Hillary got to say was "look, I'm a woman". Hardly newsworthy, and not a policy. Surprisingly, though, it won the popular vote.
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Politics is a very delicate game, and the world is better off without enemies,
No. Politics is a very rough game, and the most disgusting politicians get elected by inventing a common enemy who is too weak to resist a bit of populist pogrom. Trump is simply following the examples of Macchiavelli, Hitler, Thatcher, George W, Tony B.Liar, Karadzic, and every other scumbag who has lied his way to democratic power.
For a marginally less distasteful but equally dishonest example, note how, whenever asked about the fate of the Windrush generation, Conservative MPs talk about illegal immigrants.
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Nah. All that's happening is that Trump is a racist moron.
Trouble is that he's a racist moron that lots of people voted for- even though because it was clear that he's a racist moron.
Fact is that he had a policy, and got 90% of all the press and TV coverage because he is a racist moron. As his hero Goebbels said, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
All Hillary got to say was "look, I'm a woman". Hardly newsworthy, and not a policy. Surprisingly, though, it won the popular vote.
I suspect her policy of "Look, I'm not being Donald Trump" was as much in her favour as her policy of "look, I'm a woman".
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You couldn't be more wrong and your logic couldn't be more skewed.
Could you let us know which of Trump's policies will have influenced the debt significantly?
Thanks
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I have just found this article, well done Mr Trump if this is true.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-reversal-trump-signs-order-stopping-family-separation/ar-AAyUE7S?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=AARDHP
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Trump is such a hero. Isn't he?
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Certainly. The only thing that is hindering the process is Trump’s own ineptitude.
While some would point out that our system of government has checks and balances, those cease to exist if one party - or, in the case of the modern GOP, an ideologically motivated tribe - controls every branch of government. Where are the checks? What balance can be had?
The pillars of our democracy have been under attack like never before. The free press is vilified as “fake news”, and we’re now supposed to believe “alternative facts”. Candidates choose their voters (not vice-versa, as it should be) through shady campaign finance and gerrymandering. The system is being rigged before our very eyes.
The best way for a useful moron like Donald Trump to be kept in power is to silence the opposition forever. This is now happening.
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I have just found this article, well done Mr Trump if this is true.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-reversal-trump-signs-order-stopping-family-separation/ar-AAyUE7S?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=AARDHP
Most folk agree that it would have been better not to start separating kids from their parents.
It's good to see that he has recognised his massive mistake here; but it would be far better if he hadn't adopted such a grotesque policy in the first place.
As I understand it, this "improvement" means that the kids will still be locked up- but they will be locked up with their parents.
That's still pretty inhuman.
I think the title of this thread makes a mistake, however. I think that Trump's election is a symptom of America already having started on the road to fascism before the election.
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The real problem is that the majority of voters are becoming sick of politicians. This leads to apathy and no motivation to vote in the first place. When voters are seeking a change, or just to stick it to the political classes, they vote for extremes in protest. If too many decide to protest vote, then it is easy for outside influence (Putin's hackers) to sway the overall vote. This has nothing to do with a shift towards fascism within the population. More to do with enforcing preexisting views and making them appear much more legitimate. Like the slogans "crooked Hilary" and "lock her up". That was flooding every type of media via Russian federation bots.
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The real problem is that the majority of voters are becoming sick of politicians. This leads to apathy and no motivation to vote in the first place. When voters are seeking a change, or just to stick it to the political classes, they vote for extremes in protest. If too many decide to protest vote, then it is easy for outside influence (Putin's hackers) to sway the overall vote. This has nothing to do with a shift towards fascism within the population. More to do with enforcing preexisting views and making them appear much more legitimate. Like the slogans "crooked Hilary" and "lock her up". That was flooding every type of media via Russian federation bots.
The problem with politicians is their natural instinct is to ''slag'' off their opponents, whether they be their own nationality or another nationality, it becomes about them and not about the country .
No offence to Mrs Clinton, but Mr Trump is far smarter ....No need to send her to jail though, she will just be made to look stupid , conspiracy theories are so funny, where can I find a conspiracy forum ? that will be fun .
Objectively , does Mr Trump look like he needs help in vote when the crowds/voters show he has a huge following ?
She is nuts for sure...are all those people actors?
Of course not, they are real voters, not internet cyber vote fixing.