When you look at pictures of so called 'viruses' they generally all look the same. They are just tiny uniform blobs.If you are looking at an infection of a single type of virus, then all the blobs will look the same.
The virus would be incapable of entering a cell wall because (a) it wouldn't be able to detect or find the cell wall. (b) It wouldn't have any means of digging a hole through the wall.(a) When doctors talk about the "H1N1" flu virus, the "H" part describes the version of the Hemagglutinin protein, which attaches to cell walls in the nose throat and lungs. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Structure.2C_properties.2C_and_subtype_nomenclature
I believe these blobs are just fungal materialA fungus is a self-replicating organism, carrying all the genes necessary to create a new fungus cell; they have sizes of 12000 kilobases and up.
pharmaceutical companies with the opportunity to make billions of dollars from gullible people who will buy chemical concoctions which supposedly kill said 'viruses'.There are very few antiviral medications which have proven effective once you are infected. The HIV anti-retrovirals have been an outstanding exception, and these are given away royalty-free in the poorest countries of the world. They are responsible for a significant improvement in life expectancy for those living with HIV.
how did this bizarre post sneak in ?I think Atkhenaken has been brainwashed by the priests of Ra...
Virus exists. However, virus, as normally represented in textbooks, organic aspects, are inanimate matter. A virus will not become animated or semi-alive unless they bind with water.
Once you add water to the structure of the virus, the virus can make use of the aqueous gradients of the cell, which becomes the means by which virus can appear to be consciously moving. There is a co-partnership in life between water and organics. Water makes the organics come alive, while the hydrated organics induce the water into local potentials, which set up aqueous gradients. The virus made alive by the water, becomes directed via the cellular gradients, which the hydrated virus can then influence, so it can perpetuate itself.
Someone did answer.
If you could answer the questions that I have posed above, it would be more useful than ranting on endlessly about the details of what you believe to be viruses.
If you could answer the questions that I have posed above, it would be more useful than ranting on endlessly about the details of what you believe to be viruses.
Someone did answer.
"(a) When doctors talk about the "H1N1" flu virus, the "H" part describes the version of the Hemagglutinin protein, which attaches to cell walls in the nose throat and lungs. See:
(b) The flu virus is sucked into the cell by the cell itself engulfing the protein. Some bacteriophage viruses have a structure which resembles a hypodermic syringe, which injects the viral genes inside the cell wall."
You won't accept the evidence.
What can we do?
If you plan to sit there with your fingers in your ears saying "La la la I'm not listening" when we explain things how are we going to correct your error?
How do they attack? They have no eyes, legs, arms, ears, nose or brain to think out a strategy.Viruses are just like a floating mine, which have no strategy and do nothing until a ship bumps into them. Then they explode, and bring down the ship.
A bad diet clearly explains how and why people get sick.(1) If you eat Arsenic, you will get sick.
I am an expert in Photoshop, so I know how easy it is to create these computer generated images.(a) I know how to fake images in Photoshop
Viruses are supposed to be single celled - so how do you explain these long spaghetti viruses? They appear to make a mockery of the single cell virus concept, in my humble opinion.Certain multicellular algae form long, spaghetti-like filaments; I have seen some on the sea-shore that are perhaps 40mm (40,000um) long, and seem to have the thickness of human hair (about 0.1mm=100um). But they are far larger than an Ebola virus.
Why is it that no scientist has ever been able to reproduce, in a laboratory, the same virus from two different individuals who are infected with the same virus?Scientists have gone one better than that, in the recent Ebola outbreak.
If you have sufficient fibre in your diet your gut bacteria will protect you from getting sick. This is a known fact....and Bacteriophages are one of the factors keeping the bacteria from getting out of control.
To have functioning legs which contract requires the use of muscle tissue and complex joint structures which a single celled life form couldn't possibly have.If you saw a large creature like a caribou for the first time, you would (rightly) assume that it had a complex multicellular structure with muscles and complex joints.
Hormones have receptors, not viruses. There are 3 types of hormone which have 3 different receptors. Some stupid fools have mistaken viruses for hormones.As mentioned above, many single molecules have receptor sites; many cells also have receptors on their surfaces which are triggered into action by events in their environment (eg finding the Hemagglutinin protein in their environment - only it is attached to a flu virus!).
Thus, [a virus] is a totally illogical creatureI fear it is your logic which is flawed.
Viruses are just like a floating mine, which have no strategy and do nothing until a ship bumps into them. Then they explode, and bring down the ship.
They are much more specific than a mine, as they only attack when they strike a cell having a matching receptor on its surface. It's like a lock-and-key mechanism.
Unlike a "dumb" mine, the virus contains instructions, which forces the cell to make a myriad of new virus particles, which explode out of the cell, and then float around until they, too, bump into another cell with the right receptor.
That sounds like an aggressive strategy, which operates on the molecular level, without requiring complex multicellular organs and appendages like a brain, arms or legs.
A bad diet clearly explains how and why people get sick.(1) If you eat Arsenic, you will get sick.
I am an expert in Photoshop, so I know how easy it is to create these computer generated images.(a) I know how to fake images in Photoshop
Viruses are supposed to be single celled - so how do you explain these long spaghetti viruses? They appear to make a mockery of the single cell virus concept, in my humble opinion.Certain multicellular algae form long, spaghetti-like filaments; I have seen some on the sea-shore that are perhaps 40mm (40,000um) long, and seem to have the thickness of human hair (about 0.1mm=100um). But they are far larger than an Ebola virus.[/quote]
Some single-cell organisms form long, spaghetti-like threads; the human sperm cell has a tail which is about 50um long, and about 1um thick. And this leaves out most of the machinery required for a living cell. But this is still far larger than an Ebola virus.
The Ebola virus is about 1um long, and 0.1um in diameter. It is clearly not a single cell, let alone a multicellular organism.
As you say, it is important to have a size scale on what you are looking at; otherwise you could confuse a hot-air balloon with a raindrop.
Why is it that no scientist has ever been able to reproduce, in a laboratory, the same virus from two different individuals who are infected with the same virus?Scientists have gone one better than that, in the recent Ebola outbreak.
To have functioning legs which contract requires the use of muscle tissue and complex joint structures which a single celled life form couldn't possibly have.
If you saw a large creature like a caribou for the first time, you would (rightly) assume that it had a complex multicellular structure with muscles and complex joints.
If you saw a small creature like a bacteriphage for the first time (much smaller than a single cell), you would (rightly) assume that it did not have a complex multicellular structure with muscles and complex joints.
You have made two correct deductions, and combined them to come to a false conclusion. This is a logical fallacy.
In fact, every carbon atom in a hydrocarbon forms a fully-functional rotating joint.
On a larger scale, many proteins/enzymes in our bodies have structural segments that form a backbone, and jointed sections that allow these structural segments to move relative to each other. These physical movements are triggered when a matching molecule fits the enzyme receptor.
That's what's technically referred to as a lie.
Admin warning - Sorry, I am not allowed to post external links. (because that would make it too easy for me to prove my point) lol
Well, we have not eradicated those factors from the world. and , according to your bizarre notion that means we can't control any viral diseases.
But we have eradicated smallpox and nearly eradicated polio.
And we did that by vaccination- which only works because we identified the virus responsible.
So, your suggestion - diseases are not caused by viruses leads to a prediction- we will not remove diseases by removing viruses ( we would need to remove all the factors you listed earlier).
And yet we have removed a disease.
So you are unequivocally logically wrong. That's it; you can give up and go home now. The job's over: you were wrong.
There's also the interesting question of how come people with HIV are living longer than they used to. The only change that's been made is that we now treat them with antiviral drugs.
But those drugs have very specific targets- typically the reverse transcriptase enzyme that is found in HIV.
How come targeting the virus controls the disease if the disease isn't caused by the virus?
While I'm at it.
"You still haven't answered the question fully. Were they able to reproduce the virus in a laboratory from two separate individuals and get the same culture? "
Yes we have answered that question; and the answer is yes. It was done with the ebola outbreak recently.
Will it help if we tell you that a third time?
"How would you be able to differentiate a hormone entering a cell from a virus entering a cell? "
Well, a few things; The first is that we know what hormones are and they are, among other things single chemical molecules- we know their molecular structures- they are much smaller than viruses and they are endogenous rather then infectious.
"Lastly - How was the first virus identified when there was no reference of what a virus looks like? Good luck!"
Well, obviously- not by sight.
They were originally identified because they were small. Scientists knew how to make filters that would reliably remove bacteria but they found that there were some infectious agents that were much smaller- they would go through a filter that would strain out bacteria- so- whatever these agents were, they were not bacteria (far less were they fungi which are generally even bigger- so you can ditch that idea).
OK, let's just see how wrong you are today.
"In the early days they didn't have microscopes. "
True - but irrelevant.
"The process of vaccination is just an old wives tale "
Plainly wrong- if it was true we couldn't have wiped out smallpox and knocked back lots of other diseases.
"made scientific by an uneducated moron by the name of Edward Jenner. "
Again- plainly wrong.
He was clearly educated- he was a doctor- and he was equally clearly not a moron (for the same reason).
"The concept of mixing animal blood with human blood goes back thousands of years. It was believed that the strength or spirit of the animal could be transferred to humans by mixing the blood. "
True- but nothing to do with modern medical science.
"But, alas, there are no contagious diseases, it is just a 200 year old scam."
Yes there are and they have been documented for well over 200 years.
for example
So, again, you are plainly wrong.
"...which has been revived by money making governments and pharmaceutical companies. "
No.
For example, Salk- who invented the Polio vaccine never patented it.
Also they are not reviving "animalism" they are using an entirely different idea- that of viral infection.
Nobody goes to their doctor and gets told "this is monkey blood- the spirit of the monkey will protect you from the 'flu".
They get semisynthetic proteind derived from viruses. and that's what they get told.
So, once again, you are plainly wrong.
"The concept of disease is used by governments as a border control device to prevent cross border travel without checking place of origin. (passport). "
Wrong and irrational.
They do check passports- they don't check for viral diseases.
So, again, plainly wrong.
"The Vaccination Liberation website has plenty of graphs which show that polio out-breaks occurred only after the invention of pesticides. "
They must be very poorly educated (or just plain dishonest).
the ancient Egyptians were aware of polio- but didn't use any meaningful pesticides.
So, again, plainly wrong.
Very few people are exposed to fluorine- essentially it's only used in labs.
The human body needs chloride- salt- to function. Its vital role has been known since (at least) the days of ancient Rome so, once again
Plainly wrong.
"The human immune system (hormone system) is iodine based and can be disrupted by halogens which mimic iodine. "
The immune system and hormonal system are not the same thing- so that's plainly wrong.
Only one small group of hormones relies on iodine and it is perfectly able to select iodide, even in the presence of fluoride, bromide and chloride.
Bromide is toxic but its effect is due to disruption of chloride .
So, once again you are plainly wrong.
"Small pox is a volcano related problem."
Nope. It was common in the UK and we don't have volcanoes.
Plainly wrong.
"When large volcanoes erupt they spew out poisonous gases and dust which can destroy crops and kill lives stock. This leads to massive starvation on a global scale. This occurs every so often throughout history. We have been lucky in the last 200 years because there hasn't been any large scale volcanic activity."
Plainly wrong (do you not watch the news?)
"Scarlet fever was never vaccinated against, yet it disappeared by itself without vaccination. Why? Answer - Because there is only one disease which is called VITAMIN DEFICIENCY! That's why! "
Plainly wrong (and irrelevant since it's not a virus)
The right answer is penicillin.
"The only reason HIV people are living longer is because they stopped eating bad diets, having late nights, drugs and alcohol."
Many people with HIV are babies and young children, so that idea is plainly wrong (and deeply offensive). It also suggests that your motivation for peddling this nonsense is bigotry on your part.
"How do you know that viruses are not endogenous as well? "
Because they couldn't be infections if they were.
"Oh, so they didn't SEE THEM! they just guessed them into existence. I thought so! lol"
Yes and...?
Those sorts of guesses are called hypotheses; once they get tested and found to make accurate predictions they become established science.
In thinking that's grounds for laughter you are plainly wrong.
We both know that you are wrong on practically every single point of that.
Starting with the fact that you don't need to see microorganisms to know that they exist- you can deduce their existence from their actions. and ending with " nobody has ever seen a virus because they simply don't exist!"
(here's a picture of some in a bottle)
http://centennial.rucares.org/index.php?page=protein_nucleic_acid
Why do you insist on ignoring reality?
BTW, there's a measles outbreak at the moment. It's not caused by any sudden change in people's food or habits. It's caused because deluded people like you disrupted vaccination programs.
People like you are responsible for deaths and illness.
Why not stop being so destructive?
nobody has ever seen a virusThe discovery of "Mad Cow Disease" caused a fair amount of disbelief at the time - an infectious agent that has no genetic material!?
Quote from: Atkhenakennobody has ever seen a virusThe discovery of "Mad Cow Disease" caused a fair amount of disbelief at the time - an infectious agent that has no genetic material!?
On the other hand, as a disease caught from eating infected cow brains, you presumably would be quite happy with it as a disease caused by poor diet?
Even though prions are too small to see?
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion
Quote from: Atkhenakennobody has ever seen a virusThe discovery of "Mad Cow Disease" caused a fair amount of disbelief at the time - an infectious agent that has no genetic material!?
On the other hand, as a disease caught from eating infected cow brains, you presumably would be quite happy with it as a disease caused by poor diet?
Even though prions are too small to see?
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion
Prions are even less likely to exist than what viruses are. There are no prions! It is just another scam of the pharmaceutical industry to cover up the fact that organophosphates cause spongiform encephalopathy. Visit Mark Purdey's website to see the full story and facts about BSE.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/madcow/madcow.htm
1. There is only one disease which is vitamin deficiency. Thus, the recent measles outbreaks are just vitamin deficiency outbreaks. This can be proven by seeing where these outbreaks occur. Usually occurring in places where diets are poor. Detention centres and low socio-economic neighbourhoods are the most common places.
2. Measles is fatal in only .2% of cases. Why? Because it is not a virus - that's why!
3. "People who are unvaccinated are carriers of measles". Illogical nonsense! A vaccinated person will carry said 'disease' just as easily as an unvaccinated person. There is no scientific evidence to prove that an vaccinated person is not a carrier of a disease. More false assumptions.
4. Measles is a respiratory problem. Thus, the cause will be dairy products which cause and excessive mucus reaction from the body's immune system. Dairy products are unnatural for humans and results in many lung related flu like symptoms. Thus, to stop all flu and measles type diseases it would be more effective to stop selling milk to uninformed people who think that milk is healthy. I was obliged to drink milk at school as the government supplied free milk to all schools when I was young. But for some reason I never drank the milk because I must have some kind of premonition that something was wrong here. Later, 30 years later, I found out that I was right. Milk is a poisonous substance that will block all your arteries and make you sick.
5. I see that you have come to the end of your short tether. You haven't replied to 90% of my previous statements which means that you have no rebuttal to my evidence. Therefore, I must conclude that you have conceded on this issue and that vitamins will protect against all disease and that there are no viruses.
1. There is only one disease which is vitamin deficiency. Thus, the recent measles outbreaks are just vitamin deficiency outbreaks. This can be proven by seeing where these outbreaks occur. Usually occurring in places where diets are poor. Detention centres and low socio-economic neighbourhoods are the most common places.
2. Measles is fatal in only .2% of cases. Why? Because it is not a virus - that's why!
3. "People who are unvaccinated are carriers of measles". Illogical nonsense! A vaccinated person will carry said 'disease' just as easily as an unvaccinated person. There is no scientific evidence to prove that an vaccinated person is not a carrier of a disease. More false assumptions.
4. Measles is a respiratory problem. Thus, the cause will be dairy products which cause and excessive mucus reaction from the body's immune system. Dairy products are unnatural for humans and results in many lung related flu like symptoms. Thus, to stop all flu and measles type diseases it would be more effective to stop selling milk to uninformed people who think that milk is healthy. I was obliged to drink milk at school as the government supplied free milk to all schools when I was young. But for some reason I never drank the milk because I must have some kind of premonition that something was wrong here. Later, 30 years later, I found out that I was right. Milk is a poisonous substance that will block all your arteries and make you sick.
5. I see that you have come to the end of your short tether. You haven't replied to 90% of my previous statements which means that you have no rebuttal to my evidence. Therefore, I must conclude that you have conceded on this issue and that vitamins will protect against all disease and that there are no viruses.
Why are you telling these lies?
Do you want to spread illness and disease?
Perhaps it would be better if you went and learned something about science before you posted anything more in this forum.
chemists are also responsible for:
-all the drugs that treat heart disease, allow cancer patients to survive, prevent seizures, increased life expectancy by 50% since 1900 (and allows old men to have sex)
Most of the food that you eat (fertilizers, pesticides and preservatives--sure people love to hate these things, but they also like to have fresh strawberries in February and beef for less than $20/lb)
solar panels, LEDs, touch screens, lasers, and pretty much any technology developed in the last 200 years has been enabled by chemical research
So, yes, chemists and chemicals have done terrible things, but essentially all of the wonders and luxuries of the 21st century were also made possible by chemists.
Quote from: evan_auThe discovery of "Mad Cow Disease" caused a fair amount of disbelief at the time - an infectious agent that has no genetic material!?
Prions are even less likely to exist than what viruses are.
If you are so certain that "chemicals" and "processed foods" are the root of all disease, perhaps you should visit some of the isolated communities in South America, Central Africa, India, and Southeast Asia, and take note of the state of their health...
Quote from: AtkhenakenQuote from: evan_auThe discovery of "Mad Cow Disease" caused a fair amount of disbelief at the time - an infectious agent that has no genetic material!?
Prions are even less likely to exist than what viruses are.
Some recent research had a ship visiting oceans around the world, searching for genetic material in seawater. They weren't looking for viruses, they just wanted to sample any genetic material present in the water.
The results astonished them - there is an amazing amount of DNA floating around in seawater - and when they investigated, they found that much of it was in bacteriophage viruses.
These researchers were originally not trying to see anything - they were just looking for DNA with sensitive modern genetic techniques. And having found some DNA, it is relatively easy to consult databases and find what type of DNA it comes from.
Megavirus is another virus discovered in seawater.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megavirus#Discovery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_bacteriophage#Marine_phages
(1) If you eat Arsenic, you will get sick.If you give a mouse a dose of Arsenic, you can see that it gets sick.
(2) If you eat food contaminated by Norovirus, you will get sick.
Quote from: evan_au(1) If you eat Arsenic, you will get sick.If you give a mouse a dose of Arsenic, you can see that it gets sick.
(2) If you eat food contaminated by Norovirus, you will get sick.
If you now take a microscopic sample from the sick mouse, and give it to a healthy mouse, the second mouse displays no symptoms (or very mild symptoms). That is because the Arsenic is a poison, which does not multiply itself.
If you give a mouse a dose of moue Norovirus, you can see that it gets sick.
If you now take a microscopic sample from the sick mouse, and give it to a healthy mouse, the second mouse also gets sick. That is because the Norovirus multiplies itself in the host to become the full-blown disease.
The ability to infect others is one of the hallmarks of a disease.
These days, our most sensitive tests are DNA sequencing, and so Koch's original postulates have been reformulated in terms of DNA detection. And viral DNA is a sign of a virus.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates#Koch.E2.80.99s_postulates_for_the_21st_century
1 It took more than funding to get Hitler into power. You also seem not to understand that there were chemists on both sides- and neither group was responsible for starting a war.
Do you want to protect the two hundred year old lie so that you have a nice secure job creating organophosphates that will cause more death and brain disease?
Chemists are responsible for-
1. Supporting and financing Adolf Hitler (I G Farben)
2. Murder of millions with halogen chemicals. (pesticides, fungicides and herbicides)
3. Fluoridation of water supply leading to deceased immune system efficiency and creating heart rhythm problems.
4. Creation of drug industry leading to millions of deaths due to drug overdoses.
Do you have no sense of shame?
And having the hide to blame it all on non-existent and invisible bugs!
Shame, shame shame!
http://ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm
Koch's postulates -
1. The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
2. The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
3. The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
4. The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent.
Research so far ...........
1. Never found in abundance in organism suffering from disease.
2. Microorganisms have never been successfully isolated and grown in a pure culture.
3. Doesn't always cause disease in a healthy organism.
4. Never has been re-isolated from the inoculated and identified from the original host.
Thus, germ theory is a fraud.
http://ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm
1 It took more than funding to get Hitler into power. You also seem not to understand that there were chemists on both sides- and neither group was responsible for starting a war.
2 Why are you worried about the pests murdered by pesticides?
4 Drugs have been around a lot=longer than chemists. The drugs that chemists have created save lives (or the patients wouldn't have access to them because they would fail the tests)
So what would I have to be ashamed of?
I sent you a picture of the bugs- they are not invisible when you get enough of them..
Perhaps you could explain the outcome of a plaque assay without resorting to a virus as an explanation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_quantification
So, you think that the fact that things have moved on since 1890 is a bad thing.
Your view is like saying that sex doesn't cause babies because sometimes it doesn't and (allegedly, at least once) there was a baby without the parents having sex.
It's more complicated than that. We have realised that since Koch's day- and we have updated the postulates.
http://www.naturalnews.com ...
"If you cite NaturalNews on any matter whatsoever, you are almost certainly wrong."http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Natural_News
David Gorski of ScienceBlogs, called Natural News "one of the most wretched hives of scum and quackery on the Internet," and the most "blatant purveyor of the worst kind of quackery and paranoid anti-physician and anti-medicine conspiracy theories anywhere on the Internet", and a one-stop-shop for "virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_News#Criticism_and_controversies
http://www.naturalnews.com ...Quote from: RationalWiki.org"If you cite NaturalNews on any matter whatsoever, you are almost certainly wrong."http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Natural_NewsQuote from: wikipedia.orgDavid Gorski of ScienceBlogs, called Natural News "one of the most wretched hives of scum and quackery on the Internet," and the most "blatant purveyor of the worst kind of quackery and paranoid anti-physician and anti-medicine conspiracy theories anywhere on the Internet", and a one-stop-shop for "virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_News#Criticism_and_controversies
... We have been deceived for the last 10,000 years by the agricultural revolution which introduced inappropriate foods which are the cause of 98 % of all disease. If you take away the grain, sugar, dairy and alcohol, then nobody would ever get sick.
... We have been deceived for the last 10,000 years by the agricultural revolution which introduced inappropriate foods which are the cause of 98 % of all disease. If you take away the grain, sugar, dairy and alcohol, then nobody would ever get sick.
Exponential-rise in human population says different ...
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.vassar.edu%2Frealarchaeology%2Ffiles%2F2014%2F09%2Fanthro-2.jpg&hash=14306c367b5412825468f815312d835f)
http://pages.vassar.edu/realarchaeology/2014/09/21/the-ethics-of-population-and-society/
More people doesn't equate with quality of life. The more people you have the lower the quality of the food and the more disease. Thus, your graph doesn't prove anything.
... We have been deceived for the last 10,000 years by the agricultural revolution which introduced inappropriate foods which are the cause of 98 % of all disease. If you take away the grain, sugar, dairy and alcohol, then nobody would ever get sick.
Exponential-rise in human population says different ...
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.vassar.edu%2Frealarchaeology%2Ffiles%2F2014%2F09%2Fanthro-2.jpg&hash=14306c367b5412825468f815312d835f)
http://pages.vassar.edu/realarchaeology/2014/09/21/the-ethics-of-population-and-society/
More people doesn't equate with quality of life. The more people you have the lower the quality of the food and the more disease. Thus, your graph doesn't prove anything.
More people doesn't equate with quality of life. The more people you have the lower the quality of the food and the more disease. Thus, your graph doesn't prove anything.
You claimed agriculture introduced a poisonous diet which caused "98 % of all disease".
If I had a rodent-infestation and gave them what I though was poison, but their population rose exponentially when I did that, then I've been giving them food instead of poison.
If a disease causing agent was delivered to most of a population then, (all other factors being equal), the population would decline, not rise. Also their average life expectancy would shorten.
In reality* average human life expectancy has risen, by ~50% in the last century ...
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openpop.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FChart1.jpg&hash=1f309ff133df6844501cea4f7f2195c9)
http://www.openpop.org/?p=695
* anyone who cites naturalnews as a reliable source of information is detached from reality : usually suffering from a paranoia (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paranoia).
Death indicates a very poor quality of life so your statement that "More people doesn't equate with quality of life." is on very shaky ground.
But nobody asked about quality of life. They talked about disease.
And reason the population is rising is simply that (relatively) fewer people are dying. Since accidents are a rare cause of death, more people not dying must mean fewer people getting diseases (and/ or they are more likely to recover).
So the graph shows that people are not getting killed by diseases as often or as young as they used to.
That makes your your claim that "the agricultural revolution which introduced inappropriate foods which are the cause of 98 % of all disease. " impossible.
So, what that graph proves is that you are wrong. (as you have been all along).
When are you going to face up to that?
The price to pay for population growth success is a reduced life expectancy ...The last graph I posted showed ~20% increase in average life-expectancy during the last 50 years, during which the world population has more than doubled (https://www.google.com/search?q=world+population+in+1960&oq=world+population+in+1960).
... diet has been killing them with cancer ...The increased incidence of cancer is due to the increased life expectancy, (as shown on my previous graph), as cancer is primarily a disease of old age ... http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/incidence/age#heading-Zero .
Yet you say "reduced life expectancy" with "population growth". Where is your data to corroborate that ?
... diet has been killing them with cancer ...The increased incidence of cancer is due to the increased life expectancy, (as shown on my previous graph), as cancer is primarily a disease of old age ... http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/incidence/age#heading-Zero .
... Why don't you use a 200 year graph which would be more useful?
Cancer is not a disease of old age. Young babies can get cancer.
Cancer is a disease of cell dysfunction due to an abnormal diet ...
... Why don't you use a 200 year graph which would be more useful?
Why didn't you Google that graph yourself ? ...
(https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy.png?size=800x533&v=5e9f06e18c21c04a70876637b8c121a0)
https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy/Cancer is not a disease of old age. Young babies can get cancer.
I never said exclusively, I said primarily old age. look at the graph below: cancer occurs at all ages, but it's incidence rises steeply with age ...
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenakedscientists.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D68196.0%3Battach%3D22229%3Bimage&hash=b352c49adbfddd72fa382f2e32bd8780)
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/incidence/age#heading-Zero
Most cancer diagnoses are in retired-people (i.e. older than 65).Cancer is a disease of cell dysfunction due to an abnormal diet ...
And corrective "dietary supplements" are all available via NaturalNews (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Natural_News)* , at extortionate prices.
[* who have taken advantage of your paranoia and brainwashed you to buy & push their products ].
You've spent too much time down Mike's gopher hole (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/GoodGopher).
Life expectancy has increased due to new technology like sewerage works, refrigeration, electricity, trains, buses, air travel, water filtration, dams, irrigation etc. It has nothing to do with vaccination or any other medical procedure. The low life expectancy before 1890 was due to unsanitary living conditions, no refrigeration of food supply, poor sewerage system, pollution of water supply and lack of nutrition and knowledge of what constitutes good nutrition. Sugar, grain, alcohol and dairy being the cause of most early deaths at this time.
Life expectancy has increased due to new technology like sewerage works, refrigeration, electricity, trains, buses, air travel, water filtration, dams, irrigation etc. It has nothing to do with vaccination or any other medical procedure. The low life expectancy before 1890 was due to unsanitary living conditions, no refrigeration of food supply, poor sewerage system, pollution of water supply and lack of nutrition and knowledge of what constitutes good nutrition. Sugar, grain, alcohol and dairy being the cause of most early deaths at this time.
I have used boldface font to emphasize the parts of your post that help us argue that germ-caused diseases were addressed by technology, leading to increased life expectancy. Thank you.
So YOU AGREE that there are NO GERMS OR VIRUSES which cause disease and that it is only rotten food that causes disease. Thanks for your confirmation!
Things like better sewers increase lifespan because they carry away dangerous viruses.
Arsenic is seldom used to treat cancer
They don't give it a fancy name; they call it arsenic trioxide- because that's what it is.
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/cancers-in-general/treatment/cancer-drugs/arsenic
So YOU AGREE that there are NO GERMS OR VIRUSES which cause disease and that it is only rotten food that causes disease. Thanks for your confirmation!
No, I do NOT AGREE. It can very easily be shown that rotten food causes disease because of the GERMS that live on it, and sewage is host to all manner of BACTERIA and that mosquitos transmit VIRUSES, BACTERIA and PROTISTS. Thanks for playing!
http://bodyecology.com/articles/dr.-oz
The graph just shows that people die of cancer at the exact same rate as any other form of death, so there is nothing exceptional about it.
... they must include some kind of other toxic chemical to 'kill' the cancer.
... in reality, there is only one disease, which is VITAMIN DEFICIENCY ...
So YOU AGREE that there are NO GERMS OR VIRUSES which cause disease and that it is only rotten food that causes disease. Thanks for your confirmation!
No, I do NOT AGREE. It can very easily be shown that rotten food causes disease because of the GERMS that live on it, and sewage is host to all manner of BACTERIA and that mosquitos transmit VIRUSES, BACTERIA and PROTISTS. Thanks for playing!
These germs that are found in rotten food - where did they come from?
Health is all about harnessing good bacteria over bad bacteria. Bacteria belong in the lower intestine, not in the upper intestine. If you put bad bacteria in the upper intestine it will cause leaky gut syndrome and you will get sick.
http://bodyecology.com/articles/dr.-oz%E2%80%99s-leaky-gut-protocol-what-works-and-what%E2%80%99s-missing
Health is all about harnessing good bacteria over bad bacteria. Bacteria belong in the lower intestine, not in the upper intestine. If you put bad bacteria in the upper intestine it will cause leaky gut syndrome and you will get sick.
http://bodyecology.com/articles/dr.-oz%E2%80%99s-leaky-gut-protocol-what-works-and-what%E2%80%99s-missing
Unless you are in the habit of giving yourself an enema with dirty water, there's no way for the bacteria to get to the bottom end of the gut except through the top end- so your plan makes no sense.
So that means genetic illness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_disorder#Single-gene) & disease caused by bacteria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria#Pathogens) , helminths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminths) , protozoans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protozoa#In_humans), (along with viruses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus#Role_in_human_disease)) are fictional , according to you.
I think we should have you French-kiss a person with Ebola (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease) to prove your point.
... the pharmaceutical industry from litigation and from constantly poisoning the general public with pesticides and then blaming it all on invisible and non-existent viruses?
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/another-missing-ebola-factor-pesticides/
When are you guys gonna stop protecting the pharmaceutical industry from litigation and from constantly poisoning the general public with pesticides and then blaming it all on invisible and non-existent viruses?
When are you guys gonna stop protecting the pharmaceutical industry from litigation and from constantly poisoning the general public with pesticides
but they must include some kind of other toxic chemical to 'kill' the cancer.
The whole approach is wrong though. The concept that 'the body' itself as 'the enemy' is a faulty concept.
Jon is loony-tunes ... http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/1050-jon-rappoport.html
Jon don't like GMOs. Guess what's used to make GMOs ? ,
Clue: 5 letters, begins with a "v", and you don't believe they exist. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism#Production)
When are you going to start thinking about stuff before you post?
The pharmaceutical industry isn't related to pesticide production.
Viruses are visible- I cited a picture earlier.
The diseases existed before pharmacy- and now the pharmaceuticals treat the diseases.
That's why we live longer.
That's how we wiped out smallpox.
That's why people still get sick, even if they take vitamins.
None of your claims makes any sense.
That's not the "approach" at all. The malignant cells are "the enemy".
http://ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm
"Welcome to this website. If you are interested in free energy, cancer cures ..."http://ahealedplanet.net
http://ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htmQuote from: Wade Frazier"Welcome to this website. If you are interested in free energy, cancer cures ..."http://ahealedplanet.net
Conspiracy-theories (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory), like suppressed "free energy (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression)" & suppressed cancer cures (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine) don't withstand any analysis , e.g. ...
Would America fight trillion-dollar wars in the middle-east to ensure supplies of energy in the form of mineral-oil, if "free energy" technology existed ?.
How does American-pharma-mafia suppress these cancer-cures in, say, China & North Korea ?.
Why should China & North Korea suppress these cancer-cures, to the detriment of their own people, for the financial-benefit of capitalist pig-dogs in the USA ?
Only the paranoid (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paranoia) would repeat this "suppression" nonsense.
When are you going to start thinking about stuff before you post?
The pharmaceutical industry isn't related to pesticide production.
10,000 reasons why you are wrong lol!
http://npic.orst.edu/ingred/manuf.htmQuoteViruses are visible- I cited a picture earlier.
A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.QuoteThe diseases existed before pharmacy- and now the pharmaceuticals treat the diseases.
That's why we live longer.
That's how we wiped out smallpox.
That's why people still get sick, even if they take vitamins.
None of your claims makes any sense.
All false information.
I have posted the distribution graphs of pesticides in West Africa which shows the true cause of Ebola.
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/ebola/
Just address the topic. 'The Medical Racket' reference. You are getting off track and becoming nonsensical.
If you think muddy water is white, you are not paying attention to the real world.
It is not false to claim that we wiped out smallpox.
You know that and you are lying about it.
The same goes for the vitamins and lifespan.
I have posted the distribution graphs of pesticides in West Africa which shows the true cause of Ebola.
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/ebola/
A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.
So what causes disease then? The answer is that the modern diet is responsible. Sugar, grain, dairy and alcohol are all unnatural products which the human digestive system can't cope with and many people get sick because of this. That accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens. (chlorine, fluorine and bromine)
A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn-http.innerbody.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FHIV%2520virions.png&hash=2eafcffbe132a621a0a586e28c9a094b)
Color-enhanced Transmission Electron Micrograph..... I guess you didn't get the memo.
http://cdn-http.innerbody.com/sites/default/files/HIV%20virions.png
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So what causes disease then? The answer is that the modern diet is responsible. Sugar, grain, dairy and alcohol are all unnatural products which the human digestive system can't cope with and many people get sick because of this. That accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens. (chlorine, fluorine and bromine)
2 words = neonatal meningitis
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Looks like all natural cells to me. I don't see any viruses?
So what causes disease then? The answer is that the modern diet is responsible. Sugar, grain, dairy and alcohol are all unnatural products which the human digestive system can't cope with and many people get sick because of this. That accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens. (chlorine, fluorine and bromine)
2 words = neonatal meningitis
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Huh?
I have posted the distribution graphs of pesticides in West Africa which shows the true cause of Ebola.
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/ebola/
QUOTES FROM YOUR LINK: "there is no proof that HIV exists."
"there is no proof of the isolation of a retrovirus from AIDS patients. [HIV is said to be a retrovirus]"
lol.... Try using references that aren't chock full o' manure.
Science. 1986 Jul 18;233(4761):343-6.
Isolation of a new human retrovirus from West African patients with AIDS.
Clavel F, Guétard D, Brun-Vézinet F, Chamaret S, Rey MA, Santos-Ferreira MO, Laurent AG, Dauguet C, Katlama C, Rouzioux C, et al.
The etiological agent of AIDS, LAV/HTLV-III, is common in Central Africa but is not endemic in other areas of that continent. A novel human retrovirus, distinct from LAV/HTLV-III, has now been isolated from two AIDS patients from West Africa. Partial characterization of this virus revealed that it has biological and morphological properties very similar to LAV but that it differs in some of its antigenic components. Although the core antigens may share some common epitopes, the West African AIDS retrovirus and LAV differ substantially in their envelope glycoproteins. The envelope antigen of the West African virus can be recognized by serum from a macaque with simian AIDS infected by the simian retrovirus termed STLV-IIImac, suggesting that the West African AIDS virus may be more closely related to this simian virus than to LAV. Hybridization experiments with LAV subgenomic probes further established that this new retrovirus, here referred to as LAV-II, is distantly related to LAV and distinct from STLV-IIImac.
PMID: 2425430
Look up the etiology of neonatal meningitis.
Then try applying your warped theory.
Not happening.
A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn-http.innerbody.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FHIV%2520virions.png&hash=2eafcffbe132a621a0a586e28c9a094b)
Color-enhanced Transmission Electron Micrograph..... I guess you didn't get the memo.
http://cdn-http.innerbody.com/sites/default/files/HIV%20virions.png
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Looks like all natural cells to me. I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.
It doesn't matter how many words we use- because you ignore them anyway.
Look up the etiology of neonatal meningitis.
Then try applying your warped theory.
Not happening.
Still don't get what you are on about?
Try using more than two words to describe something. It should work wonders for you! lol!
Look up the etiology of neonatal meningitis.
Then try applying your warped theory.
Not happening.
Still don't get what you are on about?
Try using more than two words to describe something. It should work wonders for you! lol!
I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.
Looks like all natural cells to me. I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.
I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.
Like it or not.... the highlighted green are emergent/premature HIV-1 virions, confirmed via CTEM.
What distinguishes these from regular cells that might be found in blood?
Being a thousand times smallerI don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.
Like it or not.... the highlighted green are emergent/premature HIV-1 virions, confirmed via CTEM.
What distinguishes these from regular cells that might be found in blood?
virion (vī′rē-ŏn′, vîr′ē-)
A complete viral particle, consisting of RNA or DNA surrounded by a protein shell and constituting the infective form of a virus.
Pick up a textbook.
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Being a thousand times smaller
Being infections
Having different DNA
1. There is no size scale on the picture - Thus - False
2. There is no description of what part of the body this is.
3. There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses.
4. How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?
5. How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?
" No size scale indicated - Thus - False"
If I showed you a picture of a man with a mouse in his hand and said that the man was bigger than the mouse would you say that isn't true because he is not holding a ruler?
The size is indicated by the presence of a cell in the picture. The virus particles are about a thousand times smaller.
did you not understand that?
"Has never been duplicated in a petri dish using a medium from to separate individuals."
Yes it has. In particular with Norovirus because it's difficult to culture ( a recent breakthrough means they no longer have to use human volunteers.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825172254.htm
" Doesn't have any DNA - Thus - False"
Yes they do. Here's an article about the chickenpox virus genome
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3413377/
It seems rude to ask but, do you (ya) have some sort of learning disorder that stops you (ya) understanding things like not needing a scale to see if one thing is bigger than another (punk)?
lol.... Next?
That's because the virions are budding from a [cultured] lymphocyte genius.
"Virion morphogenesis can be divided into three stages: assembly, wherein the virion is created and essential components are packaged; budding, wherein the virion crosses the plasma membrane and obtains its lipid envelope; and maturation, wherein the virion changes structure and becomes infectious." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3385941/
No reasonable reply - Thus, still false. Providing a bigger picture (enlarged) which doesn't include a size scale is still unscientific nonsense.
The pictures vary significantly from the text book version
Its all just computer generated and fabricated nonsense to justify and prevent billions of dollars in litigation by the general public.
Bad diet causes disease and that's that.
Viruses are just normal body produced hormones and cells which the body uses to rid itself of unwanted pollution and garbage which the stupid person has allowed to enter their bodies.
End of story! Get with it! Don't support criminal medical organisations and other fraudsters.
No reasonable reply - Thus, still false. Providing a bigger picture (enlarged) which doesn't include a size scale is still unscientific nonsense.
rofl.... Ever hear of the nanometer scale genius?
So, you added a scale which wasn't there before. Good Photoshop skills. I congratulate you! Soooooooooorrrrrrry.............. but the horse has already bolted! lol The fraud has been exposed!
So, you added a scale which wasn't there before. Good Photoshop skills. I congratulate you! Soooooooooorrrrrrry.............. but the horse has already bolted! lol The fraud has been exposed!
I didn't "add" anything to the picture and nobody photoshopped it either rofl.....
If you would like to take issue with the credibility of the picture, perhaps you should contact CDC/ C. Goldsmith, P. Feorino, E. L. Palmer, & W. R. McManus.
Note - The electron microscope is hopeless at photographing soft squishy objects such as cells. Its only practical application is for hard materials such as rock or metallic objects.
Note - I have worked in an electron microscope unit, so don't try to bluff me with garbage.
Note - The electron microscope is hopeless at photographing soft squishy objects such as cells. Its only practical application is for hard materials such as rock or metallic objects.
Setting aside the observation that the picture does have a scale bar- that you didn't notice- you still don't need a ruler to see that a man holding a mouse is bigger than the mouse." No size scale indicated - Thus - False"
If I showed you a picture of a man with a mouse in his hand and said that the man was bigger than the mouse would you say that isn't true because he is not holding a ruler?
The size is indicated by the presence of a cell in the picture. The virus particles are about a thousand times smaller.
did you not understand that?
Still no size scale! - Thus false. Unscientific idiotic nonsense! To be a scientist, you MUST use scientific methodologies. The reason they keep omitting size scale references is because they are committing a fraud and don't want to get caught!Quote"Has never been duplicated in a petri dish using a medium from to separate individuals."
Yes it has. In particular with Norovirus because it's difficult to culture ( a recent breakthrough means they no longer have to use human volunteers.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825172254.htm
Norovirus - or other wise known as 'cruise ship disease'. People who travel on cruises eat and live like imbeciles with little sleep, too much alcohol, bad diet and very little exercise. Thus, this is the reason that they get sick and has nothing to do with viruses. Again - dairy, sugar and grain the main cause - resulting in leaky gut syndrome.Quote" Doesn't have any DNA - Thus - False"
Yes they do. Here's an article about the chickenpox virus genome
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3413377/
The whole virus identification process is a fraud. Separation of similar sized particles in a spinning test tube doesn't equate with a virus. Garbage!QuoteIt seems rude to ask but, do you (ya) have some sort of learning disorder that stops you (ya) understanding things like not needing a scale to see if one thing is bigger than another (punk)?
Well do ya feel lucky punk? Well, do ya? ( Dirty Harry?) lol!
Do you have any more movie equivalent quips?
OK, why do their doctors + nurses- who are not on holiday and don't behave like that- also get sick?
Here's a hint- it's an infectious agent.
Specifically- it's a virus.
"Separation of similar sized particles in a spinning test tube doesn't equate with a virus."
How fortunate that nobody said that it was.
Did you think you were making a point?
Again, things like this
"Well do ya feel lucky punk? Well, do ya? ( Dirty Harry?) lol!
Do you have any more movie equivalent quips?"
leave me wondering if you need help.
QuoteOK, why do their doctors + nurses- who are not on holiday and don't behave like that- also get sick?
Here's a hint- it's an infectious agent.
Specifically- it's a virus.
"Separation of similar sized particles in a spinning test tube doesn't equate with a virus."
How fortunate that nobody said that it was.
Did you think you were making a point?
Again, things like this
"Well do ya feel lucky punk? Well, do ya? ( Dirty Harry?) lol!
Do you have any more movie equivalent quips?"
leave me wondering if you need help.
Hmm? More junk mail again! Nothing important to say? No refutations or serious comments? Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait till I get an intelligent response. lol!
Do you realise that, for example, pointing out that the doctors on cruise ships catch norovirus from their patients proves that there's an infectious agent involved. So it' not junk, it is a refutation of your absurd viewpoint.
I believe that viruses don't exist and nobody has ever seen a virus.Well, you're certainly entitled to believe what you'd like to. However you're assertion about nobody having ever seen a virus is incorrect. Since viruses as so small they can't be seen with the naked eye. One has to use an electron microscope to see them. For more on this please see the following webpage: http://penpals.web.unc.edu/2013/04/14/what-microscopes-do-you-use-to-see-microbes/
Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream which makes you sick. Then - the stupid medical system blames it on the viruses and not the food and lifestyle.
Quote from: AtkhenakenI believe that viruses don't exist and nobody has ever seen a virus.Well, you're certainly entitled to believe what you'd like to. However you're assertion about nobody having ever seen a virus is incorrect. Since viruses as so small they can't be seen with the naked eye. One has to use an electron microscope to see them. For more on this please see the following webpage: http://penpals.web.unc.edu/2013/04/14/what-microscopes-do-you-use-to-see-microbes/
I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post because it would take too much work to correct all of your mistakes, mistakes which are rooting in your lack of knowledge of the relevant sciences.
Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream which makes you sick. Then - the stupid medical system blames it on the viruses and not the food and lifestyle.
Your theory is comical at best. Go ahead and provide an explanation as to the etiology and/or pathogenesis of neonatal viral meningitis, or neonatal herpes simplex virus..... since viruses don't exist & all disease is caused by poor diet & lifestyle choices lol
There is no such thing as viral meningitis.
Viral meningitis is inflammation of the layers of tissue that cover the brain and spinal cord (meninges) and of the fluid-filled space between the meninges (subarachnoid space). It is caused by viruses.
The most common cause of viral meningitis is Enteroviruses, such as echovirus and coxsackievirus. Enteroviruses tend to reside in the digestive tract. Infections are very contagious.
Other common causes include Herpes simplex virus (HSV), usually type 2 (HSV-2)
Mosquito-borne viruses (called arboviruses), such as West Nile virus, St. Louis encephalitis virus, and California encephalitis virus
Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)
https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/brain,-spinal-cord,-and-nerve-disorders/meningitis/viral-meningitis
I think that you will find that in all cases of prenatal meningitis the mother was given some form of drug which has attacked the nervous system of the baby.
Do you realise that, for example, pointing out that the doctors on cruise ships catch norovirus from their patients proves that there's an infectious agent involved. So it' not junk, it is a refutation of your absurd viewpoint.
The reason that people who live together all get sick is because they all do the same stupid things. They all eat the same foods, drink alcohol, no exercise, little sleep, constant air-conditioning and little sunlight. That's the reason. You seem to think that people who travel on cruises just have bad luck and get norovirus because they are unlucky. Can't you put two and two together and see that there is a pattern here? Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream which makes you sick. Then - the stupid medical system blames it on the viruses and not the food and lifestyle. Why? Reason - Because all medical practitioners are frauds and they must disguise the true cause of disease so that people keep getting sick and need more doctors to 'fix' them. Thus, therein lies the scam.
You keep having to lie to support your "point"
For example, you say "You seem to think that people who travel on cruises just have bad luck and get norovirus because they are unlucky."
there's no basis for saying that is there?
It's just stuff you made up isn't it?
"Can't you put two and two together and see that there is a pattern here? Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome "
I can put two and two together.
Since the doctors are not involved in the drinking etc and yet they still get sick the cause cannot possibly be due to the drink + overeating so it must be something else- like an infection.
Do you have any evidence?
Do you have any evidence?
lol....
More than enough contrasting evidence has been presented.
Evidence is only valuable to those who can comprehend it.
You have [zero] evidence to support your opinion and it's quite obvious "you still have a long, long way to go"
Buh bye
The amount of sickness on a cruise ship is greater than off cruise ships. Therefore, there is something that's occurring during a cruise which is causing this excessive sickness.
You obviously haven't watched a single episode of 'The Love Boat'. 'Doc' was a serial womanizer and reveler in all the excesses that go on in a cruise ship. lol
Get a life moron!
Do you have any evidence? Answer - No! Obviously! lol! What a joke you are!
"The Love Boat" is not real- did you think it was a documentary or something?
If you have to resort to pretending that is evidence you have pretty much admitted that you know that you are wrong.
Calling me a moron doesn't make you any less of a fool.
I have a life thanks- it doesn't involve saying stuff that's plainly untrue on web sites.
Pointing out that your "reference" "the love boat" is a made-up story is not dodging, evasion or whatever.
Not addressing the fact that doctors (and others) who are not drinking or eating to excess, also get sick is evasion.
As for your 6 questions- why should I even bother to address them.
The first couple don't even make sense.
Why assume the virus has to "go" somewhere?
" There is no description of what part of the body this is."
What body part are you talking about?
"There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses."
Yes there is- they were cultured + DNA typed.
"How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?"
You seem not to have noticed that was already answered Here's Exothermic's reply again for you
""Virion morphogenesis can be divided into three stages: assembly, wherein the virion is created and essential components are packaged; budding, wherein the virion crosses the plasma membrane and obtains its lipid envelope; and maturation, wherein the virion changes structure and becomes infectious." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3385941/"
"How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?"
It doesn't.
Nobody said it did.
That's another lie you made up.
"There are no exterior receptor nodules which are apparent in the text (digital) diagrams."
That's because they are very small- which is obvious if you actually learn about them.
By the way, I think this finally nails your naive idea that it's caused by modern unhealthy lifestyle choices.
http://www.smdailyjournal.com/articles/lnews/2016-07-29/norovirus-outbreak-hits-sisters-of-mercy/1776425165805.html
... When a blood cell is stressed by a polluted environment it becomes spiky and looks looks like what a virus is supposed to look like. (whatever that is) lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm............. must be just a strange conincidence
... When a blood cell is stressed by a polluted environment it becomes spiky and looks looks like what a virus is supposed to look like. (whatever that is) lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm............. must be just a strange conincidence
The spiky (crenated) red blood cells are 1000x the size of a virus ...
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencephoto.com%2Fimage%2F304734%2Flarge%2FP2420233-Coloured_SEM_of_red_blood_cells_erythrocytes_-SPL.jpg&hash=bf53047e4f6251da7d3f5f62c630fa48)
http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304734/view
You can learn about scale here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUAFqkS7y9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUAFqkS7y9M)
Can you show me a photo of a spiky red blood cell next to a virus so that I can see the difference. This shouldn't be too hard to do considering that viruses invade the blood supply.
Can you show me a photo of a spiky red blood cell next to a virus so that I can see the difference. This shouldn't be too hard to do considering that viruses invade the blood supply.
There will be no pictures of virus emerging from red blood cells as they don't have a nucleus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_blood_cell#Mammalian_erythrocytes) : no DNA inside. So viruses cannot be made by a red blood cells.
Viruses can be made by white blood cells, you've already seen pictures of that in this thread.
Here's a link to more such images ... http://www.sciencephoto.com/search?subtype=keywords&searchstring=lymphocyte+virus+-illustration
Red & white blood cells are about the same size ...
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencephoto.com%2Fimage%2F304720%2Flarge%2FP2420218-Colour_SEM_of_red_white_blood_cells-SPL.jpg&hash=d5eba7b4dbb228faee76039e924e5110)
http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304720/view
T - Lymphocytes produce hormones ... This is what you are seeing. These are not viruses.
T - Lymphocytes produce hormones ... This is what you are seeing. These are not viruses.
If blobs of hormones occurred they would be homogeneous : with a uniform cross-section : they would not have structure (http://education.expasy.org/images/Budding.jpg), which virus buds have ...
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencephoto.com%2Fimage%2F248305%2F530wm%2FM0500532-Coloured_TEM_of_HIV_viruses_budding_from_a_T-cell-SPL.jpg&hash=c55dae878ce7d89f6553e087014106f2)
http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/248305/view
Please state -
1. Method used in obtaining photos
2. Size scale in nm
Please state -
1. Method used in obtaining photos
2. Size scale in nm
If you click on the "sciencephoto" link below the photo the method [TEM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_electron_microscopy)] and magnification are specified.