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On the Lighter Side => Complementary Medicine => Topic started by: Juzzy on 11/07/2006 18:32:34
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Does anyone have any suggestions on how one can lower their cholesterol levels?
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Exercise regularly!
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Yep, food-wise, you can eat a bowl of porridge for breakfast. Not the instant muck with all the rubbish in, just plain rolled oats, nothing else.
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Nothing else! [:0] What does it taste like? NOTHING!? [:)]
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Add Cinnamon to many things it also has been recommended to me for keeping the cholesterol down!
Oatmeal regular not instant! Like Don said.. but I can't stand it without some of the good stuff but you can use Splenda's brown sugar or fruit such as apples raisins etc....strawberries..
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How about some good old fruit and veges?
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Yep.. very good!
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I hear that eating egg yolks is really bad for your cholestrol levels (is that true?)? Is it really that bad to eat two eggs a day? I do exercise regularly...
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Eating a healthy diet is always important like C4M says...
Exercising when you can and Losing weight will help!
Taking your medicine if your Doctor has prescribed cholesterol lowering medication! This sometimes is necessary and helpful.
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cholesterol/HQ00608
Eggs: Are they good or bad for my cholesterol?
I'm confused. Are eggs good or bad for my cholesterol?
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Mayo Clinic cardiologist Thomas Behrenbeck, M.D., and colleagues answer select questions from readers.
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It's understandable that you're confused. Eggs are high in cholesterol, and a diet high in cholesterol can contribute to elevated blood cholesterol levels. However, the extent to which dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol levels isn't clear. Many scientists believe that saturated fats and trans fats have a greater impact than does dietary cholesterol in raising blood cholesterol.
Adding to the confusion, the American Heart Association recently acknowledged that as long as you limit dietary cholesterol from other sources, it may be possible to include a daily egg in a healthy diet — a statement that was heavily reported in the media.
Here are the facts: One large egg has about 213 milligrams (mg) of cholesterol — all of which is found in the yolk. If you are healthy, it's recommended that you limit your dietary cholesterol intake to less than 300 mg a day. If you have cardiovascular disease, diabetes or high LDL (or "bad") cholesterol, you should limit your dietary cholesterol intake to less than 200 mg a day. Therefore, if you eat an egg on a given day, it's important to limit or avoid other sources of cholesterol for the rest of that day.
If you like eggs but don't want the extra cholesterol, use egg whites. Egg whites contain no cholesterol. You may also use cholesterol-free egg substitutes, which are made with egg whites. If you want to reduce cholesterol in a recipe that calls for eggs, use two egg whites or 1/4 cup cholesterol-free egg substitute in place of one whole egg.
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I hear that eating egg yolks is really bad for your cholestrol levels (is that true?)? Is it really that bad to eat two eggs a day? I do exercise regularly...
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=2100.0
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Thanks for that.
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Your welcome.
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I hate to FOG you but I believe that it's "You're Welcome" [;D]
FOG
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*smiles* "You're right!"
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Many people these days, including me, want to stay away from statin based drugs, (rightfully so, the side-effects I experienced were a nightmare!) I would recommended that you do an online search for natural cholesterol lowering supplements. I have been taking a supplement titled some product I am probably spamming for about five months and have had solid results.
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Many people these days, including me, want to stay away from statin based drugs, (rightfully so, the side-effects I experienced were a nightmare!) I would recommended that you do an online search for natural cholesterol lowering supplements. I have been taking a supplement titled cholestprotect for about five months and have had solid results.
Hi George, what kind of side effects were ewe getting ? I'd be very interested to know.
Oat bran is supposed to be very good as is garlic. I once read that Niacin (in high doses) was excellent also but of course check with you GP first before trying something like that. I found this link regarding Niacin and cholesterol http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9489
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I went to the doc recently and discovered I had high cholesterol level. I exercise regularly and eat a healthy diet. My doc said it's possible to fix it with diet, but it's a lot simpler to go on the pills - although he said no more that 2 eggs per week.
He put me on "Lipitor" (atorvastatin calcium). Brought my cholesterol down to good levels in under a month, fortunately without any side effects.
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There isn't unanimity amongst doctors on this matter ... http://www.thincs.org/members.htm
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You can eat two garlic buds early in the morning and two before going to sleep in the night.that helps to reduce cholesterol.
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You can eat two garlic buds early in the morning and two before going to sleep in the night.that helps to reduce cholesterol.
Its also a good contraceptive and gives you some peace and quiet.
Nobody talks to you for fear that you might talk to them! (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.clipartof.com%2Fthumbnails%2F12174.jpg&hash=a9be7226d0a688b3b55209ab177da304)
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You can eat two garlic buds early in the morning and two before going to sleep in the night.that helps to reduce cholesterol.
Neglible effects I believe. You need at least 2000mg of garlic a day to have any noticeable results. But I'm willing to be persuaded if anyone can show some research and statistics.
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Does anyone have any suggestions on how one can lower their cholesterol levels?
Keep of the cheese, particularly hard cheese.
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Three basic recommendations. Exercise regularly, change your diet and supplement it with cholesterol lowering medication. I tried Medical watermelons, check here - MOD EDIT
NO ADVERTS!
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Eat less meat, less dairy made from full milk and egg yolk. Eat more fruit, vegies and nuts grains, dont forget to eat fish and things that contain omega3.
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I just came across the same question I was looking for. My cholesterol level is bad and I recently got my blood analysis to prove it. The doctor was all about eat healthy, maybe light jogging and stuff but how am I supposed to know what to eat, maybe it wont affect my body since no two are the same. So I can see that people here have made some good points... anyways try to read about some effective lowering cholesterol diet (http://loweringcholesterolguide.com/) that can help you reduce your bad cholesterol. I hope you see this message after such long time.
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People who exercise are usually healthy.
Eat light food
Garlic may help protect the heart by reducing cholesterol and making the blood less sticky.
Nuts are very effective at lowering cholesterol levels.
Orange: Sweetest medicine. Taking2-4 oranges a day may help keep colds away, lower cholesterol, prevent& dissolve kidney stones as well as lessen the risk of colon cancer
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Why bother? The correlation between cholesterol and premature death is much weaker than the correlation between statins and serious degeneration of all sorts of functions. We need cholesterol to make a whole lot of other stuff. If the level is abnormally high, it means that something else is wrong. Treat the cause, not the symptom.
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I also take a supplement that I saw on amazon of artichokes that helps to reduce cholesterol. What do you think is better that or the red rice one?
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Cholesterol level is largely dictated by your genes.
You can eat high cholesterol foods without familial hypercholesteroleamia (high cholesterol thats genetically passed down to you) and be ok.
Cholesterol lowering statins are the most effective way of reducing it (read more on [spam]online pharmacy[/url] site).
Don’t listen to scaremongering regarding statins, although some statins don’t suit everyone, there are lots of different ones so there are options.
It is vital that your ‘bad’ cholesterol level is lowered.
Keep up with the healthy lifestyle and keep up with your GP.
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Add whey protein, eat foods rich in omega-3 fatty acids, reduce saturated fats
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vit. B3, berebrine, alpha lipoic acid
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Choose chicken meat in favor of pork or beef.
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extra-virgin olive oil is very efficient to lower the bad cholesterol (or better said, when used, the cholesterol stay in the cell membrane instead of leaking toward the blood).
When eated in great quantities it also counteract the use of the bad fats we found in all our food.
Here some other recommendation : https://www.health.harvard.edu/nutrition/is-extra-virgin-olive-oil-extra-healthy
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extra-virgin olive oil is very efficient to lower the bad cholesterol (or better said, when used, the cholesterol stay in the cell membrane instead of leaking toward the blood).
When eated in great quantities it also counteract the use of the bad fats we found in all our food.
Here some other recommendation : https://www.health.harvard.edu/nutrition/is-extra-virgin-olive-oil-extra-healthy
Yes, but we have to be careful and choose only a natural one.
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Yes, but we have to be careful and choose only a natural one.
Of course, and this is what i do.
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I am intrigued by the idea of "unnatural" olive oil.
Where does it come from?
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I am intrigued by the idea of "unnatural" olive oil.
Where does it come from?
You never heard about pesticides ?
Natural plants grows without these poisons and they are better for the health if you eat them in great quantities..
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Natural plants grows without these poisons
In reality, quite a lot of plants make their own pesticides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrum
And the olive itself is a potential source of pesticides.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2015/541591/
Why do you do this?
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In reality, quite a lot of plants make their own pesticides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrum
Everyone know that.
We are here talking about the olive oil.
And the olive itself is a potential source of pesticides.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2015/541591/
Very few toxic molecules (not sure we can tell them "pesticides"), and that is the conclusion of the study you provided and dident read yourself (or perhaps you dident understand, not sure).
Furthemore, you try to fool peoples saying that a natural plant is equal healthy then unnatural plants.
This is total nonsense. Even a child actually know that adding pesticides can at least only make you ill, there is no health benefice at eating them (the pesticides).
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Why do you do this?
It is a good idea you had by asking this question.
Myself i suppose why you do that : Because you have worked in the chemical industry and like to propagate false information so as we continue to use pesticides (money money...)
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Everyone know that.
If everyone knows that "quite a lot of plants make their own pesticides", why did you say that "Natural plants grows without these poisons"?
Again, I suggest that you stop posting until you make up your mind.
not sure we can tell them "pesticides"
What do you think the plant makes them for?
Even a child actually know that adding pesticides can at least only make you ill, there is no health benefice at eating them (the pesticides).
A slightly better informed child will realise that, without the pesticides, the pests will eat the food before we do.
Starvation will make you ill and kill you a lot quicker than pesticides.
A slightly wiser child still will realise that some of the most poisonous materials known are produced by fungi, so, if you can add something relatively non-toxic to food in order to avoid having fungi grow on it, not only increases crop yield, but reduces overall toxicity.
Also, you make be shocked to discover this but the materials (like pyrethrin) we use as pesticides are usually chosen not to be very toxic to people.
Furthemore, you try to fool peoples saying that a natural plant is equal healthy then unnatural plants.
No.
I pointed out that there is no such thing as an unnatural plant (I realise that you might argue the toss about GM, but that's beside the point).
Fundamentally, pesticide use has allowed humanity to live longer healthier lives.
I'm not the one "fooling" people.
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Myself i suppose why you do that : Because you have worked in the chemical industry and like to propagate false information so as we continue to use pesticides (money money...)
Wrong on all counts.
You should probably stop trying to work out what other people think until you can make up your mind about what you think.
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Very few toxic molecules (not sure we can tell them "pesticides"), and that is the conclusion of the study you provided and dident read yourself (or perhaps you dident understand, not sure).
Here's the bit I read.
"These findings suggested that olive waste waters may be used in agriculture for pests management ".
And here's the paper from which that's quoted.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814610013117
So that's a scientific report of compounds being suggested as potential pesticides.
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So that's a scientific report of compounds being suggested as potential pesticides.
May, and Suggested.
You can also use salt and call it "pesticide".
https://oureverydaylife.com/salt-as-an-insecticide-12351017.html
Natural olive is healthy and adding pesticides can not make it more healthy when you know how to produce the olives.
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You should probably stop trying to work out what other people think until you can make up your mind about what you think.
Hahaha.
Here you say you know that i dont know how i think myself.
And that nobody should say what other people think.
Sounds totaly nonsense, isnt-it ?
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Here you say you know that i dont know how i think myself.
Yes. I say that because it's what the evidence shows.
Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 19:30:48
In reality, quite a lot of plants make their own pesticides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrum
Everyone know that.
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Natural plants grows without these poisons
So, do you know that plants produce poisons or do you think that they grow without poisons?And that nobody should say what other people think.
I never said that, did I?
Why did you make up that lie?
May, and Suggested.
That's what I said.
And the olive itself is a potential source of pesticides.
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Two more for you, bored chemist.: azadirachtin from the neem tree and rotenone from(I can't remember). And the weedkiller phosphinothricin aka glufosinate is a natural product(fungal origin?)
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Rotenone is from derris.
The best know is probably nicotine. It's unusual in that, on a weight for weight basis, it's more toxic to people than to insects.
But it has the advantage that you can market it as "natural".
Some people think that natural stuff means it's extra good.
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Two more for you, bored chemist.:
You could also try Common Fleabane (UK), name indicates how it was used. Relative of pyrethrum.
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From the perspective of the plant, every poisonous plant is making pesticides.
Somehow, Deecart has interpreted this as "Natural plants grows without these poisons
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But it has the advantage that you can market it as "natural".
Some people think that natural stuff means it's extra good.
This is the old false argument the pesticide industry lobby used for decades so as to denigrate the natural goods.
"We can use pesticide because most plants have "pesticide" to fight agains insects etc.
"So natural plants do not exists, lets spread some other pesticide on them".
Same question to you : Why do you do this?
Are you part of this lobby ?
https://www.e-nema.de/service-en/news/how-the-pesticide-lobby-is-fooling-europe/
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Pointing out errors in what you say does not make me an advocate for the opposing view. It make me an advocate for science.
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Fundamentally, pesticide use has allowed humanity to live longer healthier lives.
You definitivly belong to the agroindustry lobbyists.
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Fundamentally, pesticide use has allowed humanity to live longer healthier lives.
You definitivly belong to the agroindustry lobbyists.
Why tell that lie.
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Why tell that lie.
It is you who lies.
By chance some poeple are debunking your false claims :
UN experts denounce 'myth' pesticides are necessary to feed the world
Report warns of catastrophic consequences and blames manufacturers for ‘systematic denial of harms’ and ‘unethical marketing tactics’
The idea that pesticides are essential to feed a fast-growing global population is a myth, according to UN food and pollution experts.
A new report, being presented to the UN human rights council on Wednesday, is severely critical of the global corporations that manufacture pesticides, accusing them of the “systematic denial of harms”, “aggressive, unethical marketing tactics” and heavy lobbying of governments which has “obstructed reforms and paralysed global pesticide restrictions”.
The report says pesticides have “catastrophic impacts on the environment, human health and society as a whole”, including an estimated 200,000 deaths a year from acute poisoning. Its authors said: “It is time to create a global process to transition toward safer and healthier food and agricultural production.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/07/un-experts-denounce-myth-pesticides-are-necessary-to-feed-the-world
Here the study : https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G17/017/85/PDF/G1701785.pdf?OpenElement
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You said
You definitivly belong to the agroindustry lobbyists.
And I don't.
So what you said was not true.
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We are here talking about the olive oil.
an estimated 200,000 deaths a year from acute poisoning
How many of those are from olive oil?
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The study here.
https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G17/017/85/PDF/G1701785.pdf?OpenElement
fails to address a number of issues.
They say the problem isn't an issue of adequate production of food, but poor distribution and supply.
Pesticides help with those aspects, but that fact is apparently left out of the report.
They say "Despite their widespread use, chemical pesticides have not achieved reduction in crop losses in the last 40 years".
I guess that's true. But it rather misses the point. Without the improved crop yields that were brought about by pesticides from about 1945 to about 1980, we wouldn't be able to feed the world.
https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields
You will need to find a less biased report.
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How many of those are from olive oil?
Death is the final issue.
How many poeple are becoming sick because of non natural pesticides you mean ?
Plenty.
So,stay away from unnatural plants.
By the way, because you asked how many poeple died from the natural olive oil : 0
Natural olive oil has many benefits on health.
This is in the first study you proposed (and obviously like i previously said, you dident understand it) : The toxicity of natural olive oil has been tested on mises, it is almost null (you need great quantities with very long period to achieve some health problem and i dont talk about death).
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OK, so... pesticides increase the yield from olive trees (if they did not, the olive farmers would not waste money on them.)
So pesticides make olive oil more readily available, and cheaper.
The evidence shows that olive oil in your diet is a good thing.
Pesticides mean that more people get that good thing.
The evidence for the benefits from olive oil were established by asking about people's diets. They will have asked if they used olive oil.
But they almost certainly didn't ask if they used "organically grown" olive oil.
So the benefits which have been found will be associated with using ordinary olive oil- including the stuff on which pesticides were used.
So, if there were any detrimental effects from the pesticides, they must have been outweighed by the benefits of the oil.
So, if we stop using pesticides then there will be less oil and fewer people will benefit.
Why do you want that?
Do you see that it's not because I'm a shill for the pesticides industry.
It's because I understand risk/benefit analysis.
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Pesticides help with those aspects, but that fact is apparently left out of the report.
Unnatural pesticides is responsible of the 80% insect loss within the last 30 years.
This lead to millions of deaths within the birds and other vertebrates.
The soil is almost dead everywhere and not only where the pesticide has been sprayed.
Continuing this behavior is pure suicide, it does not help the human to feed :We are are the beginning of some great starvation worldwide. Wake up...we have only some few years to change this.
So you say that the plants produce "pesticides" since hundred millions of years and nothing like that has never happened ?
But for you unnatural and natural pesticide is the same ?
Bullshit !
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The toxicity of natural olive oil has been tested on mises, it is almost null
I presume you mean tested on mice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus_(genus)
So what?
Mice are known to eat olives.
https://wekillweeds.com/keep-mice-and-rats-away-best-tips/
Mice are, I suspect, not a major pest in olive groves. If they are, it makes more sense to get a cat.
Since mice are not a pest, it does not make sense to test pesticides on them.
You don't know much about toxicology, do you?
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Pesticides help with those aspects, but that fact is apparently left out of the report.
Unnatural pesticides is responsible of the 80% insect loss within the last 30 years.
This lead to millions of deaths within the birds and other vertebrates.
The soil is almost dead everywhere and not only where the pesticide has been sprayed.
Continuing this behavior is pure suicide, it does not help the human to feed :We are are the beginning of some great starvation worldwide. Wake up...we have only some few years to change this.
So you say that the plants produce "pesticides" since hundred millions of years and nothing like that has never happened ?
But for you unnatural and natural pesticide is the same ?
Bullshit !
Did you read the report you cited?
"International human rights law sets forth comprehensive State obligations to respect, protect and fulfil human rights. In particular, the rights to adequate food and to health provide clear protections for all people against excessive or inappropriate use of pesticides.
They understand the difference between appropriate use and inappropriate use of pesticides.
Why don't you?
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So what?
Mice are known to eat olives.
https://wekillweeds.com/keep-mice-and-rats-away-best-tips/
Mice are, I suspect, not a major pest in olive groves. If they are, it makes more sense to get a cat.
Since mice are not a pest, it does not make sense to test pesticides on them.
You don't know much about toxicology, do you?
I dont know if i know much or less, but i can at least read.
So what ?
5. Toxicology
The effects of OLE on the hematology, biochemistry, kidney, and liver of Wistar male albino rats were determined to evaluate its toxicity profile. Total 30 rats were included in the study and fed on the OLE for 6 weeks. They were divided into five groups with group 1 being the control group (regular diet without OLE), and the other four groups fed on 0.2%, 0.4%, 0.7%, and 0.9%, respectively. The factors that were studied were lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), concentrations of alkaline phosphatase (ALP) in serum, cholesterol, bilirubin, triglycerides, and glucose levels. Groups 3, 4, and 5 showed a significant increase in the total bilirubin and serum ALP levels while cholesterol, glucose, and serum triglyceride levels were decreased in these groups as compared to the control group. Group 5 was affected the most as its liver and kidneys showed alterations in their tissues including necrosis of hepatocytes and a slight hemorrhage. So it was concluded that OLE should be used with care, especially, when being used at higher doses for longer periods of times as it may have undesirable effects on liver and kidneys [256]. Safety profile of maslinic acid (67), a compound isolated from the cuticle of O. europaea, was assessed by oral administration of high doses to mice. It was observed that a single oral administration of 1000 mg/Kg to mice did not produce any adverse effects and upon administration of a daily dose of 50 mg/Kg for 28 days did not produce any symptoms of toxicity [257].
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2015/541591/
This is the paper you proposed yourself....
So what?
Mice are known to eat olives.
https://wekillweeds.com/keep-mice-and-rats-away-best-tips/
Mice are, I suspect, not a major pest in olive groves. If they are, it makes more sense to get a cat.
Since mice are not a pest, it does not make sense to test pesticides on them.
Hahaha, thats at least some funy tought.
Mice dont eat olives ! (LOL)
You don't know much about toxicology, do you?
A little and it looks like you dont know a clue of it : We do many toxicological studies on mice and rat (because they are similar to humans of course).
They dont need to eat olives so as to be used for the tests... (sorry but i need to laught again).
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A little and it looks like you dont know a clue of it : We do many toxicological studies on mice and rat (because they are similar to humans of course).
And they tell us nothing about whether or not something kills greenfly or whatever (because insects are not very similar to humans or to mice).
So they are not really the way in which we choose pesticides, are they?
So, telling me that olives don't kill mice does not say anything about whether phytochemicals from olives could be used as pesticides, does it?
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Mice dont eat olives !
Yes they do.
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Safety profile of maslinic acid (
There are lots of other chemicals in olives.
Showing that one of them doesn't kill mice is pretty much meaningless.
Did you not realise that?
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So they are not really the way in which we choose pesticides, are they?
Yes and this is why we dont immediatly call them "pesticides" like you, every time we find some molecule capable of acting on bacterias or fungies.
We call then antibiotics.
(I already explained you that you can also use salt as "pesticide"...)
But enough of that.
Olive oil and preferential extra (pressed at low temperature) NATURAL (why add some unhealty molecule to some healty food ? ? ?) olive oil is well suited to lower cholesterol.
I have observed it myself (its why i choose this example) : My mother had very bad cholesterol values (and other bad immunology values etc). She went sick, making some stroke.
She never used olive oil prefering margarine and other omega crap oil. Now it is me who do the cooking and i use almost vegetarian food (with sometime some fish, shellfish and molluscs) and salad with olive oil ONLY.
Now we did some new measurement of his biological values : The physician was astonished, all went ok, even her blood pressure.
So i believe the paper i read about the olive oil and the "mediteranean diet".
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Yes and this is why we dont immediatly call them "pesticides" like you,
Did you not realise that "These findings suggested that olive waste waters may be used in agriculture for pests management " was a quote?
It's not me who was saying it.
It's the paper I cited.
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Did you not realise that "These findings suggested that olive waste waters may be used in agriculture for pests management " was a quote?
It's not me who was saying it.
It's the paper I cited.
This question is only of some importance for you.
Now.
Just answer this simple question :
Is olive oil coming from plants without additional pesticides better for health or is olive oil coming from plants with additional pesticides better for health ?
1. With.
2. Without
What do you guess ?
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I thought I had answered that but...OK...
What do you guess ?
It's better to use actual reasoning, rather than guessing.
Oil containing pesticides (at low levels) is healthier because more people can afford it.
It will also contain fewer toxic fungal metabolites.
The pesticides are generally chosen so that they are not very toxic to people; fungi are not so fussy.