[Kryptid]

photon energy is divided by any volume

What does that even mean?

[Michael Sally (OP)]

photon energy is divided by any volume

What does that even mean?

It means any system has a constant state and the laws of physics allows for this state .  If you add external energy to the system , the system requires that energy to be equally divided by the system  to maintain consistency throughout the system .

Of course there is variables involved due to different  permeability of systems  but in general we can say that hf is divided by the system volume

[Kryptid]

It means any system has a constant state and the laws of physics allows for this state .  If you add external energy to the system , the system requires that energy to be equally divided by the system  to maintain consistency throughout the system .

Of course there is variables involved due to different  permeability of systems  but in general we can say that hf is divided by the system volume

And what is that supposed to mean? Can you put that in terms that make sense to people other than yourself?

[Michael Sally (OP)]

It means any system has a constant state and the laws of physics allows for this state .  If you add external energy to the system , the system requires that energy to be equally divided by the system  to maintain consistency throughout the system .

Of course there is variables involved due to different  permeability of systems  but in general we can say that hf is divided by the system volume

And what is that supposed to mean? Can you put that in terms that make sense to people other than yourself?

and the smallest conceivable volume and measure .


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[Kryptid]

A picture without a description attached doesn't help.

[Michael Sally (OP)]

A picture without a description attached doesn't help.

In dimensional analysis (x0,y0,z0) is any geometrical point

Any geometrical point has the capacity to be occupied by matter

Two adjoining geometrical points (x0,y0,z0) + (x0,y0,z0) form the smallest possible vector space 1x

(1x)(1x)(1x) = 1x³  the smallest conceivable cubic volume possible  which consists of 8*(x0,y0,z0) 

[Kryptid]

And what does that have to do with the equation you posted? Planck's constant multiplied by a photon's frequency is equal to the photon's energy. Dividing that by a volume gives you an energy density. So what is the physical significance of that supposed to be? Are you putting a certain number of photons in a given volume of space? For what purpose?

[Michael Sally (OP)]

And what does that have to do with the equation you posted? Planck's constant multiplied by a photon's frequency is equal to the photon's energy. Dividing that by a volume gives you an energy density. So what is the physical significance of that supposed to be? Are you putting a certain number of photons in a given volume of space? For what purpose?

As explained previously ''To explain a measure for this we'd firstly need to know or decide a value for a single photon .''

I have given a single photon a value of E1  and the dimensions of (x0,y0,z0)  .  I am putting a single photon in a given volume space and measuring the instance of divide.

The purpose is density and energy physics such as plasma .

[Kryptid]

I am putting a single photon in a given volume space and measuring the instance of divide.

Okay, for a red photon confined to 1 cubic millimeter:

hf/V
((6.62607015 x 10^-34)(4.3 x 10¹⁴))/(1 mm³)
2.8492101645 x 10^-19 joules per cubic millimeter

So now you have an example of a calculation using your equation. Tell me the significance of that number.

[Michael Sally (OP)]

I am putting a single photon in a given volume space and measuring the instance of divide.

Okay, for a red photon confined to 1 cubic millimeter:

hf/V
((6.62607015 x 10^-34)(4.3 x 10¹⁴))/(1 mm³)
2.8492101645 x 10^-19 joules per cubic millimeter

So now you have an example of a calculation using your equation. Tell me the significance of that number.

The magnitude of energy at any given volume at any given time .

My measure starts with free space and according to my thoughts a point of energy (photon)  decreases in magnitude by times 8 in a nano second . However , there is considerable thought needed for all the ''overlapping'' energy .

hf / V * hf = E8

According to my calculation any given geometrical point of free space (x0,y0,z0) has an energy level of E8 .

I am not sure this will make a lot of sense to you .

[Kryptid]

My measure starts with free space and according to my thoughts a point of energy (photon)  decreases in magnitude by times 8 in a nano second .

Unless that energy goes somewhere else, that violates conservation of energy.

hf / V * hf = E8

The two instances of "hf" would cancel out in that equation, leading to V = E8.

[evan_au]

hf/V and the smallest conceivable volume and measure

Because every photon has a wavefunction, there is a finite probability that it will appear outside any volume you define.

If you choose "the smallest conceivable volume", it is a near certainty that the photon will not be inside it!

hf / V * hf = E8

See definition of E8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E8_(mathematics)

[Michael Sally (OP)]

My measure starts with free space and according to my thoughts a point of energy (photon)  decreases in magnitude by times 8 in a nano second .

Unless that energy goes somewhere else, that violates conservation of energy.

hf / V * hf = E8

The two instances of "hf" would cancel out in that equation, leading to V = E8.

I am sorry I made an error in my calculation , I did not  account for the spatial field points energy , V=E9  which is dynamic in energy magnitude excluding the field energy E1 constant . (Which can curve)

Unless that energy goes somewhere else, that violates conservation of energy.

Energy does not stop moving from one state to another .

In example if V=E8  it would require +E1 to be consistent with the rest of the volumes V=E9 .

My original question about lights speed being a consequence of an attractive force could be considered as a negative of energy force ?

Chaos theory


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[Kryptid]

See you later, Thebox (as I'm sure you'll be coming back eventually).

[puppypower]

Is the speed of light a consequence of an external force  ?

 If you plug the speed of light into the three equations for Special Relativity, one each for mass, distance and time, discontinuities appear in all three variables. We know mass cannot move at the speed of light since this would require infinite energy. This reflects the discontinuity of mass as predicted by SR.

The same is true of time and distance, and what we call space-time. These also become discontinuous at the speed of light. The speed of light is where inertial reference and space-time all break down. What we think we know, does not apply at the speed of light, since the c-reference is discontinuous with space-time assumptions.

If space-time broke down, so the integration of space and time was broken, then the speed of light would mean nothing, since v=d/t=c; the velocity equation would not apply.  This is because the discontinuity of time and distance means that distance and time do not have to integrate that way. Speed of light is an artifact of inertial reference seeing its own limit. We assign it a number using a space-time concept; velocity, to express that which is not of space-time.

It was sort of like revisionist history, where science applied what we knew today, to something of a different time. It used to be a separate realm in religion. This was revised with space-time concepts applicable to space-time realms. It became a tradition without any explanation, other than that was what we have agreed on.

With space-time discontinuous, one can move in time without the constraint of distance. We become omnipresent. If you look at the inertial universe, from the speed of light reference, everything appears to overlap as a point-instant. We are everywhere via that point-instant at the same instant. One can also move in distance without time. The c-reference can thereby add time and distance potential to space-time, that is not integrated as space-time. Such affects are often modeled with statistics. A worm hole is c-reference distance potential added to space-time. In can move in distance in zero time while maintaining space-time references for its mass.

[Bored chemist]

A worm hole is c-reference distance potential added to space-time.

That probably wins the contest for "most words with least information".

[Kryptid]

That probably wins the contest for "most words with least information".

I don't know, Thebox probably still holds that record in one of his long ago posts.

[puppypower]

The speed of light is the limit, where the term "speed" no longer applies. Speed has the units of distance divided by time; d/t. The concept of speed; connected space and time, is a concept that is only applicable to space-time. The limit of speed; speed of light, is also the limit for space-time. After that the laws change, since speed and space-time does not apply beyond that.

An analogy is crossing the border between two countries. At the border, the rules are different, based on which side of the border you stand. At the border, where the speed the light breaks down, the rules of space-time end. There are new laws on the other side some of which we are already familiar.

The photon, which travels at the speed of light, stratles the border, since it can go the speed of light, while also showing diversity of wavelengths. The latter is is not expected of something moving at the speed of light; Special Relativity. All photons should look more point-instant like and appear homogeneous. There are not because photons have dual citizenship; diversity of frequency=time and wavelength=distance, and are a bridge between the two states.

At the speed of light and beyond, space-time breaks down into separated variables of distance and time, which can act independently of each other. One can move in time without the constraint of space, and move in space without the constraint of time. A quantum jump moves in space in zero time. If we plug the distance and time parameters, of a quantum jump, into the velocity equation for space-time, speed=d/0= ∞. This exceeds the speed of light and therefore is not stemming from space-time, since this breaks the speed of light. A quantum jump is based on distance potential coming from the speed of light reference, that is acting apart from time=0. It can move matter finite distances in zero time. Energy is the bridge, so we can see an affect in space-time. 

Beyond the speed of light, the term speed does not make any sense, since the math tends to become infinite; if we only distance potential, or zero; if we use only time potential, even in a moving reference. Just as the speed of light is the same in all space-time references, a quantum jump takes zero time, and covers a fixed distance, even in a moving space-time reference. This allows the laws of physics to be the same in all space-time references.

I get the impression nobody seems to have much experience or practice thinking from the POV of the speed of light reference. This reference is where the primordial atom of the BB begins. It does not begin in space-time. The border for space-time was not always there. The speed of light reference is where the story of space-time begins. This situation reminds of using the 120 year record to explain climate change, while ignoring the 1 billion year record. You all get two different ways to look at things, with the shorter time scale misleading.

Before t=0, there were plenty of things going on in time without space and space without time. Energy for the singularity was provided by lowering entropy in the speed of light reference. In the speed of light reference, entropy is infinite, due to no limits imposed by space-time on time or space. All combinations, not possible in space-time, becomes possible; infinite entropy. One only needs to coordinate these two separated variables in a way that imposes mathematical limits that we know and love, such as velocity less than c. The loss of entropy becomes very exothermic and the potential of rathe universe is created. The speed of light is the ground state, since infinite  entropy minus, still approaches zero free energy. The enthalpy that appears helps to define space-time and matter and places it at higher potential. It has to roll downhill.

The universe is heading back to the speed of light reference; matter is going to energy via the forces of nature; bridge state, and energy is being red shifted to infinity; photon homogeneity. After that the border is gone.

[Bored chemist]

After that the laws change, since speed and space-time does not apply beyond that.

In the area "beyond space time" the universe is ruled by unicorns.
Prove me wrong before you go any further.