[Karen W. (OP)]

Do they still use germ warfare to fight wars these days?

I am asking because these outbreaks started after NK started saying they were sending the united states a Christmas present?

      So Naturally, I am curious as to weather such viruses are used like they used to be?

      Nk has been known to use them in the past? My mind is racing, having a lot of time to think while in isolation?

I am sure, I am not the only person who has seen the time coincidences, between the verbal sparring back and forth, between the countries, and threats on both sides. And then the outbreaks starting.

[Bored chemist]

Even NK would probably think twice about setting a virus loose in China, in the hope of attacking the US.

[Karen W. (OP)]

I would like to think so.

I hope your well Bored Chemist.

[Karen W. (OP)]

So I guess the first case in China was November 17th.
It was a bit before I heard about it...

[evan_au]

Biological weapons don't tend to stay where you put them.

Any person or organisation releasing a biological weapon is likely to suffer the effects in their own country/city/family.

[Karen W. (OP)]

Biological weapons don't tend to stay where you put them.

Any person or organisation releasing a biological weapon is likely to suffer the effects in their own country/city/family.

Yes that's what I understood also after reading up on these things. This is a rather Narly virus..

[chiralSPO]

Given the unusual relationship between age and severity, one could be forgiven for wondering whether it had been designed by a millenial or genZ for generational warfare.

But paranoid thinking will not help the situation.

A recent analysis of its genome highly suggests natural evolutionary origins...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9.pdf

[Jolly2]

Do they still use germ warfare to fight wars these days?

I am asking because these outbreaks started after NK started saying they were sending the united states a Christmas present?

      So Naturally, I am curious as to weather such viruses are used like they used to be?

      Nk has been known to use them in the past? My mind is racing, having a lot of time to think while in isolation?

I am sure, I am not the only person who has seen the time coincidences, between the verbal sparring back and forth, between the countries, and threats on both sides. And then the outbreaks starting.

Hi Karen. 

Hard to say. Some talk about bats and this virus coming from wildlife.

I have seen chatter suggesting there was an accidental release from the military Bio weapons lab at Fort Detrick which the CDC closed last year. Suggestions follow that infected military personnel attended the wuhan military games that took place in October.

Also chatter about a bio lab in wuhan itself, leaking the virus.

Both relate to accidental release..

Seems strange that China would suppress information about a new virus as they did initially.

Apparently there is also chatter about Corona being present in America in November. 

Chatter that China apparently has been saying DNA evidence is suggesting China isnt the source of the outbreak...

I have heard chatter that people in Hong Kong were talking about a new virus back in October.

Also heard chatter that 2 studies one from Russia and another from
India are claiming that this virus was created.


And there is lots if chatter about this being released intentionally to control population or get rid of cash and push for all electronic money.

Lots of chatter... but nothing concrete.

Hard to say

[Karen W. (OP)]

Yes I've heard a lot of the same kind of rumors and I I just asked the question out of curiosity because it popped into my head, I'm not a not a conspiracy theorist. Thank you for the replies...

[Karen W. (OP)]

I read an article yesterday that said it was like two of the different corona viruses that had actually been introduced into one host simultaneously that may have actually made it able to become human transmitted to humans something like that I'll look for the article. Not sure how reliable it was? Not in any way insinuating that they were introduced by a human, but somehow invaded the host whatever that actually was at the same time creating this new strain..at least that was my understanding of what I had read.

[Jolly2]

I read an article yesterday that said it was like two of the different corona viruses that had actually been introduced into one host simultaneously that may have actually made it able to become human transmitted to humans something like that I'll look for the article. Not sure how reliable it was? Not in any way insinuating that they were introduced by a human, but somehow invaded the host whatever that actually was at the same time creating this new strain..at least that was my understanding of what I had read.

I heard a doctor suggest the virus had 4 separate inserts. One from HIV and another from SARS.
He claimed the chances of SARS-CO2 being zoological are unlikely.

But that's one doctors opinion.

[Karen W. (OP)]

Yes.. I have read multiple views and yesterday I read that it's been rolled out that it could have been a human created virus but instead they believe it may have been around kinda dormant in humans for Avery long time and that at some point long ago it was initially in a animal..like bat snake etc...but that at some point it was transferred into humans who may have already harbored a differentiate..and for whatever reason became actively a deadly virus now apparently..but my memory may have some of that mixed up..but have you all heard that yet?

[Jolly2]

Yes.. I have read multiple views and yesterday I read that it's been rolled out that it could have been a human created virus but instead they believe it may have been around kinda dormant in humans for Avery long time and that at some point long ago it was initially in a animal..like bat snake etc...but that at some point it was transferred into humans who may have already harbored a differentiate..and for whatever reason became actively a deadly virus now apparently..but my memory may have some of that mixed up..but have you all heard that yet?

I have now. Thanks Karen

Honestly right now have a strange feeling that the western leaders are refusing to impose mandatory face masks because of negative liberty and how it's maintained. Not sure what's more disgraceful the practice itself or the endangering of the public safety to  continue it.

[Edwina Lee]

I hope the world regard this covid-19 outbreak as a valuable lesson in many ways.
[1] If ever we have real biological warfare, we may never get out of the quamire it creates.
Imagine if different entities decide to unleash viruses in attack and retaliation;
What if small idependent entities decide to collect covid-19 hosts to keep the viruses for future attacks?
A small group of people can infect the world and just live on a small island to wait for the world to fall apart and then come back. Something similar has already happened- the Sarin metro attack in Japan for example.

[set fair]

Unless it's proved that it's a the result of a biological war expriment, we'll never know. Sooner or later a germ warfare virus will eascape. The stitched together from 4 seperate viruses sounds farcical. The evolved naturally explanation ignores the (obvious) possibility that a germ warfare outfit might well take a bat corona virus, infect another species and then test that on humans. If I had to bet I'd go with natural not manmade, but I can only justify that with statistics - there will be several nasty corona viruses over the 100 years starting with sars but manmade ones will be nil or the minority.

[Karen W. (OP)]

Yes.. I have read multiple views and yesterday I read that it's been rolled out that it could have been a human created virus but instead they believe it may have been around kinda dormant in humans for Avery long time and that at some point long ago it was initially in a animal..like bat snake etc...but that at some point it was transferred into humans who may have already harbored a differentiate..and for whatever reason became actively a deadly virus now apparently..but my memory may have some of that mixed up..but have you all heard that yet?

I have now. Thanks Karen

Honestly right now have a strange feeling that the western leaders are refusing to impose mandatory face masks because of negative liberty and how it's maintained. Not sure what's more disgraceful the practice itself or the endangering of the public safety to  continue it.

Boy Jolly isn't that terrible! They need to do it and no arguments... The masks have to offer some sort of protection from community spread.....its sad that its not being more sternly enforced until we have this virus under control...I agree with you...

[Karen W. (OP)]

I am of the mindset that I would rather not believe that people would do this or purposely do this.that its so crazy to think anyone would want to jeopardize the lives of millions upon millions of people because of political or any other reasons.. I try hard daily to believe we all have much more respect for humanity than that would imply otherwise... I hate that glimmer of doubt that made me even ask this question to begin with. So sad.. All the daily reports of loved ones and others loved ones all across the world suffering now with sickness and the death this virus has brought...I love humanity and feel my heart breaking more every day I see those numbers raise and people still thinking it's not real..its a hoax...

I don't want to play the blame game.. I believe in my more intelligent part of my mind that this was a natural occurrence and so we just need to pull together and fix it... Which I believe is being worked on hourly by wonderful scientists and Doctors right now...All of us who are not able to do that part can still do plenty by listening to the CDC and The doctors and scientists...when they tell us how to help ourselves sheltering in, masks, hand washing cleaning etc....we all need to help...

[Monox D. I-Fly]

I am of the mindset that I would rather not believe that people would do this or purposely do this.that its so crazy to think anyone would want to jeopardize the lives of millions upon millions of people because of political or any other reasons..

You know, those SJWs tend to only see the bad side of people, so they dismiss everyone and subconsciously believe that they are above them.

[alancalverd]

It is being used as a political and economic weapon in the USA. Republican mayors and governors are opposing lockdown and preaching their usual motherhood, apple pie and future greatness, in the hope that the majority of survivors will forget the dead and vote for the guy who told them they would survive. Trump's coterie don't believe their official bullshit and have divested themselves of airline and hotel stocks and bought medical company shares - but not in hospitals, where the profit is in elective surgery. There's a possibility that the governor of Georgia may be charged with attempted genocide or at least reckless endangerment of an island population, though he will of course get a pardon from the new Life President of the Free World or his son-in-law. 

The only hope for the rest of us is that the WHO quarantines the entire USA for a generation. 

[Edwina Lee]

I am sure that lots of entities, be they individuals, small groups, mega cults, .  .  .   have been inspired by the devastation of covid-19 that biological methods of attack can be very cheap, easy to make, devastating, and difficult to trace who did it.
To keep the viruses, wouldn't refrigerated test tubes be sufficient?
If not, they just need a constant supply of hosts.

After the warnings of the best minds, delivered prominently through Bill Gates since 2015, I think defence ought to take a completely new look, whether this massive wasted race of technical fire arms can ever make the world safer.