[Bored chemist]

For your information, men don’t  force the women to wear a scarf.

How many women were on the committee where the decision was made?

If the world was under Islamic rules, the people who don’t wear a scarf will be respected as if they are muslims.

In the bits of the world that are under Islamic rule, that isn't actually true, is it?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8099235/Man-attacks-woman-not-wearing-veil-correctly-Iran.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28564984

So why do you think it is true?
Do you recognise that you may have been misinformed?

[Slickscientist]

Imagine a world where some sub-set of the men force their wives and daughters to wear a veil.
Would banning the veils be a step towards freedom, or away from it?

I believe that it would be going further away from freedom as you are denying the right for many women to practice their religion.

What is your opinion on headscarves and makeup  salik, the Koran states something along the lines of "a woman must hide her beauty". It strikes me as odd that they wear make up.

I belive, as do many muslim women children and men, that muslim men should cover from the navel to the lnees and that muslim women should cover their hair an the rest of their body(except for the hands, face and feet). Women have a choice if they want to cover their hands, face and feet but some strongly follow that opinion.
We need to cover in front of people who are not our “mehrams”. This means anyone who is not our sister, brother, mum, dad, son or daughter.

Children don’t have to cover but should when they come to the age of maturity( or being“ baalikh”)
. Here is a article explaining the rules of makeup:
https://salamislam.com/en/lifestyle-women/wearing-makeup-and-jewelry-allowed-islam

[Petrochemicals]

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I belive, as do many muslim women children and men, that muslim men should cover from the navel to the lnees and that muslim women should cover their hair an the rest of their body(except for the hands, face and feet). Women have a choice if they want to cover their hands, face and feet but some strongly follow that opinion.
We need to cover in front of people who are not our “mehrams”. This means anyone who is not our sister, brother, mum, dad, son or daughter.

Children don’t have to cover but should when they come to the age of maturity( or being“ baalikh”)
. Here is a article explaining the rules of makeup:
https://salamislam.com/en/lifestyle-women/wearing-makeup-and-jewelry-allowed-islam

I find that to be an interpretation against the direct instruction of the Koran to hide the beauty, adornment and makeup are surely different things, red lip stick is to mimmick the passion, mascara is to mimmick dreamy wide eyes, blisher once again the engorging of blood vessels due to the biological wanton need to mate. A nice gold broach has no such root.

[Bored chemist]

We need to cover in front of people who are not our “mehrams”. This means anyone who is not our sister, brother, mum, dad, son or daughter.

You might want to add a couple more to that list.

[Slickscientist]

What do you mean?

[Bored chemist]

What do you mean?

I mean that you need to add husband and wife to the list.

[Slickscientist]

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I belive, as do many muslim women children and men, that muslim men should cover from the navel to the lnees and that muslim women should cover their hair an the rest of their body(except for the hands, face and feet). Women have a choice if they want to cover their hands, face and feet but some strongly follow that opinion.
We need to cover in front of people who are not our “mehrams”. This means anyone who is not our sister, brother, mum, dad, son or daughter.

Children don’t have to cover but should when they come to the age of maturity( or being“ baalikh”)
. Here is a article explaining the rules of makeup:
https://salamislam.com/en/lifestyle-women/wearing-makeup-and-jewelry-allowed-islam

I find that to be an interpretation against the direct instruction of the Koran to hide the beauty, adornment and makeup are surely different things, red lip stick is to mimmick the passion, mascara is to mimmick dreamy wide eyes, blisher once again the engorging of blood vessels due to the biological wanton need to mate. A nice gold broach has no such root.

The Quraan teaches us that women are not allowed to look beautiful but not for sexual attraction. They need to have the intention to protect their modesty. The Quraan doesn't exactly say anything about makeup. It is an opinion that is debated. Some people say that you can as long as it is not sexally attracting/ or if there is a meheram there, Others say no. The Quraan does say "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss". (Qur'an 24:31).

I believe that you can wear light makeup as long as there is a mahram there. Overdoing it is a waste of money and Islam also says that spending ones wealth for useless things is disliked.

[Bored chemist]

or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex,

So, the creator invented a mechanism for ensuring the continuation of humanity, but we should be ashamed of it.

That seems odd.
Did He make a mistake?

[Slickscientist]

I am a Muslim. We believe that anyone who criticises God, or any aspect of our Religion will be challenged and punished in the next life.

I'm sorry to have to tell you this but some people who call themselves Muslims think that those who mock God should be punished in this life.
So, are they wrong?
If the punishment happens in the next life, why would there need to be any in this one?
Why would there need to be any blasphemy laws.?

And yet... this happens.
https://www.csw.org.uk/2020/08/12/press/4765/article.htm

Hi BC,
Islam says that all accusations of crime should be submitted to the Islamic court(when there was one in most countries) and also says that the court should be just. It should listen to both sides and then make a ruling, taking into account the Quran and the sunnah. The Muslims lynching that woman in Nigeria are doing the wrong thing. They should leave it for the courts to decide and should not intervene. I believe that without an Islamic leader, the courts are corrupt too. By the way things are explained in the article, I think that the courts are not listening to both sides, not taking into account the youngness of the charged and jumping to conclusions. Back when the first Islamic Khalifah was established, everyone respected other people's religion and this would of not happened. If you are a different religion, as long as it doesn't go against your religion or offend thousands of people, you will be punished for your views. Just because these incident happen does not mean that you(me addressing the world) can conclude that all Muslims are extremists and abuse human rights.

[Slickscientist]

or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex,

So, the creator invented a mechanism for ensuring the continuation of humanity, but we should be ashamed of it.

That seems odd.
Did He make a mistake?

Like some of the bible, some of the Quraan is not literal and rather has to be interpreted. The quote "no sense of the shame of sex" men's the private parts or things that have to be covered by women.
I hope that clears things up.

[Bored chemist]

or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex,

So, the creator invented a mechanism for ensuring the continuation of humanity, but we should be ashamed of it.

That seems odd.
Did He make a mistake?

Like some of the bible, some of the Quraan is not literal and rather has to be interpreted. The quote "no sense of the shame of sex" men's the private parts or things that have to be covered by women.
I hope that clears things up.

Not really.
Whether by evolution or design, the body is an impressive and beautiful thing.
It seems absurd to cover it like it is something to be ashamed of.
I don't mean covering up when it's too cold or whatever, but the idea that it shouldn't be seen is strange.

That seems more like a decree by a group of people who are seeking to control others.

By the way, you seem to have missed my earlier question about women wearing veils and whether it was their decision or that of the men..

How many women were on the committee where the decision was made?

[Slickscientist]

For your information, men don’t  force the women to wear a scarf.

How many women were on the committee where the decision was made?

If the world was under Islamic rules, the people who don’t wear a scarf will be respected as if they are Muslims.

In the bits of the world that are under Islamic rule, that isn't actually true, is it?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8099235/Man-attacks-woman-not-wearing-veil-correctly-Iran.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28564984

So why do you think it is true?
Do you recognise that you may have been misinformed?

This should and would not happen in a world where there is an Islamic Khilafah. I believe this because people did not attack non-Muslims in the time of the Prophet or the early Khillahah. A non-Muslim might of had to wrap a scarf around their head if they are visiting a mosque but if they don't, they were advised by someone politely and given a spare scarf to wear. These are the actions of Muslins who have so sense of right and wrong in them and I cannot be responsible for their actions. The Quraan says we should be kind to our neighbours so this doesn't fit in with that...

On your question, most women choose to cover on their own, but some are reminded politely by their husbands. The husband should no violently force her as that is wrong but should remind her about what it is for and why Muslims want to cover.

Lastly, are you now telling me and other people that because God has created a wonderful creature, you are going to go around the streets naked so people can appreciate it?! 🤣🤣🤣

[Slickscientist]

The Quraan and the sunnah set out the rules. It is up to the people to follow. This question is as absurd as asking whose decision was it to baptise Christians.

[Bored chemist]

believe this because people did not attack non-Muslims in the time of the Prophet

How do you know?

The Quraan says we should be kind to our neighbours

Is that the only thing it says about them?
Or does it, for example, say "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);"

Could it be that some Muslims are devoutly following that instruction?

By the way, in case you are wondering, I am just as harsh in my criticism of "Christians" killing in the name of their prophet. You can have a look here.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=79882.0

I wouldn't want you to take it personally. It's just that I prefer evidence, rather than old books, as a reason for doing things.

Lastly, are you now telling me and other people that because God has created a wonderful creature, you are going to go around the streets naked so people can appreciate it?!

Have you seen the weather?

[Bored chemist]

but some are reminded politely by their husbands

Why is it the husband's choice and not the wife's?

[Slickscientist]

Husbands have a duty to correct the wives' mistakes, and the wife has a duty to point out the husbands' mistakes

[Slickscientist]

https://www.facebook.com/notes/exposing-islam/verse-95-of-the-quran-was-not-meant-to-be-applied-in-the-battlefield-only/1542673972694090/
Points to add to this article:
1: This article is my explanation for the background of that revelation in the Quran and Muslims should only respond with violence in war or self-defence.
2: Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in one god; Muhhamad was liked the jews and the Christians before the revelation of Islam because he believed in one god(he protected the afterwards aswell).
3: This quote was aimed at the pagans who believed in many gods

[alancalverd]

Islam says that all accusations of crime should be submitted to the Islamic court(when there was one in most countries) and also says that the court should be just.

And UK law says that all legal matters must be decided by the state courts, because the law is not contained in any religious texts but in UK statute and precedent.

[Slickscientist]

Don't worry. I understand your criticisms and I will not dislike you because of them. You believe in what you believe and that is all that I have to know. Also, criticism and questions are a good way to revive the religious beliefs and reasonings!

[Slickscientist]

Islam says that all accusations of crime should be submitted to the Islamic court(when there was one in most countries) and also says that the court should be just.

And UK law says that all legal matters must be decided by the state courts, because the law is not contained in any religious texts but in UK statute and precedent.

I did say "when there was one in most countries". The only way I could complain about something through a proper Sharia court(and not the ones in Nigeria) is if there was a proper Islamic Judicial system in a country or "Islamic state".