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Title: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Brad Watson on 14/12/2016 17:13:33
"Anytime an idea is connected to Nature, it's not only logical, it's inevitable".

Since about 350 AD, the Western world has celebrated the birth of Jesus son of Joseph - Christmas - on December 25. But even Pope Benedict XVI wrote that that date is wrong! Y'shua was actually born on Saturday April 17, 6 BC / 17.4.748 AUC / 29 Nisan 3755 HC (see the astonomer http://MichaelMolnar.com ). The ancients long before Jesus was born recognized that the winter solstice occurred on December 21-22 (21 this year) and with their crude* instruments, it took 3 days to confirm that the days were getting longer. Hence, December 25 was observed and eventually celebrated as the 'Return of the Light'.

The ancient Egyptians and Sumerians had a 360-day calendar divided into 12 months with 30 days each. The remaining 5 days before January 1st were celebrated as a holiday.

Eventually, different cultures attached the birth of their incarnated saviour-god to December 25. The Persian Mithras was said to have been born on this day, possibly Zoroaster, too, and even the Egyptian Horus who's mother Isis was said to have had a mystical pregnancy. When the Roman Emperor Constantine adopted Christianity as the official state religion c. 325 AD, Pagan sites and practices were fused into the new religion. It was not known (or at least not widely known) when Jesus the Christ was born, so the Birthday of Mithras/Horus - the Return of the Light - was adopted as Jesus' Birthday or Christmas.


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Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: alancalverd on 14/12/2016 17:18:04
This is all pretty old hat. What point are you trying to make?

Simply putting a question mark at the end of a statement doesn't turn it into a  question.

I fear that the guidance you need won't be found here. There are several on-line psychotherapy sites that may be able to help.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Brad Watson on 14/12/2016 19:32:14
This is all pretty old hat.
That's a false statement.
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What point are you trying to make?
"Anytime an idea is connected to Nature, it's not only logical, it's inevitable."
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Simply putting a question mark at the end of a statement doesn't turn it into a question.
Yes, it does.

You're insult has been noted. I see you have 4744 posts here. Are you a moderator or do you just live here and 'attack the messenger' when you encounter someone with different beliefs than yours?
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/12/2016 19:33:24
Simply putting a question mark at the end of a statement doesn't turn it into a  question?
I think you will find that it does.

Brad's doing quite well in this post- much of what he has said is not obvious balderdash.

He seems to have missed the fundamental point though, so I will spell it out for him
People have, for many years noticed that the solstice is a sign that, in one way (daylight, rather than temperature), the worst of Winter is past and things will get better again.

Now, Brad; here's the important thing.
People were doing that centuries before "Christ". They were doing it all over the world.
The solstice is real.


So, moving Christ's birthday to the Solstice is a signal that the solstice is more important and better established than Xmas.
They could make up any day they wanted as the birthday of the Son of the Sky Fairy- it's not like he would sue.
But the solstice is real.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/12/2016 19:38:30


You're insult has been noted. I see you have 4744 posts here. Are you a moderator or do you just live here and 'attack the messenger' when you encounter someone with different beliefs than yours?
LOL
It's "different from yours", BTW
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: syhprum on 14/12/2016 19:55:31
In pubs of old the discussion of religion ,politics and I believe football were discouraged, would it not be a good idea to have a special trash bin for those who want to discus religion other than as a psychiatric problem 
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: yor_on on 14/12/2016 20:17:41
don't know about that, the Nordic country's celebrate the 24:th, and I suspect we call midsummer our 'return of the light', around 19-26 June. I seem to have read though that if you're born at the 25 of December you may renegade on any deal made with the devil, without consequences. Although not in the Nordic folklore, as I know.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Brad Watson on 14/12/2016 20:41:09
In pubs of old the discussion of religion ,politics and I believe football were discouraged
You're implying that "In pubs of old, only the discussion of science was encouraged". Atheists believe in the stupidest sh1t!
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would it not be a good idea to have a special trash bin for those who want to discus religion other than as a psychiatric problem
Are you drunk? I posted that the observance on December 25 is actually the 'Return of the Light' and it's tied to the winter solstice. That's obviously scientific.

You have a serious problem and it's more than just being rude and having a prejudice - it's deeply psychiatric.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Brad Watson on 14/12/2016 20:47:48
don't know about that, the Nordic country's celebrate the 24:th
They celebrate Christmas on Dec. 24? Are you sure? Had you already realized that Christmas was connected to right after the winter solstice when the days were starting to get longer?
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: yor_on on 14/12/2016 20:59:29
Seems it has to do with how we defined a new day. And that one goes a long way back. We defined the new day to start at sunset, not midnight as we do now. And no, Syphrum is in no need of a psychiatric evaluation :) he just have a different opinion from yours.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Brad Watson on 15/12/2016 04:07:08
Seems it has to do with how we defined a new day. And that one goes a long way back. We defined the new day to start at sunset, not midnight as we do now.
Like the Hebrews/Jews. Do you celebrate Christmas - the 'Return of the Light' - now on the 24th or 25th?
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And no, Syphrum is in no need of a psychiatric evaluation :) he just have a different opinion from yours.
He was the one who rudely told that to me first.

Did you know about the connection of 3 days after the winter solstice and Christmas/the birth of the Christ?
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Colin2B on 15/12/2016 08:04:12
Did you know about the connection of 3 days after the winter solstice and Christmas/the birth of the Christ?
If this post is not going to discuss physics or astronomy it will be moved.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Brad Watson on 15/12/2016 17:17:02
Colin2B,

Recognition of the winter solstice is obviously part of both physics and astronomy. It's one of the first scientific discoveries made by the ancients along with the summer solstice and the spring and fall equinoxes. Discussion of how December 25 scientifically and historically became Christmas and associated with the birth of Jesus son of Joseph the Nazarean is very important!

Astronomical observances, i.e. the '7 Classical Planets' are ultimately at the origin of seemingly all religion. The knowledge and discussion of this is very important! Don't you agree?
http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planets
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Colin2B on 15/12/2016 19:09:56
Discussion of how December 25 scientifically and historically became Christmas and associated with the birth of Jesus son of Joseph the Nazarean is very important!
On a history site maybe, but not here which is about specific science.

Astronomical observances, i.e. the '7 Classical Planets' are ultimately at the origin of seemingly all religion. The knowledge and discussion of this is very important! Don't you agree?
Again on a history site yes, or a philosophy or psychology site.

You are not making a good case so until you do this is being moved.

PS gematria is not a science subject either.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Brad Watson on 16/12/2016 01:33:11
Discussion of how December 25 scientifically and historically became Christmas and associated with the birth of Jesus son of Joseph the Nazarean is very important!
On a history site maybe, but not here which is about specific science.
The winter solstice is the basis for the celebration of Christmas. This combines science, history and religion and is obviously very important!
Astronomical observances, i.e. the '7 Classical Planets' are ultimately at the origin of seemingly all religion. The knowledge and discussion of this is very important! Don't you agree?
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Again on a history site yes, or a philosophy or psychology site.
Study of the 7 Classical Planets is what began math/numerology and astronomy/astrology - science. Anyone who ignores this is either ignorant or has an agenda where their dogma is threatened.
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You are not making a good case so until you do this is being moved.
That's false. What's your true agenda? Are you an atheist? Do you feel that your dogma is being threatened, so you figure if you can show disrespect for the evidence that that will make it less legitimate?
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PS gematria is not a science subject either.
Another false statement. Linguistics is obviously a science and gematria is part of it. Code-breaking is also a science. Gematria has been around for ~3,000 years if not longer, although it's been kept secret. It's a powerful code!

Why not confess that you didn't even know what gematria was until I explained it to you yesterday? I was the first to write about English gematria - Simple(6,74) English(7,74) Gematria(8,74) - on the Internet and I AM thee leading expert on it.

GOD=7_4
simple**=74=S19+I9+M13+P16+L12+E5
English=74=E5+N14+G7+L12+I9+S19+H8
gematria=74=G7+E5+M13+A1+T20+R18+I9+A1


*Synchronism: 20:13 "Do you know the 10 Commandments, Scully? The 4th one is the observance of the 7th day as the Sabbath"... "It was the only code the Japanese couldn't break." **20:27 "JUst let me know who I can talk to to break that code?!" "It's so clear now; so simple." "You're a smart boy, Fox. Smarter than me." - 'Anasazi', 'The X-Files' (S2/Ep25, 1995) on WBFS/my33
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Brad Watson on 16/12/2016 01:50:27
(Note to moderators: I AM copying a couple posts here from a thread that you've forced me to delete.)

Astronomer Michael Molnar wrote the book 'The Star of Bethlehem - The Legacy of the Magi' (Rutgers University Press, 1999) after discovering that Jesus* son of Joseph was born on April 17, 6 BC (17.4.748 AUC / 29 Nisan 3755 HC). The following is from his website...

"Superposed on the photograph of the coin is what I found: Jupiter underwent two occultations ('eclipses') by the Moon in Aries in 6 BC. Jupiter was the regal 'star' that conferred kingships - a power that was amplified when Jupiter was in close conjunctions with the Moon. The second occultation on April 17 coincided precisely when Jupiter was "in the east," a condition mentioned twice in the biblical account about the Star of Bethlehem. In August of that year Jupiter became stationary and then 'went before' through Aries where it became stationary again on December 19, 6 BC. This is when the regal planet 'stood over.' - a secondary royal portent also described in the Bible. In particular, there is confirmation from a Roman astrologer that the conditions of April 17, 6 BC were believed to herald the birth of a divine, immortal, and omnipotent person born under the sign of the Jews, which we now know was Aries the Ram (Lamb). Furthermore, the coins of Antioch and ancient astrological documents show that there was indeed a Star of Bethlehem as reported in the biblical account of Matthew.


Revealing the Star of Bethlehem - The Legacy of the Magi

Most people have heard of the story of how the Star of Bethlehem led the Magi to the infant Jesus. There have been many theories about what appeared in the sky that caused the Magi to embark on their journey to find the new King of the Jews. As an astronomer, I too have wondered what the Magi saw, but never thought that I could find it until I stumbled upon an important clue.

My investigations show that there indeed was a Star of Bethlehem exactly as reported in the Bible. My book describes the evidence I gleaned from ancient coins and astrological records - important information that was unnoticed by earlier investigators. Here are some of the important findings in my book:

A serendipitous discovery, originating from Roman coins of Antioch, revealed that Aries the Ram was the sign of the Jews and that the Magi's star appeared in that sign of the zodiac. (pp. 3-4)
The Magi were highly respected "wise men" who practiced Greek astrology, the precursor of modern astrology. (p. 42)
Ancient stargazers described in detail the celestial conditions for the births of kings and emperors. Their writings describe the Magi's star. (p. 64)
The star was not a comet, nor was it a supernova. (pp. 17-25)
The people of Jerusalem did not see the star because they did not understand Greek astrology - but Herod did and took action. (p. 11)
As stated in the Bible, the Magi's star did indeed appear "in the east" in Aries. The book describes the unusual celestial conditions of that day, which signified the birth of the Messiah. (p. 89)
The Magi rejoiced that the star later "went before and stood over" - a secondary sign confirming the birth of the King of the Jews. (pp. 87-96)
December 25th was not the birth day of Jesus, nor does the Christian Era (A.D. 1) determine the year Jesus was born. (pp. 55-57)
A Christian Roman astrologer wrote that the celestial conditions I describe marked the birth of a "divine and immortal" person - a likely reference to the birth of Jesus. (pp. 104-108)
The ancient documents show that the horoscope for this day was more significant than the important horoscopes of the Emperors Augustus Caesar and Hadrian. (pp. 98-102)
The Magi's star appeared two years before the death of Herod, which explains why two year old children were condemned as threats to his throne. (pp. 117-118)
The account of Luke refers to the "census" of Quirinius under Augustus Caesar - a connection to the Roman coins of Antioch. (pp. 121-123)
Emperor Nero was marked as the biblical Antichrist - a prophecy related to the presence of Aries the Ram in his horoscope. (pp. 109-116)

I hope that you will find this new information as fascinating as I did."


(*Synchronism: 12/6/16 11:26 "A new prophecy" 11:35 "This one is different, he carries starlight in his wake." - 'The Fires of Pompeii', 'Doctor Who' (S4/Ep2, 2008) on BBC AMERICA)
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: alancalverd on 16/12/2016 07:22:51
Simply putting a question mark at the end of a statement doesn't turn it into a  question?
I think you will find that it does.



Only in Australian soap operas.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Colin2B on 16/12/2016 08:03:07
(Note to moderators: I AM copying a couple posts here from a thread that you've forced me to delete.)
No one forced you to do anything, unless you believe that you lack free will.

If you decide to delete or modify your posts that is of no concern to us as long as you remain within the forum acceptable use policy.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: Brad Watson on 16/12/2016 18:14:04
alancalverd,

Please, no more OFF-TOPIC posts(74=P16+O15+S19+T20+S19). Do you have anymore comment on 'December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'? Do you celebrate the Return of the Light? I do.
Title: Re: December 25 marks the 'Return of the Light'?
Post by: yor_on on 02/02/2017 15:22:26
Brad, to me you're a dreamer, maybe even a shaman. But you're writing on a site that cherish logic. There is no solutions to this, but philosophically you have the full right to your opinions.