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Life Sciences => Plant Sciences, Zoology & Evolution => Topic started by: Chuckknorris420 on 17/08/2017 09:55:11

Title: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: Chuckknorris420 on 17/08/2017 09:55:11

Is it possible to graft a fruit tree (plums,apricots,peaches or cherrys) to the rootstock of a dogwood tree?

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chris on 17/08/2017 10:20:26

Good question and I must admit that I don't know what governs grafting compatibility; I shall do a bit of "digging" to find out, unless anyone else knows in the interim?

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chris on 17/08/2017 10:26:44

PS - have you tried grafting things yourself in the past?

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: Chuckknorris420 on 17/08/2017 10:56:36

Have only done a little bit of grafting with cannabis plants, never with tree's.

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: evan_au on 17/08/2017 11:38:23

Quote from: Wikipedia

Grafting between species of the same genus is sometimes successful....grafting between different families is rare.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafting#Factors_for_Successful_Graft

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chris on 17/08/2017 15:35:40

Quote from: Chuckknorris420 on 17/08/2017 10:56:36

Have only done a little bit of grafting with cannabis plants, never with tree's.

You grafted cannabis!?

What on earth for? I've no experience of this particular field of horticulture, but is that not easier just to grow from seed?

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 16:44:15

Quote from: chris on 17/08/2017 15:35:40

You grafted cannabis!?

What on earth for? I've no experience of this particular field of horticulture, but is that not easier just to grow from seed?

There is a very good reason not to grow from seed.

Cannabis is dioecious (one plant is typically either male or female), and it is the female flowers that contain the highest concentrations of active compounds. Once fertilized, the plant prioritizes seed production over complex terpene synthesis, so the potency is lost. Because males are not only significantly less valuable, but a single male plant releasing pollen can also decrease the yield of the entire crop, many growers simply do not allow any male plants to mature on the premises. Hence, they rely on propagation by cloning and grafting.

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 16:57:18

With regards to the OP:

I have no idea whether such a graft wold be viable. But even if both organisms survive the grafting process, one also has to consider potential effects on the fruit.

I am familiar with one very stark example: The nightshade family is enormous, and includes several varieties of highly toxic plants, like deadly nightshade, henbane, angel's trumpet, etc. as well as several varieties of tasty plants like tomatoes, eggplants, hot peppers etc. It turns out the tomatoes can be grafted onto henbane (aka datura or jimson weed) rootstock. The chimaera produces fruit that look just like tomatoes, but contain potentially fatal concentrations of tropane alkaloids (which are synthesized in the roots, and then distributed throughout the plant).

I don't think that anything remotely like this would happen with "dogwood peaches" but something to bear in mind...

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chris on 17/08/2017 18:25:57

Quote from: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 16:44:15

Quote from: chris on 17/08/2017 15:35:40

You grafted cannabis!?

What on earth for? I've no experience of this particular field of horticulture, but is that not easier just to grow from seed?

There is a very good reason not to grow from seed.

Cannabis is dioecious (one plant is typically either male or female), and it is the female flowers that contain the highest concentrations of active compounds. Once fertilized, the plant prioritizes seed production over complex terpene synthesis, so the potency is lost. Because males are not only significantly less valuable, but a single male plant releasing pollen can also decrease the yield of the entire crop, many growers simply do not allow any male plants to mature on the premises. Hence, they rely on propagation by cloning and grafting.

Thank you! I now consider myself educated in the art of cannabis propagation. How do you know so much about it ;)

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 18:33:24

Quote from: chris on 17/08/2017 18:25:57

Thank you! I now consider myself educated in the art of cannabis propagation. How do you know so much about it ;)

I know somebody who works at a legal* cannabis company in Colorado.

* Legal under Colorado State law... the feds are a different matter...

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: Colin2B on 17/08/2017 19:30:15

Quote from: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 18:33:24

Quote from: chris on 17/08/2017 18:25:57

How do you know so much about it ;)

I know somebody who works at a legal* cannabis company in Colorado.

Yeah, yeah, we believe you - NOT  ;)

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chris on 17/08/2017 19:51:15

I was just holding this plant cutting for a friend...

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 20:59:46

Quote from: Colin2B on 17/08/2017 19:30:15

Quote from: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 18:33:24

Quote from: chris on 17/08/2017 18:25:57

How do you know so much about it ;)

I know somebody who works at a legal* cannabis company in Colorado.

Yeah, yeah, we believe you - NOT  ;)

Think what you will, but I tell the truth!

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/08/2017 21:57:01

Quote from: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 16:57:18

With regards to the OP:

I have no idea whether such a graft wold be viable. But even if both organisms survive the grafting process, one also has to consider potential effects on the fruit.

I am familiar with one very stark example: The nightshade family is enormous, and includes several varieties of highly toxic plants, like deadly nightshade, henbane, angel's trumpet, etc. as well as several varieties of tasty plants like tomatoes, eggplants, hot peppers etc. It turns out the tomatoes can be grafted onto henbane (aka datura or jimson weed) rootstock. The chimaera produces fruit that look just like tomatoes, but contain potentially fatal concentrations of tropane alkaloids (which are synthesized in the roots, and then distributed throughout the plant).

I don't think that anything remotely like this would happen with "dogwood peaches" but something to bear in mind...

For the record, henbane (Hyoscyamus niger) isn't datura (Datura stramonium) though they are related and both produce tropane alkaloids.

I'm told that you can cross fertilise potatoes and tomatoes and get poisonous versions of both. The fruit of a potato looks pretty much like a green tomato.

Dogwood looks pretty distant, botanically, from plums

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: Colin2B on 17/08/2017 23:04:39

Quote from: chris on 17/08/2017 19:51:15

I was just holding this plant cutting for a friend...

Yes, I can just picture the following:
Policeman: hello, hello, what's this 'ere then?
ChiralSPO: It's a plant!

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 23:13:44

Quote from: Colin2B on 17/08/2017 23:04:39

ChiralSPO: It's a plant!

pun intended?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2017 21:57:01

For the record, henbane (Hyoscyamus niger) isn't datura (Datura stramonium) though they are related and both produce tropane alkaloids.

Ah yes, indeed. My mistake. Thanks!

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: Colin2B on 17/08/2017 23:22:09

Quote from: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 23:13:44

Quote from: Colin2B on 17/08/2017 23:04:39

ChiralSPO: It's a plant!

pun intended?

How could I resist it?
You must admit it is somewhat arresting.  :)

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/08/2017 10:35:01

http://www.just-one-liners.com/police-found-pot-plants-were-cannabis/

Apparently some of these plants are weeds.

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: chiralSPO on 19/08/2017 02:10:52

Quote from: Colin2B on 17/08/2017 23:22:09

Quote from: chiralSPO on 17/08/2017 23:13:44

Quote from: Colin2B on 17/08/2017 23:04:39

ChiralSPO: It's a plant!

pun intended?

How could I resist it?
You must admit it is somewhat arresting.  :)

Ok, I'll be blunt. There's a nugget of truth there. But if I may reefer to your earlier comment, it would be highly unwise to accuse a cop of a plant--he might just smoke you!

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: syhprum on 31/03/2019 08:02:58

 "The chimaera produces fruit that look just like tomatoes, but contain potentially fatal concentrations of tropane alkaloids"
Was this what the "wicked stepmother" fed to Snow white in the original version of the story ?
It is well known that tomatoes were suspected of being poisonous when first introduced

Title: Re: Can a fruit tree, like plum or peach, be grafted to the roots of a dogwood?
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on 06/07/2020 09:23:33

Quote from: syhprum on 31/03/2019 08:02:58

It is well known that tomatoes were suspected of being poisonous when first introduced

I have read somewhere that all parts of a tomato plant other than its fruits is poisonous, is that true?