[Bored chemist]

I don't assert any new idea.

That's true. You assert ideas that were dismissed many years ago because they don't tally with the evidence.

[Kryptid]

I'm not the only moderator. If Halc thinks that you are getting too off topic, then you should respect his decree. If you want to ask about the energy source of the Big Bang, you can make a new thread about it. Just don't let it devolve into a discussion about your Theory D.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

My premise is that there was no beginning, i.e., space, time, matter and energy have always existed. I do agree with the multiple occurrences of Big Bang events, ... here and there, now and then ...  The very first moment of time might be construed to be an event particular to each big bang arena in a multiple big bang scenario, meaning that there may not be an initial beginning, but that each big bang arena has its own beginning.

So my thinking is that naturally occurring big bang type events, that I suggest have been occurring forever in the infinite and eternal universe, individually do have a huge, though localized impact. One such event, our own big bang, has impacted a space as big as the entire visible universe, from our point of observation, because everything we see can be logically connected to a singular big bang. But that fact does nothing to preclude an endless series of such events, occurring in any and all directions if you include enough space in your hypothesis (and surely there is enough space if there is an infinite amount of space no matter which way you go).


I don't believe there is any irrefutable evidence though that says there was a beginning, and if you don't invoke a beginning, then an infinite and eternal universe gets easier to adopt as your world/universal view.   
 
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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

... I don't believe there is any irrefutable evidence though that says there was a beginning, and if you don't invoke a beginning, then an infinite and eternal universe gets easier to adopt as your world/universal view.   
 

So if you can't abide my thinking on the subject ...  or if someone lurking here has objections to the idea of "an infinite and eternal universe" without a Creator, I would challenge you with coming up with a viable alternative.


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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

I don't believe there is any irrefutable evidence though that says there was a beginning

There indeed is no irrefutable evidence of it. The big bang theory itself does not preclude it, but neither does it give any meaning to the phrase 'before the big bang'.

True. And the phrase, "before the Big Bang", loses any sort of special "singularity"
 in a multiple big bang cosmological scenario where you have to ask, "before which big bang", lol.


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[Zer0]

lol

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

However, even if there have been and will be new big bangs here and there, or if there are other similar expanding arenas across the infinite space of the universe, my presumption is that once you find yourself alive and in one of those expanding big bang arenas you are destined to remain within that same expanding arena for your entire life, and that "home" arena will continue to expand in space until it eventually intersects and overlaps with an adjacent arena that is expanding toward you.

And out of that type of a scenario, I came up with what I call the Sameness Doctrine. It says that no matter how big a space you imagine, or how much time passes, on a large scale there is a grand sameness across the greater universe.


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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

How can you find yourself anything but alive?

... but just being alive is too soon to celebrate. When you find yourself alive, its time to evaluate the circumstances ... As a baby you realize you are hungry and all you can figure out to do is cry. (Once you get past the diaper stage, you learn to ask for sweets, lol.) At some point you realize that you won't live forever, and building a pyramid didn't prove to be a solution. I predict that is when being philosophical really kicks in  .


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[Zer0]

The first time i found myself Alive...
Was at a funeral of an old lady..
That was the first time ever i had heard about, seen, & understood the concept of Death.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...
That was the first time ever i had heard about, seen, & understood the concept of Death.

It is the nature of the universe for lives to be individual, while death is often a group event. As individuals, there is little that we value more than life, but as the lives of planets and stars play out, death can often be a wholesale event.


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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

I could be way off, and I welcome anyone saying so, but to me, a multiple big bang scenario implies multiple catastrophes resulting in the termination of life on a massive scale, occurring here and there, over all time.  That assumes that life itself is generated from the mix of physics and chemistry that I suggest is the norm over any lengthly span of time and space.  If, on a grand scale, the typical biology present across the universe acts the way I think it does, settings like we find on Earth are natural, and life is "generative and evolvative".


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[Halc]

I could be way off, and I welcome anyone saying so, but to me, a multiple big bang scenario implies multiple catastrophes resulting in the termination of life on a massive scale, occurring here and there, over all time.

Not a very strong claim since any accepted theory I can think of suggests the very same thing. Life appear. Chances of that are unknown, but it's not zero. Random big catastrophes happen, and some of them to those places with life. It's happened multiple times here, and is happening now. None of the ones here wiped out all life, but the Theia event would arguably have destroyed all life on Earth had it happened after life started. Maybe not. I suspect a similar event today (rendering the entire Earth's surface into molten rock) would not be enough to extinguish all Earth life.

That assumes that life itself is generated from the mix of physics and chemistry

Well, what alternative is there to that? I mean, chemistry is just part of physics, so you don't even need to include that word.

life is "generative and evolvative".

Not sure what you mean by 'generative'. I can imagine 'life' not being what you call 'evolvative', but that all depends on one's definition of 'life' I suppose.

[Zer0]

...
That was the first time ever i had heard about, seen, & understood the concept of Death.

It is the nature of the universe for lives to be individual, while death is often a group event. As individuals, there is little that we value more than life, but as the lives of planets and stars play out, death can often be a wholesale event.


185641,

This is dependent on an Individual's Personal Views.

I am a Single life form.
But perhaps i house Millions of Other life forms within my body.
My Death would be similar to the Ending of their Universe.
(group event)

Our personal Values vary accordingly.
Some might lay more Emphasis on Ethics & Morals.
Or Joy & Happiness.
(If all that mattered was stayin Alive, none would have committed Suicide)

Transcending our personal existence, if the Whole Universe can be thought of as One Single Entity...
Then any Cosmic scaled destruction probably won't matter.
(when one flower withers n dies, another blossoms)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

This is dependent on an Individual's Personal Views.

I am a Single life form.
But perhaps i house Millions of Other life forms within my body.
My Death would be similar to the Ending of their Universe.
(group event)

Our personal Values vary accordingly.
Some might lay more Emphasis on Ethics & Morals.
Or Joy & Happiness.
(If all that mattered was stayin Alive, none would have committed Suicide)

Thank you, well said.

Transcending our personal existence, if the Whole Universe can be thought of as One Single Entity...
Then any Cosmic scaled destruction probably won't matter.
(when one flower withers n dies, another blossoms)

Let me add to that and say that even though it is hard for me to think of eternity as a single event, it does get me thinking of the existence of the universe in terms of one single entity with an infinite time allotment.


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[Halc]

Let me add to that and say that even though it is hard for me to think of eternity as a single event, it does get me thinking of the existence of the universe in terms of one single entity with an infinite time allotment.

The Penrose multiple-bang universe is something like that.
Relative to our time and space reckoning, the prior universe (all of them actually) is a single event, taking place in an instant all in one place (a single event as you put it). The next bang will occur after an infinite time passes in this universe, and the time in that universe will be infinitely larger than in this one, so that this instance occurs instantly by their time reckoning.

[Zer0]

We are somehow forced or coerced or provoked into thinking/speculating/imagining a larger grander image, isn't it.

Getting down from banana & mango trees, coming out of the jungle & bushes We see...

First it was a ground, bordering a hill, then someone figured out " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...there is more land across & behind the Hill!

Then it's an island, surrounded by the sea.
Until someone learns to swim & then " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...there is another Island!

Colonizing a whole continent, sailing across the horizon, searching an edge & fearing We might fall off of the face of the Earth, " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...more Continents!

Moving from geocentrism to heliocentrism, " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...more Planets!

Staring at the mesmerizing Stars, " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...more Suns!

Analyzing the Milky way, focusing on a bunch of Stars that seem farther away, " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...more Galaxies!

Pondering about the Observable Universe...tryin to imagine & speculate what lies ahead...

" Hey, Wait a Minute! "
(lol)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...
Pondering about the Observable Universe...tryin to imagine & speculate what lies ahead...

...

Contemplating the future is one of my favorite pastimes ...

From here and now, I speculate the future will be         ,,,          more of the same          ...


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[Halc]

From here and now, I speculate the future will be         ,,,          more of the same     

Sort of. Earth will not be habitable by multicellular life within about a billion years, so that's the end of us well before then if we don't find a way to do something about it. That's not exactly 'more of the same'. I personally see purpose in humanity. We have the ability to initiate the next level, but most people find, well, 'more of the same' to be more comforting.

Staring at the mesmerizing Stars, " Hey, Wait a Minute! "...more Suns!

There has always been this trend, yes, of what is being larger than we expected, larger than we find comfortable. Each time it gets bigger, we get less significant. Now we're getting to the parts that are totally unreachable by us, and yet there they are.

OK, other observable universes beyond the one centered on us, but that's only one level of 'there's more'. Tegmark identified 3 other ways that there's more than just what was described by the prior levels. Just like the hypothetical galaxy 70 BLY away, none of these places is reachable by us. No experiment can interact with them, and so one can safely ignore them if it makes you uncomfortable to do otherwise.

[Zer0]

Imagination, to me, seems like a default pre-loaded app stored inside the Brain.
You can Try to Clear cache & Delete all data & Force stop it.
But you Just cannot Uninstall it.

E.g.
Unicorns do Not exist!
(auto loads an image of a white horse, single horn on head & possibly white wings)
lol


I have very little hope left in humans.
But it's still there.

" I see Humans, but No Humanity! ".
(J. Donahue)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

From here and now, I speculate the future will be         ,,,          more of the same     

Sort of. Earth will not be habitable by multicellular life within about a billion years, so that's the end of us well before then if we don't find a way to do something about it. That's not exactly 'more of the same'. I personally see purpose in humanity. We have the ability to initiate the next level, but most people find, well, 'more of the same' to be more comforting.

The "more of the same" I refer to is part of a "sameness doctrine" where if you are anywhere in the infinite universe, as everything is , if you consider the grand scale from that perspective, the universe will look essentially the same as it does from anywhere else. The key phrase to make all such perspectives quite similar is "on a grand scale". That is, on a scale that is large enough to make the view from there representative of the view from any location in the universe.


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