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Quote from: pyropeach on 28/05/2011 22:40:58Besides, we can't be straddling between two theories, lets just pick one and go with it for as long as it takes us. Personally, I don't think that intellectual method is the route to success. That's groupthink. And it shuts down curiosity and possibility. And, pyropeach, excuse me, but that seems like quite a reversal considering your most previous statements. Whichever theory you decide to investigate is up to you. We are blessed to have many people on the forum, and this gives us the opportunity to do more than a single researcher can. I think we need to really employ the scientific method ourselves if we are to get anywhere. It should be possible however to keep more than one theory in mind if you use your intelligence.
Besides, we can't be straddling between two theories, lets just pick one and go with it for as long as it takes us.
Quote from: pyropeach on 28/05/2011 21:47:56This is definitely consistent with the auto-immune theory. Animus, didn't you mention that you can still ejaculate, only much less than before and only experience very mild POIS symptoms? No. This is not true at all. In fact I have said the just opposite recently in the last few pages. Please check my previous comments.
This is definitely consistent with the auto-immune theory. Animus, didn't you mention that you can still ejaculate, only much less than before and only experience very mild POIS symptoms?
Quote from: demografx on 28/05/2011 21:14:29Pyropeach, wow, just as soon as I thought I was getting a small handle on my own POIS mechanisms, you come along and introduce.....Science!Sigh....back to the drawing board! []Sincerely, many thanks for the enlightenment.Can't help it Demo...I'm a biomedical engineer. I just thought I could clarify "regeneration"...
Pyropeach, wow, just as soon as I thought I was getting a small handle on my own POIS mechanisms, you come along and introduce.....Science!Sigh....back to the drawing board! []Sincerely, many thanks for the enlightenment.
Quote from: pyropeach on 28/05/2011 21:47:56Pyropeach, somewhere along the way, I "lost" my sperm count.Demo, I'm sorry to hear that you lost your sperm count...could that be related to your T-patches?
Pyropeach, somewhere along the way, I "lost" my sperm count.
She sent me to the [Johns Hopkins] Sexual Behaviors Consultation Unit where I saw Dr. Chris Kraft (the expert commentator on Strange Sex last week).
I received an email from the [Johns Hopkins] endo, and she still believed that [POIS] was psychological.
I wanted your feedback on Allegra.
Quote from: Animus on 28/05/2011 21:03:23Quote from: daveman on 28/05/2011 16:11:21I'm saying there's a debate here. And perhaps we don't have enough information to say one way or the other. I understand what your saying Animus. And it could be. But it could also be auto-immune with the same situation.daveman, Thank you for making that point. I think it's important. I wonder how one would explain demo's improvement along the allergy theory. How would you explain that?Also I would like to understand how testosterone could improve an allergic reaction. Similarly, one can see my solution in terms of the allergy theory- in that semen elimination took away the allergen...? Testosterone is a feedback hormone. It says, hey, I've got enough sperm! When it's low, like after ejac. the system says... oohh-ohh, I have to produce sperm.So when "T" is taken, it reduces and even stops sperm production. If we are alergic to sperm, the allergy stops because we don't produce sperm. That's the idea with the use of male contraceptive methods to reduce/stop POIS.As far as the remaining 20% that Demo has, could be semen allergy(?). Females are allergic to the proteins in semen more than they are allergic to sperm.So who knows. Both reasons are possible. Allergy or regeneration.I just want to, for once and for all, stop guessing!!!
Quote from: daveman on 28/05/2011 16:11:21I'm saying there's a debate here. And perhaps we don't have enough information to say one way or the other. I understand what your saying Animus. And it could be. But it could also be auto-immune with the same situation.daveman, Thank you for making that point. I think it's important. I wonder how one would explain demo's improvement along the allergy theory. How would you explain that?Also I would like to understand how testosterone could improve an allergic reaction. Similarly, one can see my solution in terms of the allergy theory- in that semen elimination took away the allergen...?
I'm saying there's a debate here. And perhaps we don't have enough information to say one way or the other. I understand what your saying Animus. And it could be. But it could also be auto-immune with the same situation.
Quote from: daveman on 28/05/2011 22:05:21Quote from: Animus on 28/05/2011 21:18:14Quote from: pyropeach on 28/05/2011 19:50:32Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated...I can attest to that feeling too.Well it sure seems like it. But you can't take your sperm count in your head! LOLI was not taking my sperm count in my head. I was sensing a legitimate biological feeling, which I had grown attuned to and aware of. Perhaps the cause of that feeling is unknown, and "illusory" as demo has suggested. However, it is legitimate, and has a legitimate cause.
Quote from: Animus on 28/05/2011 21:18:14Quote from: pyropeach on 28/05/2011 19:50:32Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated...I can attest to that feeling too.Well it sure seems like it. But you can't take your sperm count in your head! LOL
Quote from: pyropeach on 28/05/2011 19:50:32Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated...I can attest to that feeling too.
Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated...
(Maybe I was mistaken with my earlier speculation that [testosterone] enhanced demo's semen regeneration.)
All I'm trying to say is this: I do believe we should make extended efforts to develop the auto-immune theory because it is the strongest theory out there. It was developed and carried out by certified experts, valid scientific data was collected, and it is mainly why we FINALLY have the attention of the biomedical scientific community in addition to the media (TLC). There is no one here on this forum unintelligent enough to believe it is impossible to keep multiple theories afloat, to say or imply otherwise is absurd.
Quote from: pyropeach on 29/05/2011 04:10:52All I'm trying to say is this: I do believe we should make extended efforts to develop the auto-immune theory because it is the strongest theory out there. It was developed and carried out by certified experts, valid scientific data was collected, and it is mainly why we FINALLY have the attention of the biomedical scientific community in addition to the media (TLC). There is no one here on this forum unintelligent enough to believe it is impossible to keep multiple theories afloat, to say or imply otherwise is absurd.Pyro, I agree with what you say, but I'm not sure about the emphasis or weight of alternate theories.In some ways, we as the POIS suffering community have a vast storehouse of information, experience, and a keener edge on our condition than any single medical researcher/group. Medical breakthroughs are carried out scientifically, but often begin intuitively. Sometimes even accidentally (Viagra). And, as you know, sometimes hypotheses can be ultimately researched and/or presented as self-fulfilling prophecies.Has auto-immune been seriously pitted against competing theories? I don't think so.What can be more comprehensive as well as powerfully intuitive than our collective experiences born of REAL PAIN?Look at your brilliant Compendium.Your Compendium is vastly more far-reaching in scope than any single research entity could conduct.All I'm trying to say is this: let's continue with OUR strength, which is to explore EVERY reasonable angle, based on our real experience.I acknowledge a great debt of gratitude for the worldwide publicity garnered by recent research. But let's not short-sell our profound knowledge, motivation, and enormous flexibility to perhaps be the frontrunners in the definitive cure of POIS.Our motivation is the purest of all: WE WANT RELIEF.
No, I am completely POIS free.... It requires maintenance. The surgeries removed all but the prostate- so it's still possible to create some seminal fluid. What I'm doing is shrinking the prostate as much as possible with medication. I find if I go off these medications, I will have some mild return of POIS symptoms- but much milder and less threatening than I had originally. While on these prostate meds I am completely symptom free, and have dry ejaculations.
[Let's] determine what exactly in semen could potentially cause the allergic reaction because I think that may yield a valuable breakthrough.
Speaking of the compendium...its looking like semen-regeneration is gaining steam and make its way into the next revision. I'm sure there's much more that can be added, and suggestions or comments can be added in the other forum under the Suggestions for the Compendium section found in Support and Miscellaneous. If anyone wishes to add something, suggest something, or whatever to the compendium, please feel free to say so there!
The new POIS Forum link:www.POISCenter.com/forums/index.php