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Title: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 05/06/2021 10:14:32
Or are those in charge trying to smear him. Watch the WHOLE thing.

Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/06/2021 11:28:14
Even on a Saturday morning, I have better things to do with half an hour than watch some video.

Also, I think the site's rules require you to provide enough information to discuss the topic without having to go looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 05/06/2021 12:22:34
Even on a Saturday morning, I have better things to do with half an hour than watch some video.

Also, I think the site's rules require you to provide enough information to discuss the topic without having to go looking elsewhere.

Yeah, chase trolls around the forum. It was stated on here that the comedian Jimmy Dore was a conspiracy theorist. Here is a video that shows why in this instance he is not. Sometimes the guy DOES fall into the trap of following a bad lead. But the smear appears to be disingenuous if you don't actually view the material.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/06/2021 12:25:39
So, you break the rules and then, on account of that, you call me a troll.

Well, that's one approach to discussion.
What does the video actually say?
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Colin2B on 05/06/2021 18:41:13
It was stated on here that the comedian Jimmy Dore was a conspiracy theorist. Here is a video that shows why in this instance he is not.
If I remember the context correctly, a poster claimed he was not a conspiracy theorist for supporting a conspiracy theory about a gas attack in Syria.  Someone pointed out that he also supported some of the 9/11 conspiracies. I doubt he is a committed conspiracist, just out to get higher viewing figures.
That reminds me, I should really put both sides of the Syria thing up rather than leave the one sided view. Iíll do that.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 05/06/2021 19:42:02
So, you break the rules and then, on account of that, you call me a troll.

Well, that's one approach to discussion.
What does the video actually say?

I didn't call you a troll. I said you chase trolls. Which is what you do. You actually do a very effective job.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 05/06/2021 19:57:54
It was stated on here that the comedian Jimmy Dore was a conspiracy theorist. Here is a video that shows why in this instance he is not.
If I remember the context correctly, a poster claimed he was not a conspiracy theorist for supporting a conspiracy theory about a gas attack in Syria.  Someone pointed out that he also supported some of the 9/11 conspiracies. I doubt he is a committed conspiracist, just out to get higher viewing figures.
That reminds me, I should really put both sides of the Syria thing up rather than leave the one sided view. Iíll do that.

The problem with the "debunking' of the Syria gas attack is it was based on one engineer's report at the OPCW. That engineer dissented and said the scene looked staged. The late Robert Fisk was on the ground in Syria at the time and this is where some more of the doubt came in. Here is a link to his article. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html
So, you break the rules and then, on account of that, you call me a troll.

Well, that's one approach to discussion.
What does the video actually say?

The video is about the lies told by Dr Anthony Fauci during the pandemic. There has been a release of his emails over the period of the pandemic via a freedom of information request.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Kryptid on 05/06/2021 20:54:17
If I remember the context correctly, a poster claimed he was not a conspiracy theorist for supporting a conspiracy theory about a gas attack in Syria.

Yes, and that member's name was Jolly2.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/06/2021 21:18:15
The video is about the lies told by Dr Anthony Fauci during the pandemic.
I seem to recall Jolly misrepresenting  what Fauci said as being lies.
If the video different?
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 05/06/2021 21:42:26
The video is about the lies told by Dr Anthony Fauci during the pandemic.
I seem to recall Jolly misrepresenting  what Fauci said as being lies.
If the video different?

Well, if you haven't watched the video then you won't be able to come to a conclusion. Since you have no observations on which you can base said conclusions. Without observations, all is conjecture.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 05/06/2021 22:15:37
Let's get one thing straight. I do not believe in conspiracy theories. The 9/11 conspiracy theories are spread by those who have done no proper research. Sometimes, however, the so called conspiracy theorist finds and shares something worth following up. However, they can be easily dismissed because of past behaviour. This does not benefit anyone but those in positions of power.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/06/2021 22:36:25
Well, if you haven't watched the video then you won't be able to come to a conclusion. Since you have no observations on which you can base said conclusions. Without observations, all is conjecture.
I know. That's why I asked you what was in the video.
But, for some reason, you seem unable to answer.

Having said that, re. " Since you have no observations on which you can base said conclusions. Without observations, all is conjecture."
That's not quite true.
I have made observations about what Dr F has said, and I have seen reports from others about what he has said.

It is not unreasonable for me to conclude  (in this context) that the video contains similar material which misrepresents what he said.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 05/06/2021 22:37:18
Now the reason why we need to be concerned about how those in power deal with covid distribution is pointed out in this BBC report. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55795297

If we don't get those billions of doses out there then the unrestricted infections will lead to more, and maybe deadlier variants of covid. That affects all of us.

Why should rich countries delay getting these vaccines to the rest of the world?
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 05/06/2021 22:38:17
Well, if you haven't watched the video then you won't be able to come to a conclusion. Since you have no observations on which you can base said conclusions. Without observations, all is conjecture.
I know. That's why I asked you what was in the video.
But, for some reason, you seem unable to answer.

Having said that, re. " Since you have no observations on which you can base said conclusions. Without observations, all is conjecture."
That's not quite true.
I have made observations about what Dr F has said, and I have seen reports from others about what he has said.

It is not unreasonable for me to conclude  (in this context) that the video contains similar material which misrepresents what he said.

Rubbish. You just don't want to watch it since your mind is already made up for you.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/06/2021 22:44:00
I know. That's why I asked you what was in the video.
But, for some reason, you seem unable to answer.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 05/06/2021 22:44:23
Well here is a report from the BBC about the Fauci email release. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57352992
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 00:18:56
I know. That's why I asked you what was in the video.
But, for some reason, you seem unable to answer.

No I am taking no notice of you. You accused me of calling you a troll when I didn't. Maybe you just misread it, which is excusable. If you misrepresented me on purpose to paint me in a negative light that is less excusable.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 01:05:53
I know. That's why I asked you what was in the video.
But, for some reason, you seem unable to answer.


What I said above:

The video is about the lies told by Dr Anthony Fauci during the pandemic. There has been a release of his emails over the period of the pandemic via a freedom of information request.

You seem incapable of parsing sentences. Why do you keep doing that?
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Kryptid on 06/06/2021 04:35:00
That's why I asked you what was in the video.

Basically what's happening in the video is Jimmy Dore going back and forth comparing statements that Fauci has made publicly with content from his E-mails. Included are statements about his stance on masks, asymptomatic spread, a possible lab leak of the virus, whether or not he has been blocked from making particular statements, and his talks with Bill Gates about a global vaccination effort. Dore claimed that Fauci lied by pointing out contradictions between his E-mails and his public statements.

To be honest, I wasn't able to read the text that was posted very well so I'm not sure how true it was. However, one particular thing I did notice was that Dore said that Fauci lied because he claimed publicly that we didn't know that 50% of infections were asymptomatic whereas he was shown to talk about asymptomatic infections much earlier in one E-mail. The thing is, Fauci didn't say in the E-mail how many infections were asymptomatic, only that there would be some. So I don't count that particular one as a lie.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Colin2B on 06/06/2021 06:59:51
The problem with the "debunking' of the Syria gas attack is it was based on one engineer's report at the OPCW. That engineer dissented and said the scene looked staged. The late Robert Fisk was on the ground in Syria at the time and this is where some more of the doubt came in. Here is a link to his article. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html
The problem we face with conspiracy theories is that as individuals we never have full access to any evidence or information, so we rely on our information sources to give us a balanced view. After that itís up to us to decide which we believe.
Most conspiracy theories develop around factual events and the initial reporting will often stick in our minds because it is dramatic eg 9/11.
If we look at the case of Andrew Wakefield and MMR, his initial claims were widely reported in all the national and international press, but when the BMA claimed he had faked the data, taken undeclared money, and had his own patent for a single vaccine, that was reported with less vigour, particularly in much of the international press. Now he has become the centre of a conspiracy theory that the establishment and big pharma want to hide the truth. A conspiracy that has become big business.
I have a great deal of respect for Robert Fisk and I am certain that he reported what he found in interviews. The Independent certainly gave a lot of coverage to the Douma attacks, but as far as I am aware they didnít give the same coverage to the results of the independent enquiry into the OPCW report as other newspapers did eg https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/07/inquiry-strikes-blow-to-russian-denials-of-syria-chemical-attack
Which side of this conspiracy theory you believe ............?
but as Phil Collins said, ďwe always need to hear both sides of the storyĒ
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 10:26:44
You seem incapable of parsing sentences.
You don't have any evidence to support that rather silly claim.
I'm not asking you to transcribe the whole video or anything like that.

I'm just asking for something like this...
" x minutes into the video they show an email from F to ... whoever...  saying ... whatever....
That statement is false  and he should have known that at the time, so he is a liar."

In a half-hour video about the emails which prove he is a liar, that should be easy enough to do.



Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 10:29:22
You accused me of calling you a troll when I didn't.
I accept that you seem to have called yourself a troll, rather than me and I apologise for that misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 10:33:23
You accused me of calling you a troll when I didn't.
I accept that you seem to have called yourself a troll, rather than me and I apologise for that misunderstanding.

And there it is. Character assassination. You are good at that, aren't you.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 10:35:17
You accused me of calling you a troll when I didn't.
I accept that you seem to have called yourself a troll, rather than me and I apologise for that misunderstanding.

And there it is. Character assassination. You are good at that, aren't you.
You forgot to answer the real point.

Rather good at that, aren't you.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 10:59:59
You accused me of calling you a troll when I didn't.
I accept that you seem to have called yourself a troll, rather than me and I apologise for that misunderstanding.

And there it is. Character assassination. You are good at that, aren't you.
You forgot to answer the real point.

Rather good at that, aren't you.

Let's have this out in the open. How long have you considered me a troll? Don't just dodge the question.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 11:16:50
How long have you considered me a troll?
I hadn't thought of it until you mentioned it in this thread.

Now...


Don't just dodge the question.

What does the video say?

I'm not asking you to transcribe the whole video or anything like that.

I'm just asking for something like this...
" x minutes into the video they show an email from F to ... whoever...  saying ... whatever....
That statement is false  and he should have known that at the time, so he is a liar."
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 11:22:37
I hadn't thought of it until you mentioned it in this thread.

So why insinuate it?
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 11:35:09
No.
It really is your turn to answer the question.

What does the video say?

Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 10:26:44
I'm not asking you to transcribe the whole video or anything like that.

I'm just asking for something like this...
" x minutes into the video they show an email from F to ... whoever...  saying ... whatever....
That statement is false  and he should have known that at the time, so he is a liar."
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 11:45:35
No.
It really is your turn to answer the question.

What does the video say?

Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 10:26:44
I'm not asking you to transcribe the whole video or anything like that.

I'm just asking for something like this...
" x minutes into the video they show an email from F to ... whoever...  saying ... whatever....
That statement is false  and he should have known that at the time, so he is a liar."


I'm ignoring your deflection tactics.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 11:48:12
So why insinuate it

Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 12:59:16
You post a video.
I ask what it shows.
You start talking about trolling.
I repeatedly ask what is in the video.
You keep talking about trolling and ask about it.
I answer.
I ask  about the video again.
You tell me that's a diversion tactic.

So, guess what I'm going to do next...


Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 11:16:50
What does the video say?

Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 10:26:44
I'm not asking you to transcribe the whole video or anything like that.

I'm just asking for something like this...
" x minutes into the video they show an email from F to ... whoever...  saying ... whatever....
That statement is false  and he should have known that at the time, so he is a liar."
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 13:45:39
You could answer "I didn't insinuate you are a troll". Now why don't you do that?
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 14:00:12
You could answer "
What does the video actually say?


since I asked first.

Though the answer is easy enough.
I called you out for not actually telling us what your thread was about.
You posted a video with a big banner saying "Fauci lies revealed in emails".

Since then I have been trying to get to to say if the video actually shows "what it says on the tin".
You have yet to actually answer.

Then you said "
Yeah, chase trolls around the forum.
Now, among the things internet trolls do is post provocative videos (or other content) then fail to engage with any discussion about them.

You raised the issue of trolling.
And you have steadfastly refused to say whether or  not the video actually does what it says.

Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 14:19:08
What is the name of this board? I'm sure you can answer that.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 14:27:12
I'm ignoring your deflection tactics.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 14:28:59
Since J H is refusing to answer the question, can anyone else tell me if the video actually contains evidence of an email which shows that Fauci is a liar?

Please don't bother telling me that I could watch the video.
Obviously I know that, just humour me and answer the question
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 14:35:04
What is the name of this board? I'm sure you can answer that.
You seem to think it's the "TNS posting a video then, by refusing to answer simple questions, failing to take part in discussion" forum
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/06/2021 18:21:19
Basically what's happening in the video is Jimmy Dore going back and forth comparing statements that Fauci has made publicly with content from his E-mails. Included are statements about his stance on masks, asymptomatic spread, a possible lab leak of the virus, whether or not he has been blocked from making particular statements, and his talks with Bill Gates about a global vaccination effort. Dore claimed that Fauci lied by pointing out contradictions between his E-mails and his public statements.

To be honest, I wasn't able to read the text that was posted very well so I'm not sure how true it was. However, one particular thing I did notice was that Dore said that Fauci lied because he claimed publicly that we didn't know that 50% of infections were asymptomatic whereas he was shown to talk about asymptomatic infections much earlier in one E-mail. The thing is, Fauci didn't say in the E-mail how many infections were asymptomatic, only that there would be some. So I don't count that particular one as a lie.

Wow B.C. your eyes need testing.
Title: Re: Is Jimmy Dore a conspiracy theorist?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2021 19:31:24
Basically what's happening in the video is Jimmy Dore going back and forth comparing statements that Fauci has made publicly with content from his E-mails. Included are statements about his stance on masks, asymptomatic spread, a possible lab leak of the virus, whether or not he has been blocked from making particular statements, and his talks with Bill Gates about a global vaccination effort. Dore claimed that Fauci lied by pointing out contradictions between his E-mails and his public statements.

To be honest, I wasn't able to read the text that was posted very well so I'm not sure how true it was. However, one particular thing I did notice was that Dore said that Fauci lied because he claimed publicly that we didn't know that 50% of infections were asymptomatic whereas he was shown to talk about asymptomatic infections much earlier in one E-mail. The thing is, Fauci didn't say in the E-mail how many infections were asymptomatic, only that there would be some. So I don't count that particular one as a lie.

Wow B.C. your eyes need testing.
I didn't say that Kryptid thought it was the "don't answer questions" forum, I said you seem to think it is.

I see you are still not actually answering.
Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 11:35:09
Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 11:16:50
What does the video say?

Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 10:26:44
I'm not asking you to transcribe the whole video or anything like that.

I'm just asking for something like this...
" x minutes into the video they show an email from F to ... whoever...  saying ... whatever....
That statement is false  and he should have known that at the time, so he is a liar."