[DanielB (OP)]

In order to understand gravity, on the level of planetary gravity the first thing you have to do, is stop looking at it, like the field is already there.   And in our home,, earth,, our gravity,, started with the birth of our star, the sun.  And the reason you have to start there, is that's the first thing, that caused,, (according to Einsteins theory of relativity published 1916, spacetime are distorted by matter.)  the first distortion of spacetime.    That would be when the hydrogen gas clouds,, that finally got hot enough under gravity's immense pressure,, and then Nuclear Fusion started.   At this point,, the gravity is only proportionate to the size and mass and now is pressed out against gravity, not only with mass, but with raw energy pushing against it as well.  So the distortion of spacetime , would be greater than just the distortion of mass alone.  This would put gravity into a hyper state.  But it would still conform as gravity waves would. 

The gravity waves, would push against space time, but since the gravity started within spacetime and pushes outward, as the gravitational field grows.  Gravitational fields, are all the same shape in design , once matter collects to the size of 500 miles wide, where gravity conforms it to a spherical shape.   Stronger gravity waves at the equalateral line, and weaker at the north and southern poles.   

Einstein has example (earth) as having  the displacement in a sphere around the planet in spacetime.  But the gravitational field is what presses against spacetime,, and that would mean that the spacetime, would instead of the sphere,, it would be as the field itself.  Wider at the equater, weaker at the poles, and that would cause the northern and southern poles to be slightly compressed, forming a downward cusp. 

This allows spacetime , to then flow around it and over it,, and that would create a slight pressure enough for a vacuum to hold that object into spacetime.  (That explains why when our earth,,rotates around the sun due to it gravitational displacement.  Since all gravitational fields, of spherical, rotating matter, are the same,, and since all, gravitational fields are created within, and then only expand out into spacetime.  It is a scientific fact, in all creation, that gravitational fields(grow) within space, or spacetime as Einstein called it.   But that is a fact of planetary creation, even solar creation, they start there. 

In the displacement of spacetime, not distorted, all fields are the same, just with different levels of gravity, and that is on what they displace.

Our earth, or jupiter would never displace, the amount of space time, that the sun does.   It's not only enhanced by not only the mass and sheer density,, but the nuclear force billions upon billions , of nuclear detenations per second.     On it's cusp of displacement, much, greater than any of our planets,, keep its rotationary position, more stable due to size .
But they all react the same due to design, and while the gravity and  the sun's displacement , keeps us liner ,, the stablity, it  provides,, in spacetime,, keeps our earth from moving up and down.   That's how all the other planets are kept.  Its when you see gravity, start,, not just the field,, that you see it.

Note:  The cusp, deformation of the gravitational field, and the spacetime deformation is my theory, and that it is why our planet stays in orbit so perfectly.   This theory is based on design of the earth's field, on how when formed within and pushing outward, according to the basic laws of force,, would be. 
Note:  Hyper Gravity of Solar gravitational fields, are also based upon Quantum mechanic's , as well as Newtons Third Law of force , and Einsteins Special relativity.  This would multiply the amount of spacetime that would be displaced.  (This cusp for space time displacement,, allows spherical object, held in place, to take a impact from a asteroid, and comet, with out being blown due to kinetic energy, out of orbit).  Otherwise, nothing would stay still)

When you see the planets now held in spacetime, each planet along with the sun, the Kieper belt, everything inside of it, are rotating.  We have always rotated, in our place in the arm of our Milky Way Galaxy.   Again, this is a scientific fact that our solar system rotate.   On it's borders past the Kieper belt, our Helipause,, protects us from stellar winds.

Now that would mean that spacetime has stellar winds,, and our helipause, is more or less, a shell covering over our solar system, and it is. That is again, a scientific fact.  But our solar system, since it has mass and rotates,, of course it would produce a,, yes,, gravitational field.  Gravity does not change, what it does,, only it operates on size and mass.  This gravitational field, that is refered to as the heilopause,, due to size and mass,, while large on size, would be weak in design.  And why it keeps out the forceful winds , allows the rest to flow through it. 

Every solar system, we connect with,, are designed pretty much like ours,, bigger smaller,, it depends on what object gripped it , billions of years ago,, as its center.  No solar system would be the same.  But it's a scientific fact,, at the center of every solar system,, is a object of matter, with density,, that surpasses any other. 

This would have the stellar wind's blowing in between the solar systems,, within the arms,, of our spherical galaxy, the Milky way.  And yes,, at the center of it,, a object with the largest density, our black hole.   And every solar system turning,, rotating, inside their own gravitational rotation,, as each planet, each star, we are held together by our own gravitational displacement of our galaxy.  While spacetime flow around us. 

Now dont forget,, each gravitational field,, are the same in design,, and the cusp at the top, would as it began in spacetime and pushed out,, create the vacuum at the north and southern poles, and grip into spacetime.

And of course,, we move into the stellar super structures,, that make up all of the galaxies, we know today..  And you see how they build,, each one,, moving in the flow of spacetime.  Gravity being born within the spacetime,,over and over again.  But growing from a planet size gravity,, and gravity is always based on mass, and density for it's strength. 

The gravitational rotation, always at the displacement of the gravity curves more significant at it's equator vs the top or southern poles and presses against spacetime.   This would also explain how gravitational lensing would be done. Not that matter displace spacetime,, but the matters gravitational field displaces spacetime.

It is a scientific fact, that on earth and on every planet with gravitational field, that gravity is a constant, and is force, causes rotation. That would be in a constant state, and the compression from the gravitational field, against spacetime, would cause,, (Gravitational Lensing).  This would form against flowing spacetime creating a perfectly black mirror.  While I have never seen gravitational  lensing, this would mean, that the curviture of the lensing,, would become distorted as you reach  the upper cusp of the vacuum against spacetime.  Otherwise, there would be a continual view at the northern and southern poles, and lensing would occur there as well. 

This is when you look at spacetime from a Univeral Level, it has every stellar super structure within it.   The reason your brought back to this level,, Is so you can see the Universe, and look downward on it.  We know the big bang, started it all, and as it expanded,, it expanded outward,, as a sphere.   But, within the sphere, it has created spacetime, otherwise, we wouldn't exist, just that plain and simple.  But it's in how it created spacetime, that truly explains gravity.

If you looked down on the Universe as its creating,,on the outer edges you would see matter created,, and huge clouds,, all around us,, down in the middle of the sphere, a energy belt, Universal Gravity.  Ug would then at the beginning, be hot, and anything in it,, hot as well, gravity does not stop no matter how hot it gets.  Only if it looses its matter would it stop.   What it would have to do,,is wait for the other matter to collect in the center of it's Ug belt, in order to start the process of collecting matter together.   And it would, down from the smallest levels,, with would be our planet and moons.  It's then, they work backwards, up to the level of super structures. 

Our Universe,, the Ug belt/ spacetime,

Spacetime has the following, mass, matter, movement, direction, current, and constant, gravity, extreme heat , extreme explosive forces.  What type of force/matter can hold all of those forces on such a level, but a plasma and still allow for movement, and expansion, without causing disruption.  When you see the Ug/Spacetime as a energetic plasma.  This is why it flows from outer regions of our universe where the clouds form,, and formation grows from it center outward.   The Ug belt/spacetime, flowing through and around every particle, down to planet's, comet's and dust and gas.   Since our Ug is in rotation, and constant movement, there fore the conclusion would be, that would cause flow, and it's flow is why we see galaxies, at different angles as we see them through hubble.  Gravitational force, would be constant, with  no fluctuation up or down.  Gravity is constant.  We wouldn't know if we are upside down in our galaxy, we are in a current of the Ug B/spacetime.  It's viscosity,, would be just monumental, almost one could say, the most viscous thing I know of.  Pitch,, its viscosity is 230 billion times that of water.   

But on a cosmic scale,, when a object is two times further away from you,, why it moves twice as fast, and if something is three times the the distance,, it's three times as fast.  A viscious energetic plasma .  That would explain, why everything in Ug B/spacetime even as it trickles into our solar system,, has a charge.  And it would explain, why we are held in our gravitational orbits like we are.  The gravitational displacement, would create a vacuum, suction on it, and it being a continual flowing plasma,, would give it the cohesion.  Since we would be displacing the Ug B/spacetime, flowing over us, the gravitational field's as they displace, would add a boyancy.   

This would also explain in detail gravitataional lensing, in a clearer detail now.   

These gravitational forces,, that are born from within Ug,  and then broken down to the levels. Proportionate, to their respective size per mass, and strength level. 

Ug B   (universal gravity belt)
Ug SS (Steller Super Structures)
Ug G (Galaxy)
Ug S1 (Solar)
Ug S2 (Hyper Gravity)

Hyper Gravity, are where due to Nuclear forces on such a massive scale, nuclear force's  press against the star's gravitational field, with enough force, that it's gravitational field is stretched held in a hyper state.  Depressing against such a volume of displacement, of the Ug B/ spacetime. 

This is the force,, that as it's fuel runs out, and the gravity rushes in, not only are the gravitational forces going in. But also the  forces of the Ug B/spacetime as well.   When they hit that stars core,, Hyper gravity,, along with spacetime,, give it the turbo charge,, all moving faster than the speed of light.   And that amount of Hg B/spacetime, slamming in with that speed.  Gravity is constant,, there is no other way for it not react.  Gravitational fields inside of gravitational fields.  That's all that happens inside of there.   And it's when, the black holes, the cores are kicked into hyper drive, it all enclosing at once,, that gravity,, sends it instantly compressing, as the gravitational field roars to life again. 

The reason I say roars to life again. When the fuel runs out, a NEW gravity takes its place and explodes outwared to the outer boundries now rush in with space time headed with it, as giving it a turbo boost.   When that kind of force comes to life that quick.  Inside of that star, the blackhole starts a new gravitational displacement, the new formed rotation and matter compression, instantly have the core turned to liquid under immense heat and pressure.  This would do quite a few things.   

It would explain how a star turns into a black hole , when the corona of the star is pulled from the inside down at it's poles deforming the star.  While the gravitational arms reach outward for the first time,, as the star pulls inward,, the pressure from the newly forming gravitational arms,, cause a pressure burst from the corona. This results in a quasar burst,, and how it ejects into a liner eruption. Since this would compress the inside of the remaining star matter,, to eject, directing all the photons at once,, and why it's the brightest object in the Universe. 

Inside the black hole, that much heat, that much compression, not only by the density, but by speed of rotation.  The measured speed of a black hole, came back at half the speed of light.  With that much heat and compression inside, that solid core compressed matter, that had the force of the Ug B/spacetime along with gravity slam into it.  Compression fusion, and then fission, would probably begin.   Due to that much gravity, and heat,  only Gamma ray burst, would be seen, and that is if it would result in fission.  Built up energy from forces being released in gamma rays. 

That would be due to matter inside the core ,, rotating at speeds,, due to hyper gravity, rotating at speeds at the speeds faster than the speed of light , maybe a little less.  This would mean, possible time displacement as well. And how that would then affect, Hawking Radiation theory.  I understand one thing, if can measure the surface speed of any object, there is a  layer of matter on it.  Like every spherical object, the blackhole would have layers.  I see them as Induction layer (pulled from the accrection disc) compressoin zone ( where matter is compressed inward) induction zone ( heated layering of matter) outer core, (where compression fusion is taking place), Inner core (where fission takes place) .  Seeing how gravity is just being gravity, just on a extreme level, I don't see them as simply merging, as they theorize. 

Einstein theorized that gravity , were ripples in spacetime.  I myself would content, that gravitational waves straight waves, that press against spacetime.  There is no ripple to them, no geological formations on the layers, over the grand scale of the millions of our years,, produce ripples in compression formation of structure.  A ripple, would distort gravitational lensing, and it doesn't. 

(Yes other matter moves in through the Ug B/spacetime carried by it, in the Stellar Winds/currents. Down to the subatomic level,  there is a harmony to the Universe, and a natural flow, I saw the harmony, it wasn't until I realized, the flow was gravity. On a Enormous Scale, the Universal Gravitational/Energy  Belt, as that , energy, produced from matter, and antimatter.  That was one of the energetic releases, that came from it, all explosions have them, that one was gravitaional plasma energy, that grows as it expands,, and why,, we stay together, as the palsma expands,, as our Ug B/spacetime, grows even thicker.  This also, lets you know we are still in diapers on the cosmic scale,, because we are still expanding,, and faster each and every second, as we look into space.   It's when that movement slows,, and then stops,, that we will have reached our infinite in existance. )

In Theory Daniel Baxter

[DanielB (OP)]

Pmb: Posted on another thread. 
Question:Sorry. I meant to ask you to define and justify your claim "There are  different types of gravitational forces.  1 hidden one." but somehow it never appeared in my question. Why do you think there are different types of gravitational forces? What are these forces? What is their nature? What is this so-called "hidden" one and if its hidden how do you claim to know about it and nobody else does?


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The reason there are different type of gravitational forces,, are due to their size and strength.  The Ug B/spacetime (universal gravity) would have a different type of force and strength, due to the amount of mass it has.

Gravity, is broken down from the Universal Level, downward, to the planetary level.  It's just how strong, how much mass they hold.   How our solar system rotates,, is a different type of force, than on the galactic scale.

The Hyper (hidden) force,, that is extremely easy.  A force that holds gravity, in a hyper state,, that (will) in time, close in, with the force of Ug B/Spacetime rushing in with it.

If you displace spacetime, ,and then you remove what is keeping space time displaced,, it would rush in and enclose just like water would, to fill that void that was left.  That force ,, would "Newtons third law of force".  Add a external force of Space itself slamming in on it. 

That is the only gravitational force,, Ug S2(Hyper Gravity)  that when a star ends,, Slam Space itself against its core. 

The reason I say I see it and no one else did?   Actually,, Einstein saw it,, Newton saw it,, Many others have seen it.   But in order to absolutely see it.  You have to go back to the beginning ,, in the river of space and see that gravitational field come to life.   (4.5 billion years ago for our star,, 4.3 billion years ago for our planet).

It's like looking at a man,,at the age of 50,, saying  "I can guess how he was as a baby." 

Not as strong and growing,, we know how a baby grows up,, but its' the spark of conception (aka) Gravitational conception for spacetime displacement.

Your taught in school, college, to see the gravitational field,, it's only when you grow it from nothing inside the (river) of Ug B /spacetime,, do you see the bubble that would spread out for spacetime .

(Remember one thing,, a *Theory* is not scientific fact.   And asking for *Immediate* proof, shows a lack of understanding of what a Theory is.   Otherwise,, I would have slapped someones face,, and said,, HEY,, HERE IS A FACT, now put it in your books.

But ,, as a Theory,, what I have layed down,, and written,, stays with in the realms of Quantum Mechanics, in Observation.  And would explain,, quite a few things.

I thank you for your inquiry Pmb.   Remember,, a Theory is not Scientific fact,,, *yet* 

Gravity's Nature, is simple,, it's constant and has direction and brings matter together.     It is designed to do one thing,, It's the mixing pot, it's the safety net.  Gravity is our home, we live in it.  Gravity is the structure of the Cosmos.  Ug B/ Spacetime.

[DanielB (OP)]

When it comes to Gravity in reference to a Ug S1 and Ug S2

Gravity is always the same in its formation at the beginning of Solar events.  Gravity with mass, form the clouds into place, compressing and heating as they do.   Gravity ,, does not expand out ,, in (estimation of what it's nuclear force would be when it's generated) It does however react, and expand, and enclose it.

It would be like our earth,, having a gravitational field,, and then BOOOM,, Nuclear fusion would press our gravitational field outward,, into a Hyper state.

This is why Ug S1  = which when the fuel runs out,, will let gravity move in and cause a white dwarf,, due to the size of our star/sun. Those like them.

But in Ug S2 = those ,, with vast amounts of energy and force pressed away from it's mass, of the beginning of its creation.  You now see how those,, gravitational fields,, (HAVE) to be pushed back further, with the nuclear fusion.  The gravitational energy, was set for only the heated mass of the clouds.  When nuclear fusion pushes them outward.   Would it cause a gravitational force to move?  Of course it would,, otherwise, the star would explode.    That doesnt come till later billions of years later, when gravity,, will finally win.  And spacetime can rush in behind it. 

This creates, your Neutron stars,, black holes, magnatoids,, just the really cool and fun stuff . 

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If you compress hydrogen gas, as it collects, gravity causes it,, compresses as it pulls all matter together, this gravitational field, would only be around the gases.  It does not move outward,, and guess or estimate how much force Nuclear Fusion will do.   The gravitational field, would react to the force of fusion and contain it, as it does.    Nothing more, but nothing less either.  This causes,, the Hyper reaction.

If it does not happen this exact way,, then a star would never form. But that would be the transitional force of the stars nuclear fusion, to the gravitational field of containment. 

[Pmb]

The reason there are different type of gravitational forces,, are due to their size and strength.

That is an invalid reason for claiming that there are different types of forces since different “types of gravitational force” has no relationship to different sizes or strengths. BTW – there is no difference between the term “size” and “strength” of a gravitational field since they’re used as synonyms. In reality no physicist ever uses the qualifier “size” when referring to a gravitational field.

The Ug B/spacetime (universal gravity) would have a different type of force and strength, due to the amount of mass it has.

What’s the “B” supposed to mean? There’s no reason to start creating your own terminology. It only serves to confuse the subject.

Gravity, is broken down from the Universal Level, downward, to the planetary level.  It's just how strong, how much mass they hold.   How our solar system rotates,, is a different type of force, than on the galactic scale.

Nonsense.

The Hyper (hidden) force,, that is extremely easy.  A force that holds gravity, in a hyper state,, that (will) in time, close in, with the force of Ug B/Spacetime rushing in with it.

More nonsense.

If you displace spacetime, ,

Meaningless. There’s no such thing as “displacing spacetime.”
 

(Remember one thing,, a *Theory* is not scientific fact.

You’re misusing the term “theory.” When someone says “This theory is a scientific fact” it means that there is a massive amount of experimental data confirming the theory and none contradicting it. Please look up the term “theory” in a dictionary.

I strongly recommend that you actually learn general relativity before you attempt to make another claim that it’s wrong. I also recommend that you read
http://home.comcast.net/~peter.m.brown/ref/philosophy_physics.pdf
You have a long way to go before you’d be able to make a legitimate statement about the correctness of general relativity. You first need to learn it and learn physics and what a theory is.

[DanielB (OP)]

Pmb ,,since you seem to be the all knowing God of physics,, Please demonstrate your superior intelligence,,, and explain to me what is REALLY happening inside of a star, when it forms a black hole?  And please explain,, the true compression forces,, that would be at work.  See,, Solar formation of stars are all the same, just depends on how large they get. 

As far as the Ug B  The *B* represents the belt,, See if I used gravitational wave,, I would be wrong,, in Theory there is no wave.  Just a constant force. 

You say there is no different level of gravitational forces?  Really I mean,, the gravity that keeps our solar system rotating, and I mean on the level of the solar system.  Surly you don't mean that amount of force is the same amount of force, that keeps our galaxy rotating?  Oh, that's right, you dont believe you can break gravity down by level and strength.  Your right, we should say all gravitational fields are the same in size and force.   A star's gravity would be the same as our earths,, no need to classify it's field from planetary fields.  (facepalm,, really?) 

YOU actually said this.

More nonsense.
Quote from: DanielB
If you displace spacetime, ,
Meaningless. There’s no such thing as “displacing spacetime.”

(Right here,, is where you and I do not need to continue our conversation.,, due to one thing Pmb)  I don't have the time it would take to give you a proper education in Physics,, or explain GR to you. 

See Einstein called it distorting space time,, but since all gravitational fields come from inside of his spacetime and then form,,they displace.  But to you,, its just all as you refered to it Non-sense,, and I no longer have time for your Nonsense..  Learn Physics before you try to be everyones Instructor in it. 


I do like your recommendation I learn Physic's.  My question would be,, who taught you?  No spacetime really dude?  You blew that one right out your ,, black hole. 

[Pmb]

Pmb ,,since you seem to be the all knowing God of physics,,

You don't need to start insulting me. If you are unable to take criticism of you ideas then you shouldn't post them.
And I will not respond to such insulting, arrogant comments like this from hereon in.

And everything I said is well known to any physicist. Nobody has to be physics guru or physics god to know how wrong you are and how many mistakes you made.

[DanielB (OP)]

Pmb ,,since you seem to be the all knowing God of physics,,

You don't need to start insulting me. If you are unable to take criticism of you ideas then you shouldn't post them.
And I will not respond to such insulting, arrogant comments like this from hereon in.

And everything I said is well known to any physicist. Nobody has to be physics guru or physics god to know how wrong you are and how many mistakes you made.

I didnt insult you,, I merely returned your comments back to you.  Either learn to have a intelligent discussion, where you articulate, yourself clearly,, other than posting,

It's just Nonsense.  (which is insulting , since you state nothing viable back). 

And I welcome you,, to point out the first mistake, and how it would need to be in order to make my theory a scientific fact.  Because, that is your implication, that you know the true way of how it is done..  But your right,, you and I are allowed to disagree.  That's the beauty of life.  And you and I probably do not need to speak to each other further.  And as you said,, if you do not like someone speaking to you ,, in the same manner that you speak to them,, then maybe your the one,, that shouldn't be speaking.
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Pmb these are your comments,,
Meaningless. There’s no such thing as “displacing spacetime.”
Nonsense
More Nonsense

((Yes you see it to,, not one thing other than that,, which is Insulting so don't take it personally how I responded back))

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You have a great day Pmb

[DanielB (OP)]

If you take venus,, composed of basically the same material of earth, down to the iron core. Now venus,, takes 241 days to rotate one time, so it's magnetic field is very weak, and has no atmosphere.

Compared to earth,, that rotates once every 24 hours. Yet,, both,, have a gravitational field. Earths gravitational field. 9.8 ,, venus,, 8.6 the difference would be,, 14.5 that you get from the earths atmosphere pressure.

This would not be enough to hold you against the earths centrifugal force, would sling you off. But what holds us down,, against the earth. It has nothing to do with the rotation. The rotation and earths iron core,, are for one thing only. It's to produce a magnetic field to protect us.

Gravitational fields are for one thing,, pulling in matter, to get bigger,, it wants to create. So what about the gravitational waves,, all over..

Unseen, unable to verify their existence. But we do know gravitational fields are relatively weak by design. So what would keep us on the earth then?

Spacetime, See when Einstein, came up with General Relativity, he was more on than Newton. Newton,, did discover,, and is right on Gravity. But,, here is where it kind of takes a sideways turn.

Now Venus has basically no rotation. So,, why would it have a gravity.

Gravity,, has to be created by something,, what do all spherical objects have in common, that would produce this. We see no evidence of gravitational waves,, nothing that shows,, they constantly are overlapping. So we know its not from the gravitational field by itself. The reason I say by it's self,, is this.

Spacetime............

Spacetime , when the gravitational field,,was set out,, along with Mass. It displaces spacetime,, this causes it to press back against the gravitational field. And applies pressure to it. This is why gravity is constant, and every where. With no lines appearing in any geological formation,, and why there is no reaction to any metal, dirt, or sand,, that a gravitational (wave) would show.

Einstein says, a gravitational waves, is a ripple in space time. But if he would have had the Hubble telescope,, he would have went on to say. Spacetime and gravity,, both,, work together to keep us on the earth. The displacement envelopes earth,, this produces the pressure against the gravitational field,, and that is where gravity comes from. No lines,, no ripples, Its a constant force.

In order for us to be kept against the earth,, while its centrifugal force attempts to sling us off of it's surface,, the Pressure of Spacetime against the gravitational force of the earth, along with the displacment,, Produce the gravitational effect of our world.

You can view every object,, and only the one's,, that displace spacetime will have the gravitational field. Spacetime pressure,, is what holds you down to the earth.

This would mean,, that gravitrons,, are more free flowing in spacetime, at what I myself consider, the Universal gravity belt/Spacetime, after all everything in spacetime are charged,, with energy,, that would be in my opinion the gravitron,, Every peice of dust,, would have that energy to start forming.

Being Born in spacetime, yes, the gravity would pull,, but spacetime, itself,, causes the gravity,, with its pressure.



http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/other-shows/videos/how-the-universe-works-the-power-of-dust.htm

Sometimes,, you have to look at every planet, star, moon, to see whats really happening , through observation of the quantum mechanics. 

Yes I will gladly debate and discuss any of this.  All based on,, General Relativity of Einstein and Newton. 

New before you say, its not,, you weren't taught that way,, Tell me,, why,, spacetime wouldnt act as a pressure , remember,, born in spacetime to a gravitational field, to a magnetic field, to growth, for Enclosed spacetime pressure, with the gravitational wave, to the pressure system it creates.

[DanielB (OP)]

If you look at what it takes to lose the gravitational field,, you only have to look at Saturn,, the moon/moons, that they feel were broke up,, due to impact.  Scattered as dust and debris on it's rings.   

This would mean the only way to lose your gravitational field,, again,, view venus.   No rotation,, yet a field,, would be the only way, to lose it,, would be in loss of matter.   Spacetime would hold it,, the impact happens,, the planet deforms,, so does the gravitational field,, spacetime rushes in,, due to its small size,, turns and compresses, and poof,, dust and debris. 

Its all about the spacetime. 

The only way to truly understand gravity,, is you have to go back,, to the 4.3 billion years ago,, as our earths gravitational field was forming.  To see it,, to understand how it came together.  If you don't, then your only trying to figure out ,   why,, instead of how.  It's in that how,, that gives you ,, the why.

[DanielB (OP)]

Gravitational experiment through observation.

1.  remove earths iron core.  (no magnetic field, yet would have gravity.)
same as the moon.

2.  remove all rotation  (a weak magnetic field, yet would have gravity.)

3.  Change the entire composition to another matter,  gas.  (yes would still have gravity).

4.  Add matter to the earth,, (that just increases the amount of gravity and pressure against spacetime, making us heavier.)


So we know,, its not rotation,, we know its not what type of matter it is.  In comparison to everything that we know ,, the only (COMMON) factor they actually have,, are the fact they displace spacetime. 

Logic, would indicate,, the applied force of gravity to be in yes,, spacetime itself, and all it does,, is apply pressure due to its displacement.   Submerged in spacetime,, it's why it doesn't distort it,, but more like a submarine than a ship.  Full displacement. 

(Gravity,, definately is only due to mass,, therefore as Einstein theorized,, displacement of spacetime)

It's when you combine,, Newton,, and Einstein,, that the gravitational force,, is strong enough to hold us onto the earth.

It goes up in scale,,  earth,, sun,, solar system, its rotating at 500,000 mph,, that means,, rotating matter inside of rotating matter,  each one,, putting off that gravitational wave,, pressing against it's own section of spacetime.

Gravity born within (spacetime) such as planetary, lunar, and solar. Spherical matter, that groups within spacetime, to where it displaces,, has a stronger gravitational effect, vs. Solar systems gravity, or even the galaxy's,, since while it will enclose space time around it. And not displace it.

[Cthetruth]

That is so clear the way you explained it.  I think you just explained gravity .

[DanielB (OP)]

Gravity by Newton, is only complete, when you combine it with Einsteins space time.   Spacetime more accurately explains the interaction of the planetary and stellar forces. 

Which does lead to our moon, and earths spacetime,, being more of a pressure between them, as it would increase the pressure and flow of spacetime between them.  I could see the pressure, reacting on our oceans,, in the same manner of tidal forces.  But it would be more of a push with the finger of the moons own signature against our spacetime/gravitational wall.   

It would do the exact same effect, just in a push of spacetime pressure,, vs.  a gravity wave from the moon.  But the same result.  Just in thought  Gravity when you see it,, leads to the wonders of it's behavior now coming in with clarity. 

[Cthetruth]

How does gravity make hyper gravity ?

[DanielB (OP)]

Gravity, can't really create hyper gravity.   Hyper gravity,, is a state caused by spacetime itself. 

It would only be done in the presence of star's with them containing, nuclear fusion. 

To give you a comparison,, of how Hyper gravity is induced by space time.   You have to picture a ball on a string under water.  The water is all around it,, the same way spacetime is around the star.   If you pull on the ball under water, as the ball moves down, so would the water, it would create a instant vacuum on the water above it. 

Now in spacetime,, it would already be everywhere and all around the star.  But what you have to remember, is when the star started out,, it was only clouds of gas, and then compressed,, gravity was set at that time,, just for the gas cloud,core.  Gravity,, didnt jump out,, hundreds of thousands of miles away from that cloud in anticipation that it was about to create Nuclear forces.   It was only there in spacetime, around the gas, and its core.  Displacing that amount of spacetime, per it's size and density then.  When Nuclear fusion started,, it blew that gravity way out,, and gravity,, was stretched ,, containing it.    But it then displaced even More spacetime.


So when the fuel runs out,, and gravity goes to close in.   While gravity would be going in, spacetime, would be the force, that would press against the gravity,, and causing it's to compress, Faster, Harder ,, and instantly.   All driving down on the matter towards the core.   

This would cause gravity, with the applied force of spacetime enclosing in all around,, to go into a hyper state, due to compression.  You only have to look at the law of Inertia.

Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion (including a change in direction). In other words, it is the tendency of objects to keep moving in a straight line at constant linear velocity. The principle of inertia is one of the fundamental principles of classical physics that are used to describe the motion of objects and how they are affected by applied forces.

This would make gravity, come in full compression with space time rushing in.  Turning it to a spin top,, those gravitational forces, would be wound down like a spring, instantly.  (spacetime rushing in , that fast, would be exceeding the speed of light, any matter, that would on the edges in the vacuum, would move with it.  that would be matter exceeding the speed of light, a vacuum force, carries mater with it.) 

The star is already spinning in motion, held by spacetime, all that applied compression force, from spacetime, pressed against gravity,, which is constant and has a directional affect of rotation.  Would be passed right into the core itself.  This is where the force, either,, due to the amount of spacetime that was origanlly displaced,, to move in.   The laws of inertia would allow the core to accelerate to speeds we could not really estimate when it first happens.   The very force of the Universe, closing in of spacetime,, how would you truly ever measure that amount of applied force. 

One measure of spacetime force,, causes Neutron stars.

Another measure of a greater displacement,, would cause greater forces, you have black holes.

I hope that explains how Gravity,, is turned into a Hyper gravity, with the force of applied spacetime. 

[Pmb]

How does gravity make hyper gravity ?

Hyper gravity is simply the state where the force of gravity is greater than the force of gravity at the earth's surface. Sol if you were to sit in a rocket accelerating at a rate of 2 g's then you'd be experiencing hyper gravity. The gravitational field of any of the gas giants has hyper gravity.

[Pmb]

Gravity, can't really create hyper gravity.   Hyper gravity,, is a state caused by spacetime itself. 

Hi flamer - You need to pick up a physics book sometime and start reading. Start here to see why this last post of yours is so wrong - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergravity

[DanielB (OP)]

ROFLMAO.    OMG,, you really crack me up Pmb ,, (Wipes the tears off my eyes from laughing, your just so funny,, and tell the greatest jokes).

All you can say,, is I used the word hypergravity because it's in a wiki dictionary, already under another word?

Really? 

As for calling me a flamer, (which is as rude of a insult as you can call a person in my opinion).  I recommend you stop your insults.  Just because you cannot comprehend spacetime being displaced and it having an affect on our gravity. 

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Takes Pmb into the class room and points to the chalk board saying.

If a chalk board was spacetime,, if I draw a circle in it,, it would represent a planet,, you have just displaced, spacetime.  Since space,, with stellar winds,, current, and laws of motion,, act and react as those of liquid.  It would have these properties.    *Even if you cannot think of gravitational fields adding to boyancy, in spacetime, even if all that is just so wrong,, it cannot be done,,,,,so just say ,, half right,, the displacement is still done.   But, the thing is,, it is right.  And spacetime would produce a pressure against our gravitational field,, 


The same way it does on the star's,,,  But Gravity, didnt jump out hundreds of thousands of miles up to in some  billions of miles,, in predicted anticipation of nuclear forces that it would have to contain.   



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In fluid mechanics, displacement occurs when an object is immersed in a fluid, pushing it out of the way and taking its place. The volume of the fluid displaced can then be measured, and from this the volume of the immersed object can be deduced (the volume of the immersed object will be exactly equal to the volume of the displaced fluid).

An object that sinks displaces an amount of fluid equal to the object's volume. Thus buoyancy is expressed through Archimedes' principle, which states that the weight of the object is reduced by its volume multiplied by the density of the fluid. If the weight of the object is less than this displaced quantity, the object floats; if more, it sinks. The amount of fluid displaced is directly related (via Archimedes' Principle) to its weight.

In the case of an object that sinks (is totally submerged), the volume of the object is displaced. In the case of an object that floats, the amount of fluid displaced will be equal in weight to the displacing object.

Class is dismissed Pmb.

[DanielB (OP)]

You know the more I think of it Pmb,, and I do mean the more I think of it,,  Just once, I want you to show me,, where you actually do something other than run your mouth.  And insult and call names.

I keep  thinking of you calling me a flamer,  If you were in front of me,  and I would be willing to bet my paycheck,, that you wouldn't have enough testosterone to look me in the eye's and call me that.   Because,, scientifically.   According to the Law's of applied force of Newton's,, that amount of Kinetic energy released, from 240lbs of matter, added with (hyper) forward motion, would be transferred to a object standing still.  This would cause that object to then, be feel the transfer of energy,, and thusly be propelled backwards.  Now when that energy is transferred,, the coldness,, and I mean that cold feeling,,would be when you look over your shoulder,, and realize it would be the floor.    See, I do understand physics.   and so would you. 

[Pmb]

I have nothing to prove to ignorant trolls like you. And if you wanted to see what I know then search the forum. I won't discuss anything like you. You don't understand physics well enough to be able to understand what I'd be writing.

For example: You don't demonstrate enough knowledge to know what is contained here
http://home.comcast.net/~peter.m.brown/sr/sr.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~peter.m.brown/gr/gr.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~peter.m.brown/math_phy/math_phy.htm

Now, go away troll.

[Pmb]

Even the name of this thread tells how wrong it is. Spacetime exists in the absence of gravity but gravity cannot exist in the absence of spacetime. If you chose to study physics and GR before you made started threads like this then you wouldn't keep making these mistakes.