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Title: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: neilep on 16/12/2019 13:40:24
Dearest Fireologists,

As a sheepy I of course know almost everything there is to know but one thing that eludes me is whether fire can have a shadow !

look , here's some fire being all firey !!

(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1peJGdc-qkoJzskXGrO3dLos2ehCYtzR0)
Fire Being All Firey Yesterday

As ewe can see, ewe can not see through it, so, if I was to shine a big enough torch at it would it make a shadow on the other side ? i'm curious because i can't see through it yet it's a source of light !!

whajafink ?

Can A Fire Have A Shadow ?

Hugs and shmishes

mwah mwah !!

Neil
"This girl is on fire !
OUCH Oooh OUCH !!"
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: Halc on 16/12/2019 13:49:45
Fire very much does block some light as it consists of glowing particles in part.  Other light gets deflected by the heat, but that effect will not produce a crisp shadow.

So put a spotlight to the side of a fire and it will indeed cast a shadow on a wall on the opposite side.
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: neilep on 16/12/2019 14:17:03
Fire very much does block some light as it consists of glowing particles in part.  Other light gets deflected by the heat, but that effect will not produce a crisp shadow.

So put a spotlight to the side of a fire and it will indeed cast a shadow on a wall on the opposite side.


This is very interesting.....next time I flambe  I will check for shadows  ;)
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/12/2019 19:31:43
In the right conditions you can analyse what's in the flame by looking at the shadow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_absorption_spectroscopy#Flame_atomizers
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: chris on 16/12/2019 22:47:22
Hi Neil

We did this kitchen science experiment on dark flames (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/get-naked/experiments/dark-flames) on the radio show; it deals with some aspects of your query.

We also did this experiment to show CO2 casting a shadow (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/get-naked/experiments/seeing-invisible) owing to the effects of refraction. This is also relevant to the question you are asking.
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: neilep on 18/12/2019 16:40:17
In the right conditions you can analyse what's in the flame by looking at the shadow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_absorption_spectroscopy#Flame_atomizers

That is fascinating, thanks BC.
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: neilep on 18/12/2019 16:42:28
Hi Neil

We did this kitchen science experiment on dark flames (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/get-naked/experiments/dark-flames) on the radio show; it deals with some aspects of your query.

We also did this experiment to show CO2 casting a shadow (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/get-naked/experiments/seeing-invisible) owing to the effects of refraction. This is also relevant to the question you are asking.

Hi Chris,

Outstanding. Thank you very much. Love the kitchen science and CO2. Great stuff.

Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
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Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: Colin2B on 23/12/2019 11:01:32
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Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 26/12/2019 06:24:01
Here is another demonstration of black fire I found in YT.
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/12/2019 13:25:06
That guy is mainly wrong.
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 05/01/2020 08:30:04
That guy is mainly wrong.

Which part he gets it wrong? What's the right explanation?
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: dizka on 07/01/2020 11:10:29
Is there a shadow without light?
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 08/01/2020 03:19:27
Is there a shadow without light?
no
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 09/01/2020 18:03:18
So soot basically ?
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: Callumbryne on 18/02/2020 10:30:12
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Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: Colin2B on 18/02/2020 12:09:21
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Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: Karen W. on 26/02/2020 04:22:27
Great question and great experiments Chris...Thank you guys...
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: simplex on 29/02/2020 20:41:35
The fire is a mixture of atoms and ions that emits light but like any gas can also absorb light and so a fire casts a visible shadow especially if it is illuminated with a source of light that emits a color or colors that are well absorbed by the ionized gas called fire.
Title: Re: Can fire cast a shadow?
Post by: LILJumbo on 27/03/2020 12:26:54
In the upper layers of the emitted gas, soot is created, and it can cast a shadow.