[duffyd]

the expectation that it will wake up is not so much a belief as an informed understanding, based on the same science that says there is a universe.

What science is that? Many who are not scientists believe there is a universe. What does "wake up" mean?

[duffyd]

I am so much smarter than you.

200 years after what, Al? Since you don't know and because you run away when asked, you really don't have any reason to expect I will interact with you.

[CliveG]

Are you serious? If so, why do you read a book you are so opposed to?

I'm not opposed to it, only to idiotic misinterpretations and cynical misrepresentations of it. The King James version contains some of the best English ever written. Just  like Shakespeare, the historical sequence is believable if a bit "curated" (to be polite)  but I wouldn't base my life on Revelations or a Midsummer Night's Dream, and it's full of useful quotations.

Okay. Now I am intrigued. Give me a few examples, including some useful quotations.

[duffyd]

To summarize, over the last little while, opponents of GOD have added nothing to prove their case. They cannot answer the easiest questions. They don't know when the N.T. was written, what it was concerned with, who JESUS is, what was written about Him, or why. Alan came into this discussion overly confident, bragging boisterously how much he knew about Christ and the N.T. and ever since has hidden behind his mommy's skirt, terrified to come out and debate like an adult. Kerosene has no clue and is a blithering, proud, total non-factor. They spam and run. And this is a forum that stresses science, the scientific method, reviewed published data, and intelligent, informed sharing. If anyone has information to consider for debate in an adult fashion, please join me. You are warmly invited to participate. I realize I am blessed with a number of advantages, but, I still enjoy a serious effort, if you care to make an all out attempt to  challenge my superiority. I see no harm in educating you for free. (Although my time is priceless.) Sally-forth. Stiff upper lip. May the best man, yours truly, continue to devastate all-comers.

[Bored chemist]

What does "wake up" mean?

Gain, or regain consciousness.

[duffyd]

Are you serious? If so, why do you read a book you are so opposed to?

I'm not opposed to it, only to idiotic misinterpretations and cynical misrepresentations of it. The King James version contains some of the best English ever written. Just  like Shakespeare, the historical sequence is believable if a bit "curated" (to be polite)  but I wouldn't base my life on Revelations or a Midsummer Night's Dream, and it's full of useful quotations.

Okay. Now I am intrigued. Give me a few examples, including some useful quotations.

Have you seen Usain Bolt race? He can't compete with Sweet Old Al. No one in history can approach his escape velocity. Defies standard physics models.

[Bored chemist]

They don't know when the N.T. was written

Yes we do.
Summer 325 AD.

It has also been rewritten several times since, perhaps most famously, the King James version.

But those a re historical facts and will not influence Duffy, who will ignore them and go on to say something irrelevant and/ or insulting while still making this laughable claim:

I am so much smarter than you.

To summarize, over the last little while, opponents of GOD have added nothing to prove their case.

Nor, of course, have you. You have't even met the criteria for evidence., never mind proof.
The difference is that only one side needs to.
The burden of proof is on you, and you haven't got close.

[Bored chemist]

Are you serious? If so, why do you read a book you are so opposed to?

I'm not opposed to it, only to idiotic misinterpretations and cynical misrepresentations of it. The King James version contains some of the best English ever written. Just  like Shakespeare, the historical sequence is believable if a bit "curated" (to be polite)  but I wouldn't base my life on Revelations or a Midsummer Night's Dream, and it's full of useful quotations.

Okay. Now I am intrigued. Give me a few examples, including some useful quotations.

Have you seen Usain Bolt race? He can't compete with Sweet Old Al. No one in history can approach his escape velocity. Defies standard physics models.

Do you realise that your post is not actually, in any way, related to the text you quoted?
It's a complete non sequitur.

Not something that we would get if you were anything like as bright as you think you are.
More what I'd expect from a troll.

[CliveG]

@BC
On the BBC a lady explained why cloths mask for all work. She said that it stops those who are asymptomatic from coughing droplets. Droplets and aerosols that might land of surfaces or be inhaled. And if another is wearing a mask then there is a further reduction in the viral load. In other words, person A speaks and the viral load is reduced 6 fold. Person B breathes in and there is a further 6 fold reduction. That is 36 fold, is it? That equates to a 97 % effective single mask. Here is a reference.

Are you going to admit that both you (and the USA and UK) are wrong? And that this has led to deaths that may have been prevented?

https://masks4all.co/

“Much of Central Europe is now following the example set by China, Taiwan and South Korea. On [March 30th], Austria mandated its citizens wear masks when outside the home, after the Czech, Slovak and Bosnian governments issued similar orders.”
–Wall Street Journal

“Wearing a simple cloth mask, decreases the spread of the virus by 80%! Czech Republic has made it OBLIGATORY for its citizens to wear a mask in public.”  –Prime Minister of the Czech Republic

[CliveG]

@BC
It was said that the covid pandemic was not making much impact on reducing the population.

The BBC stats office is saying that instead of an expected 10,000 deaths they are getting 18,000 deaths. And that it is likely that some of the 10,000 also includes covid deaths. Covid is definitely increasing global deaths directly.

Looking at John Hopkins site we have 2,499,000 cases and 171,000 which is 2.8 % for the world. The US is 788,000 cases and 42,000 deaths (nearest 1,000) which is 5.3 %. You were saying that the figure is less that 1%. Once more I think you need to rethink.

Some scientists are thinking we will never get rid of covid as it has spread too far.

[Bored chemist]

That is 36 fold, is it? That equates to a 97 % effective single mask. Here is a reference.

No.
For three reasons. One is in the page you cited. Perhaps you should have read it.
But they are to do with science so I won't bother to explain them. You would just ignore them anyway.

Are you going to admit that both you (and the USA and UK) are wrong?

So, what did I say about masks that was wrong?
(please remember that the world has moved on in the meantime)

Looking at John Hopkins site we have 2,499,000 cases and 171,000 which is 2.8 % for the world. The US is 788,000 cases and 42,000 deaths (nearest 1,000) which is 5.3 %. You were saying that the figure is less that 1%.

42000 deaths out of 300,000,000 people
That's the percentage I was talking about, and it's (much) less than 1%. (Obviously, it's still rising- you simple can't tell it I was right or wrong yet)

Also, I was saying that some time ago. I'm not the one who claims to be clairvoyant.
Evidence changes.
Even if you had been right about the percentages, all you would be saying is that things change.

Well, that's the thing about science.
When the evidence changes, the belief changes.
That's what sets it aside from stupid things like religion.

[alancalverd]

Okay. Now I am intrigued. Give me a few examples, including some useful quotations.

The plots of Shakespeare's historical plays stick fairly close to the generally accepted lineage and accomplishments of kings and queens, and whilst Caesar's assassination and the battle of Agincourt were probably a lot messier and less theatrical, they certainly happened. You will probably have read or seen Romeo and Juliet more than once, and as my English teacher said "It's just a load of quotations" so I won't bother to repeat them here.

As far as the bible is concerned, it's almost certain that a bunch of slaves escaped from Egypt and established an agrarian monotheistic society to the north, with a substantial written constitution. It's certain that they were occupied by the not-entirely-friendly Romans who used crucifixion for public execution. Useful quotations are generally taken from the poetic and succinct King James version, and almost anything  from the Ten Commandments to the four horsemen of the apocalypse has turned out to be a very bon mot at some time.

John 11:35 is apposite at moments of frustration, such as this. 

[alancalverd]

In other words, person A speaks and the viral load is reduced 6 fold. Person B breathes in and there is a further 6 fold reduction.

Probably not. Almost any mask will reduce the velocity and hence spread of exhaled droplets, which is why we wear surgical masks in operating theaters, but you need a fully fitted HEPA filter to significantly reduce inhalation of aerosols. Even if your surgical or cloth mask is saturated, it slows down the exhalate, but a saturated cloth mask is a very efficient source of inhaled bugs, HEPA less so.

Where COVID contact tracing has been assiduous, "rule of fifths" seems to apply. You can assume 100% infection between unprotected close contacts. 20% will develop symptoms requiring hospital treatment, and 20% of those will die, whatever you do. This gives you a probable 4% fatality rate if you do nothing to prevent infection but treat all cases optimally. We can use these findings to model other scenarios. At the ends of the scale, 100% immediate lockdown for 3 - 5 weeks will pretty well eliminate the disease; no lockdown and no treatment will eventually result in about 20% fatalities. 

[alancalverd]

many physicists now consider our universe to be just one bubble among a vast number of other universes.

Really? The multiverse is surely a mathematical tool for prediction, not a physical entity.

[CliveG]

many physicists now consider our universe to be just one bubble among a vast number of other universes.

Really? The multiverse is surely a mathematical tool for prediction, not a physical entity.

Agreed. 

[CliveG]

In other words, person A speaks and the viral load is reduced 6 fold. Person B breathes in and there is a further 6 fold reduction.

Probably not. Almost any mask will reduce the velocity and hence spread of exhaled droplets, which is why we wear surgical masks in operating theaters, but you need a fully fitted HEPA filter to significantly reduce inhalation of aerosols. Even if your surgical or cloth mask is saturated, it slows down the exhalate, but a saturated cloth mask is a very efficient source of inhaled bugs, HEPA less so.

Change and wash the cloths masks frequently. The multiple folds are more efficient at stopping and capturing droplets and aerosols. But everyone should be wearing one.

[Bored chemist]

You will probably have read or seen Romeo and Juliet more than once, and as my English teacher said "It's just a load of quotations" so I won't bother to repeat them here.

I thought the honour of being the play made entirely of quotes was Macbeth.
It certainly contains the one I found amusingly useful in exams.
Act 2 Scene 5 line 28

"I can not do this bloody thing".
My favourite bit of the KJV  is "jot and tittle" because people think it sounds rude.
(And also because that's the bit where Jesus says that the OT still stands as biblical law. A fact that annoys apologists for Christianity)

[alancalverd]

You jest, curmudgeonly alchemist!
Yon Scottish king hath but four scenes to his second Act.
Art thou forger, knave or wit? Or is this witchcraft most foul upon the moor?
Be sure thou shalt not fly o'er this fen - Begone!
                                                                                 Exit, pursued by a ravishing maiden.

[Bored chemist]

Art thou forger, knave or wit?

Wit.

[CliveG]

Art thou forger, knave or wit?

Wit.

Wannabe Wit, methinks.