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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 17/07/2017 13:12:05 »

Hmm, Ginger seems not to be effective for my Pois. I tried 3 times. I took 1g 30 min before and I didn't feel anything.

Maybe try take it closer to your time of O. I have actually found ginger does help reduce my symptoms though I have been too chicken yet to take it on its own. I take it on conjunction with diphenhydramine hydrochloride tablet which was helping me to reduce pois.  When I first tried ginger I was not that impressed. I then tried some organic ginger from the farmers market and it was then that I noticed the difference. The ginger was hot. I grate it into boiling water to make a tea. I could not tell the weight but its probably a heaped table spoon worth. I have also noticed the closer to the O I take it the better, which was what a lot of guys said about Niacin. I tried taking ginger tea 1/2 hr before I had sex and I was hit with pois worse than previously when I experimented with it 10-5 mins prior. I find when it comes to therapeutic herbal supplements there can be a lot of variation in quality (the % of the active constituents in the herb).

The theory from a few here is that ginger is working because it is anti-inflammatory. If that was the key to its benefit then something like fish oil, krill oil, calamari oil or tumeric would also have noticeable benefit, but I cant recall anyone on here raving about those supplements.

I guess it doesn't matter that ginger is not working for you since Taurine is working really well for you. As long as sufferers here find something that works at least 75% and its not too expensive then its a win. Taurine does not make much difference for me, though in theory its a great supplement. It helped my digestion a little and maybe that was its effect on bile production, but I was hoping for a bigger impact on brain fog.Tyrosine also did not do anything for me and I took that because of it being key input into the production of dopamine. Mucuna Puriens was great but again I had patchy results due to variable quality herb. When I got decent stuff I found I had to cycle it as I developed tolerance really quick (2 days) but that definitely boosted my dopamine levels.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 18/04/2017 09:37:36 »

So, according to this principle, in order to kill pois do as follows;

Take some antiinflammatory stuff: niacin ( i believe its antiinflammatory?) or ginger (or try some other potent antiinflammatory stuff), on an empty stomach before an O.
That is: Antiinflammatory on an empty stomach before O.

It might not necessarily be an anti inflammatory effect. Its frustrating that a number of people are finding different supplements or meds to help them and they work on different biochemistry. I have had some success with anti histamines like a couple of others. Ginger acts as an anti-histamine. It also acts as an anti parasitic herb.

I also have improvement (but not cure) with a limited diet - pretty much a paleo diet. Numerous pois sufferers on here have reported improvement from doing a diet that treats candida and or garlic. I also have less symptoms when I take high dose Vit B3 but not the flush version but niacinamide version...but only for a few weeks then I have to have a break then go back on it. I tried the flush version but was disappointed compared to some others on here who raved over it curing them or at least dramatically lessening their symptoms. I was diagnosed as an under methylator so for me, something like high dose niacin is theoretically is not an ideal supplement as it reduces methylation.

I have bad brain fog and decided to try the niacinamide version as there has been success with that treating dementia sufferers. It also happens to be a great anti fungal. I have issues with parasites, amoeba type and flukes, which I am struggling to eradicate (so hard to find a savvy doctor on parasites). For me its quite possible that they are the cause of my pois. Not directly but maybe as a side effect of their impact on my body..like malabsorption, but there really is no direct link to parasite infection and an orgasm that I know of. I have also much less pois during period when I was on a anti-parasite drug and had excellent health, but it wore off after a month alas. I have tried raw ginger & garlic as its recommended for blasto, but cant say it has helped my pois to a significant extent (maybe a little bit though). Its hard going though as I feel worse on it...which may be strictly due to parasite die off. Parasites also cause inflammation.

I have not seen parasites mentioned here much as a possible cause of pois with others, but it might be a factor for some, given that quite a few people feel improvement on strict no sugar no carb diet. I got pois at the same time I started to develop IBS and food intolerances.

The raw ginger could well be working strictly due to its anti inflammatory effect. When I have pois I feel like I have brain inflammation. theoretically something like low dose prendisone or curcumin should also work well for you. There was a post from med student recently who said he got great relief from a corticosteroid drug which backs up the anti-inflammatory theory.  Histamine (allergy response) also causes inflammation, and that might be a prior step back in the reaction. Have you tried Benadryl?  Given raw ginger is working for you at 100% you struck gold, so no need to go looking anymore, but I'd be curious to see if it does.

I like to mention a website that some on here who are still struggling to find a cure (or even just reducing post orgasm symptoms) might find interesting for things to try.
https://selfhacked.com

cheers

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 22/10/2016 01:43:52 »

I should mention something that helps my sleep. I take turmeric capsules and B12 before bed each night and this seems to help my general mental health. But I have found that taking dandelion before bed will allow me to sleep longer through the night. Dandelion is a diuretic and it seems like reducing body water might lessen pressure somewhere in the body. I am now taking it in the morning and at night (about 1/2ml - about 15 -20 drops of tincture).

Interesting that B12 helps you with sleep as its generally known as an energiser supplement. Its an important vitamin for mental health. Some people need to take the methylated sublingual form. Liver is a good source of B12 and that maybe one of the reasons I feel good after eating a meal with it. Dandelion is a diuretic but also known as a blood cleanser tonic herb. I actually feel better with licorice extract which has the opposite effect  - fluid retention at higher doses. A great herb for sleep is hops, but it also has estrogenic properties. If you have not tried melatonin tabs definitely give them a go, and valerian is a good sleep herb. 'Deep' sleep definitely helps with pois recovery

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 18/10/2016 00:41:19 »

I'd be surprised if its a deficiency of amino acids. Quite a few of us do has digestive issues though. My doctor did a urine test looking for amino acid deficiencies since I had a lot of trouble putting on weight and my amino acid profile came out fine...disappointingly, though that does not mean my enzymes are using them properly. I do feel a bit better on tyrosine during the day and tryptophan at night, but I dont think the cause of pois, but help with dopamine & serotonin.

I have food intolerances  so cant take whey, nor egg protein, nor pea protein. I take hemp protein, and eat fish chicken beef & liver. The fact you feel better taking protein after working out, I'm sure lots of gym goers could say the same as it helps with recovery. Someone low in serotonin would get anxiety (not the only cause) so taking in extra amino acids could help with that, especially trytophan. Trytophan does get partially blocked by some of the large amino acids, so a separate supplement taken away from a meal would result in higher levels than say a roast chicken dinner. Trytophan also converts to Niacin in the body by an anzyme.  The problem for some of us may be insufficient key enzymes and not lack of protein.

Magnesium definitely helps me with anxiety and is a worthwhile supplement for poisers. Are we deficient in magnesium or just need more due to pios ramping up anxiety. I suspect its the later and is just treating a symptom rather than a key cause for pois, given that most of the population is supposed to be not getting enough Mg in their diet.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 07/09/2016 08:25:35 »

Still wondering if pois has something to do with serotonin depletion.. since that seems to be sort of an epidemic in our time.. SSRI being one of the most commonly prescribed drugs.. But maybe ssri has been experimented with here.

Niacin and whey (including tryptophan) are supposed to provide serotonin naturally..

With the whey powder you are taking how many mgs of tryptophan are you taking (just curious)? Will you experiment with just tryptophan powder?  Maybe one of the other amino acids is a big deal too. Glycine on empty stomach at night helped me a little with symptoms.
As for ssri's I would not say it is necessarily indicative of serotonin depletion epidemic. Doctors will prescribe ssris for depression regardless if it is caused by nutrient deficiency or hormone imbalance or if you are low in gaba, dopamine, acetyl chloline, endorphines, etc.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 22/06/2016 09:38:50 »

Demo
Is the second part of the 3rd Nord report coming out later in the year?
It is great to have Nord officially document pois and its symptoms, but for us on this forum that info so far is nothing new. Have you been given info on what the MRI scans showed? 
Ultimately though for us, unless the scans can give a clear indication of a weakness/defect that has a proven therapeutic path to treatment that has been used with other conditions showing the same, then its going to be just a stepping stone to more (and not so simple) research needed down the line.

Q - You are on TRT. Do you take HCG as part of that (most docs dont know or care about it)?  What about an anti aromatize inhibitor or are your Est levels well under control?  Just curious

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 22/06/2016 09:24:44 »

Has anyone here tried Happy2's anti-histamine treatment and been disappointed? 
We have one person who has tried it and has replicated his successful results.  The active ingredient in Benedryl was not easy to find in products in my country but I tried a syrup with it in it, and was disappointed. I recently discovered it has much less than 2 Benedryl and also recently discovered Snuzaid is available OTC and has 50mg diphenthydramine in it so will give it another go with that med. Hopefully it does not make me really groggy like some other 1st generation anti-histamines. Second generation anti-histamines like Zertec, Claritone worked well with hay fever days but did nothing for pois.

I wonder why an allergic response to orgasm if that is the case wipes many of us to various degrees for so long (4-5 days) yet a day out in spring pollen weather for a susceptible person  does not wipe them out for anything like that length from a short term exposure. Has anyone here who has had genetic testing done, can confirm if they have mutations in the genes related to DAO production (used to block histamine)?   I see Rocktop a few posts above tried DAO supplement and it did nothing to help him.

Happy2 - did you used to get dark circles around your eyes, photosensitive, skin deterioration/rash or dandruff post O prior to Benedryl/Zyrtec?

I was going down the path of heavy metal detoxing as solution, but it has become difficult. Initially I thought it was helping reduce symptoms somewhat (only when on chelator then I would crash a little off cycle). I am getting bad face eczema/dermatitis when I do now even at low doses of chelator, which is a real shame as it would seem that is quite likely a sign of detox but at the same time who wants to look like they are sunburned all the time.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 18/02/2016 14:18:35 »

....So, to recap, one Claritin and one Zyrtec daily, and exactly 2 benadryls immediately, within 20 seconds or so following orgasm.  NO POIS.  Thanks to the people on this site that gave me so much information about POIS.  I would have never known what it was except for this site.  Like I said, moderators, feel free to contact me.  Thanks to all.

Happy2 I assume you are in the USA. Benadryl is not compounded the same in all countries, so people reading this should be made aware of this. In Nth America it contains Diphenhydramine (key active ingredient) but not in UK or AUS/NZ or some other countries maybe as well.

Do you have any other issues with histamine, like say feeling bad after wine or food allergies or hay fever?  There is a supplement out called DAOsin (contains Diamine Oxidase) which is for histamine intolerance. I have not tired it yet. I avoid foods I am intolerant too and my hayfever is not so bad anymore and a Zyrtec takes care of the few bad days. It is not cheap unfortunately, but this may be an option for some of us.

For me taking Zyrtec or Claratin never remedied POIS, but helped slightly with brain fog. I never experimented with 2 or 3 tabs at a time though. First generation anti histamines would knock me out with sleepiness, but I probably never tried something that had Diphenhydramine in it.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 18/02/2016 13:45:47 »

Hello everyone
     I am very happy to tell you guys how well eggs are helping me against POIS. I started eating eggs after reading Gcrisp post in the naked scientists forum.

I would be curious to know if it was the egg whites or the yolks that were helping you. I have an allergy to eggs so it is not a viable option especially every day. Through experimenting I found it was the whites that were worse for me than the yolks.

Have you ever experimented with supplements of the nutrients that eggs are high in....like biotin, Chloline, B12, etc?

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 18/12/2015 05:46:02 »

In the previous post I pasted link to the video where dr Haley mentions that Gulf War Syndrome was indeed caused by vaccines with mercury given to soldiers. On the mercury boards there are people reporting POIS symptoms and many different hormonal problems in general. Some of them are really rare and weird. They go away with persistent chelation 

I've read up a bit on GWS and did not think Mercury poisoning was the number 1 culprit in their case, but one of numerous toxic substances those soldiers were exposed to at various times. I think its an absolute disgrace how many of those soldiers medical complaints were dismissed and spun back on them (malingerers, mental issues) by the army and its medical teams and would seem the media as well. Soldiers are all loved as heroes (even if they man drones)  in the US but post war triumph, when they are unwell or complaining its a bit of a different story then I gather. At least now their condition is getting recognition but how many damn years and victim case reports and studies did it take!!

I'm surprised the specialists cannot identify the substance in the ex-solders semen that is burning them & their wives/gfs. While someone else here mentions burning sensation as part of pois, that has never been an issue with me.

Anyway Lupe, can I ask what protocol are you following for your mercury detox?
That is fantastic new you are getting noticeable results - especially with your pois. If it was not for pois would you have ever guessed you had metal issues?   

I was first born so would have got the biggest dose of HM from my mother. Given no issues in hair analysis or DMSA challenge urine test I don't think my doctor would prescribe me chelators. My best best would be long term low level detox with alpha lipoic acid + other support supps I'd say.

The American Dental Association - there is no risk to a patients heath what so ever when it comes to mercury fillings. When the dentist removes them, different story...suddenly its now considered a toxic biohazard waste substance has to be disposed of with utmost care in an EPA regulated procedure.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 06/12/2015 23:19:48 »

i have ordered some Glutathione and im gonna try it...

I have read that oral glutathione has poor absorption in the gut. If you don't notice much it maybe be because of this. If so then give NAC a try, which helps build your production of glutathione.
At one stage I had glutathione IV injections from my CFS doctor. I felt so wiped out on them. I would have to lie down in the clinic or backseat of my car afterwards for a couple of hours.I don't know why I had such a bad reaction, but have read of some other people also not reacting well to it.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 06/12/2015 23:02:45 »

Here are my (out of range) results from a heavy metals urine test:
Unprovoked:
Mercury => High Normal
Nickel    => Very High
Lead     =>  Normal
...........

This was something I used to wonder about as well. I had all my mercury amalgams removed many years back and it never made any difference to my POIs. I have also had a provoked heavy metal urine test and I did not score high on any of the toxic metals. It would have been good if I did as it would have given me something concrete to work on, like you now have. Heavy metals did not show up in my hair analysis except for titanium which was really high (likely from teflon frypans which I dont use anymore).

Given what I have read up about the chemical cascade that takes place during orgasm, I would be surprised that heavy metals would be involved. I dare say there are plenty more people effected by heavy metals than there are of us with pois. I would have thought pois would be a mainstream symptom of chronic low level HM poisoning if it was.

It is possible that the heavy metals are effecting you/us by say blocking key enzymes from working. Maybe certain enzymes that help break down excess catecholamines are inhibited because say mercury/nickel is blocking say zinc/manganese from activating them.

Yes garlic is a chelator but I dont think blueberries or spinach is. I feel a bit better on garlic and blueberries (but nothing to rave about) but not spinach. Heavy metal toxicity can effect your digestive system however. Changing your diet may help you excrete the HM better and that is maybe why you feel better. Your unprovoked HM readings were on the high side, so it would seem your body is disposing of them which is a good thing. An unprovoked HM urine test that shows no heavy metals is not necessary a great result as they can be locked up in organs/tissues. From reading chronic health forums such as PheonixRising you will find that HM especially mercury can cause gut issues for people. It is also associated with parasites so for some of us who dont feel so bad on a restricted clean (no sugar low carb) diet it is because we are reducing parasites and bad gut bacteria load which (maybe exacerbated by mercury exposure). I feel improvement taking chlorella which is a chelator but also helps detox bad gut bacteria toxic byproducts.

No idea on hot car event. Have you ever tried saunas?  They help you detox. Give it a go for a couple of weeks and see. The thing about releasing and mobilizing HM is that you can also feel bad so I would be a little surprised if someone with high HM felt instantly wonderful after taking one sauna/hot car sleep, but maybe.

I did some saunas and I thought they helped me a bit (nothing to rave about) but because I was underweight they really drained me. My head tends to feel hot and I definitely feel better with pois in winter or on cold days or walking in the cold section of supermarket, so I dont do saunas. I remember Demo saying something similar about the cold for him.

Reducing your mercury load should definitely improve your sleep. Not sure on Nickel. How would you have exposure to nickel?  Did you ever do a hair analysis?

I have not read of Taurine being used in chelation but I think it improves bile so that would help with HM detox. I have had improvement in my health recently (reduction in brain fog) from taking the mineral molybdenum. It is used in some key enzymes that break down toxic byproducts of candida and also other compounds like formaldehyde and alcohol. I had higher than normal exposure to formaldehyde around the time I got pois. My pois improved on it (I wanted to test it longer before mentioning on here) but that aspect seems to have worn off, but I switched to a different form, so I am going to go back to the original brand now.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 16/08/2015 00:22:09 »

One thing about anxiolytic meds the effect is short and the dosage must be increased to keep the same efficiency. Agree about methylation.
About digestive system, one important point I discovered is about 50% of dopamine is release in pancreas/gut ("mesentric organs")
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9360553
. The results show that mesenteric organs produce close to half of the dopamine formed in the body, most of which is unlikely to be derived from sympathetic nerves but may reflect production in a novel nonneuronal dopaminergic system
An increasing  number of Poisers and myself find an improvement by diet/or fasting.

The basic idea I suggest here is :
-Dopamine drops after ejaculation ( orgasm=> neutrotransmitters = fireworks show and semen = rich in catecholamins).
- when we leave these organs alone, they regenerate quickly  dopamine loss.

That's interesting. I did not know the 50% of dopamine came from out digestive organs. I can buy your theory.  I am another poiser who gets some relief from by avoiding certain foods (grains especially). I have noticed I get significant cognitive improvement and energy boost with the less I eat (fasting). Alas I am underweight so it is the opposite of what I want. I believe I am dopamine deficient, from articles I have read on neurotransmitters and also from doing Dr. Eric Braverman's The Edge Effect questionnaire (very low dopamine was the standout for me). While doctors have no problem writing a script out for meds to boost serotonin (without any pathology test to back it up), its a very different story when it comes to getting help for suspected low dopamine.

Taking supps as recommended in his book/newsletter did not really help me all that much with regards to boosting dopamine from what I could feel. I am trialling taurine and I wish I could say it was working for me,but I have to admit I have not taken it just prior to orgasm...yet.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 29/04/2015 04:52:21 »

.....
Also, my muscle mass will improve and i will look little bit fat (Basically I am skinny person) .
But the moment I ejaculate that all that pressure will vanish and will feel light headed . Also, my body will shrink
itself and will become very lean . 

I'm the same, and there is another skinny guy on here who says the same.  If I abstain I will start to put on weight, but its not like I can just go a week and the weight starts to pile on. It takes a couple of months. Its ******* crazy and its not like its a case of me consuming more food those times. Unfortunately for me it does not seem to be a case of abstain for a few months and the body will replenish whatever chemical/mineral it was missing and hey problem solved no more pois. It comes back, not as strong at first but within a few times its like the break made no difference at all and I start to lose weight again and muscles get sore. Its like pois makes us (well a few of us) catabolic. I do have low IGF-1 levels but that is not a common feature of others here. I had my urine checked for amino acids to see if I had protein defect and they checked out fine.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 27/01/2015 22:35:16 »

Hello,

I am a 32-year old girl from Ukraine, living in Germany. I have the symptoms described throughout this thread for about 10 years, although I understand you are focusing on men here. Until very recently I was not aware that other people also suffer from this and there is actually a name for it.

Years ago I underwent some tests and analysis related to my symptoms in Ukraine, but nothing helpful was found.

I was wondering if anybody knows about research or doctors focusing on women suffering from POIS?

Specifically I also wanted to ask if there is any information available on whether POIS is likely to be inherited? My husband and I are planning to have children and this causes great concern to me.

Many thanks to everybody who has contributed to this thread so far and provided valuable information. I would appreciate any advice concerning my situation.

Tatyana

Hi Tatyana. I see you seem to have acquired POIS around age 22. A bit later than puberty. Can you remember anything that happened to your life around that time that you suspect may have triggered it?
Does it make any difference for you if its sex or masturbation? I assume it doesn't. For many here it is worse with the latter. I thought there have been a few stories of women being allergic to their husbands semen.
How many days does it take for you to recover?
Has it got worse or better for you over the decade?

From the posts I have read on and off over the last 3 years, I have not seen any mention of a hereditary factor. I suspect many guys here are embarrassed by the condition and have keep quiet about it with their friends let alone discussed the condition (which did not have a name until a few yrs ago) with their parents. Mine thought I ended up with chronic fatigue syndrome (which I probably did at one stage) but early on they thought I was just lazy. Personally I suspect there is a hereditary element,,,not that any offspring will necessarily acquire it for sure, but just that there is a genetic weakness in the dna that makes us susceptible. (just my theory)

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 28/10/2014 08:25:17 »

I was also very heavy into bodybuilding. I was skinny all my life so wanted to put on muscle. I became a gym freak but with very little results. At one time, I was eating more and more but getting more and more skinny due to malabsorption issues. Your lack of results in the gym plus depression and suicidal thoughts scream digestive issues to me. These go hand in hand with POIS. I strongly suggest avoiding any sugar, grains, gluten or milk. Gut is very often affected by mercury as a major detox pathway. 

I completely agree with LupeNL.  If you can't control your weight/ can't build muscle, the problem is almost always gut related.  I went through this myself, for years not being able to gain at all.  At times I looked sickly I've been so thin.  FINALLY, 3 months ago i got my gut issues sorted out.  I was diagnosed with H Pylori which I got rid of.  Then I started keeping a food diary to sort out what upset my stomach.  I cut out all the things which gave me issues, which include processed foods, dairy, wheat, beans, and i'm still iffy on nuts.  I've gained 10 pounds of muscle since then and continue to put on more   

That's excellent BD. Like you and a few others on this page I've had extreme difficulty putting on weight. Ive been under the guidance of a personal trainer who was impressed with my training, strength, supplement regime and diet, but was very surprised I made no progress apart from strength but for only just a little weight gain which disappears in summer. Seeing a pois survey though its not a common theme for all pois sufferers by any means...just some of us. I did the stuff myself 6 meals a day diets in the past, and I would just run myself down with tiredness from continually digesting food all the time. I was like you...it was bizarre I looked sickly thin in summer given the food I was consuming and the fact I was doing weight lifting. So frustrating and I have found when the periods I have increase in weight my pois diminishes.

Given the calories I was consuming it had to be a malabsorption issue but doctors were not too overly concerned. Probiotics and enzymes never made much difference. I saw gastro docs but it was a waste of time. I had some fecal tests done and a number of issues were found. Overgrowth of a number of bad bacteria and zero good e-coli and also some parasites. I was treated for parasites and felt a little better and my stomach was not so sore anymore but no weight gain. I was treated for the bad bacterial overgrowth but no success there. I have cut out things like you - processed foods, dairy, wheat, beans, nuts and avoiding these definitely improves my health/energy but no weight gain. The only recent change I am doing is that I am becoming more hardcore on avoiding all grains. Its hard to do though as it chops out a lot of carbs plus it also goes again the grain in terms of weight gain. I am also getting back into Kefir which I took a fair bit of the middle of last year when I had a better than normal health spell and put on weight (and kept it). I have to say liquid chlorophyll (detox) and liquid licorice tincture (healing +anti bacterial) also helped my digestion too.

BD - after your change in diet how long did it take for your gut to heal before you realised you had put on some of the weight?  Did the 10lbs come on pretty fast and are you still putting on weight?

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 14/10/2014 04:24:30 »

<former Moderator visiting periodically>

Hello Demografx, on november 12th, I will finally see for the first time an endocrinologist. I waited so long to have this consultation. I don't want to fail to convince this doctor for the TRT. I'm 55 and I don't mind about the risk of infertility. Do you have some advice to give me on what I should tell him to convince him for TRT? Thank you

I posted a very lengthy reply, but it wouldn't go through for some reason.

Too many URL's? I'm guessing.
....
ps - feel free to tell him that it's worked for me for the last 5 years -- and also worked for a few other forum members.

KingKong
For any guy going to see an endo or an anti-aging clinic doc, I would definitely pitch the fact that some of the people with pois have had full recovery or improvement with pois from taking TRT. Finding a solution to pois is a huge deal for us who suffer and that needs to be conveyed that you are more than just some guy who's read about it in a magazine and wants to jump on it. You might find a little resistance as there is concerns at the level of TRT scrips being filled these days plus there is a society attitude that testosterone = bad or its associated with abuse/vanity. Endos will consider normal 95% of the age relevant population range. So unless you are in the bottom 2.5% there is a  chance he will say you are fine, even if you are at bottom of the range. Make sure you get Free T checked and not just Total T.

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 08/10/2014 06:37:25 »

Hello everyone!

Here is what cures my POIS in 1-2 days:

I noticed that whenever I eat a few beef wraps with jalapeņo peppers (either fresh or pickled), my brain fog reduces more rapidly. It has worked for me every time.

I noticed this about last year that whenever I ate the Subway steak & cheese with "lots" (7-12 slices) of jalapeņo and banana peppers and some veggies on it, my POIS would go away in a day or two. Taking a nap after few hours helps a lot too. So I decided to see if it has to do anything with beef and jalapeņo, and I tested it with just beef and jalapeņo wraps. It has worked in the same way.

Jalapeņo seems to increase blood flow in brain... and beef has lots of... anyways, give it a try and let me know if it works for you too.

So far my ultimate remedy is: 3 wraps/meal & 3 meals/day & (1 or 2 naps/day) & do it for 2 days. (avoid sugar!)

Mer - I'd say its less the beef or the wraps and more to do with the jalapeņo peppers. Why don't you try out a bottle of Blair's Jersey Death (cayenne pepper sauce). Okay, that stuff is extreme, but maybe try some extra hot chilli pepper sauce. Supposedly cayenne which is probably not that different from jalapeņo pepper, reduces Substance P, a known inflammation agent. I thought it was also supposed to boost GH and some other immunity markers too and increase endorphins. There was a fairly well known CFS/chronic health doctor who recommended very hot cayenne pepper, and I remember reading a story of a guy who tried the cayenne pepper therapy (plus with one other supplement that I cant remember) who claimed to cure himself of CFS after being sick for quite a number of years.

I tried it for a while a number of years back in the morning then a cold shower to kick start me out of pois hangover and it helped with cognition and energy a bit but it was no sure shot pois cure for me. I used to mix 3 drops in a glass of water. It was tough going when you are dealing with stuff that's a friggin million scoville heat units when a regular supermarket pepper is like 300. Your mouth is burning but its gets the blood pumping and you jumping.  (you have to be careful with the super hot stuff) I ended up dropping it as my health went down hill a bunch of months afterwards but I was on other treatment from my CFS/lyme doctor so I am not saying it was the cayenne pepper.


Also I don't know what the policy here is on mentioning specific brand names, but want to mention another product that might help some people deal with energy depletion from pois. Its a pre workout supplement - Mesomorph Ver.2. Another one I like is Black Bombs.  I first came upon these when checking out gym supplements. They certainly help power me gym routine after work, but they can substitute for energy drinks such as red bull which some here might take to get through the afternoons on the first couple of pois days (much better imo)

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 25/09/2014 12:59:43 »

Hey Janiv. That's so wonderful to hear you are now in the land of the normal after 23 yrs of suffering. You don't have to give out the doctor's details in the public forum, but you can't tease us like that with no details on the cure.
Tell us how he did it and what was the logic behind his theory?
Did the turn around happen pretty much from the start of treatment or did things only turn around in the last few weeks?
Do you need to continue with this treatment indefinitely?

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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

« on: 23/09/2014 02:35:20 »

hello everyone.
    has anyone tried resveratrol ? One member has very good results with resveratrol. i have not tried it. i am going to try it . tomorrow i may buy it. in the past in this forum some users reported success with blueberry juices, etc. blueberry juice contains resveratrol. i think it is worth to try resveratrol.

I am trying resveratrol now. 200mg / day. Its too early to report anything as I've only been on it less than a week, but so far this week has been pretty good for me, but then I have recently started a few other supps too like Mucuna Dopa and Sulbutiamine. Last year I took the herb Japanese Knotweed and my pois was  improved over that period, but I was still feeling pretty lousy. What is complicating things for me is that I have been diagnosed with Lyme disease. I was taking the Japanese Knotweed for this. it is very high in resveratrol. It sis supposed to be improve blood flow and be anti-microbial and anti-inflammatory. I am trialling resveratrol for the moment to see if I still get the same effect for less $.

I had reported in a past post that blue berries had helped to alleviate the impact of pois somewhat for me. They were no cure by any means but just helped with cognition + libidio bounce back + energy. For many years the effect seemed to have disappeared but when I switch to organic blueberries a few years back I noticed feeling better after eating them again, but not to the extent I did when I was younger. The brand of Japanese Knotweed tincture I used was from beneficialbotanicals, if you feel the resveratrol is helping a little and want to see if maybe JK might be better still.