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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: seeker3 on 14/05/2019 06:09:23
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Special relativity
Main article: Special relativity
Special relativity is a theory of the structure of spacetime. It was introduced in Einstein's 1905 paper "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" (for the contributions of many other physicists see History of special relativity). Special relativity is based on two postulates which are contradictory in classical mechanics:
The laws of physics are the same for all observers in uniform motion relative to one another (principle of relativity).
The speed of light in a vacuum is the same for all observers, regardless of their relative motion or of the motion of the light source. THERE IS NO LIGHT IN VACUUM SPACE, NO OBSERVERS CAN OBSERVE LIGHT IN VACUUM SPACE.
The resultant theory copes with experiment better than classical mechanics. For instance, postulate 2 explains the results of the Michelson–Morley experiment. Moreover, the theory has many surprising and counterintuitive consequences. Some of these are:
Relativity of simultaneity: Two events, simultaneous for one observer, may not be simultaneous for another observer if the observers are in relative motion. ASSUMPTION.
Time dilation: Moving clocks are measured to tick more slowly than an observer's "stationary" clock. TIME IS NOT A PHYSICAL MATTER THAT CAN BE DILATED. TIMERS READING CHANGED IN DIFFERENT SPEED OR GRAVITY IS NOT TIME DILATION.
Length contraction: Objects are measured to be shortened in the direction that they are moving with respect to the observer. ASSUMPTION.
Maximum speed is finite: No physical object, message or field line can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. ENERGY TELEPORT BETWEEN MATTERS. ENERGY IS INSTANTANEOUS THROUGHOUT SPACE.
The effect of Gravity can only travel through space at the speed of light, not faster or instantaneously. GRAVITY IS COEXISTING WITH MATTERS THEREFORE INSTANTANEOUS.
Mass–energy equivalence: E = mc2, energy and mass are equivalent and transmutable. ENERGY IS MOTIVE FORCE CARRIED BY MATTER, MATTER IS CHARGED PARTICLES. BOTH ARE CONSERVED, THEY ARE NOT EQUIVALENT, NOT TRANSMUTABLE.
Relativistic mass, idea used by some researchers.[9]
General relativity
Main articles: General relativity and Introduction to general relativity
General relativity is a theory of gravitation developed by Einstein in the years 1907–1915. The development of general relativity began with the equivalence principle, under which the states of accelerated motion and being at rest in a gravitational field (for example, when standing on the surface of the Earth) are physically identical. The upshot of this is that free fall is inertial motion: an object in free fall is falling because that is how objects move when there is no force being exerted on them, instead of this being due to the force of gravity as is the case in classical mechanics. This is incompatible with classical mechanics and special relativity because in those theories inertially moving objects cannot accelerate with respect to each other, but objects in free fall do so. To resolve this difficulty Einstein first proposed that spacetime is curved. In 1915, he devised the Einstein field equations which relate the curvature of spacetime with the mass, energy, and any momentum within it.
Some of the consequences of general relativity are:
Gravitational time dilation: Clocks run slower in deeper gravitational wells. TIMER'S MOVING RATE CHANGED IN DIFFERENT GRAVITY IS NOT TIME DILATION, TIME IS NOT A THING CAN BE TOUCHED OR DIALATED.[10]
Precession: Orbits precess in a way unexpected in Newton's theory of gravity. (This has been observed in the orbit of Mercury and in binary pulsars). ASSUMPTION.
Light deflection: Rays of light bend in the presence of a gravitational field. HOT GAS ON THE SUN DEFLECTED LIGHT NOT GRAVITY.
Frame-dragging: Rotating masses "drag along" the spacetime around them. ASSUMPTION.
Metric expansion of space: the universe is expanding, and the far parts of it are moving away from us faster than the speed of light. ASSUMPTION.
Technically, general relativity is a theory of gravitation whose defining feature is its use of the Einstein field equations. The solutions of the field equations are metric tensors which define the topology of the spacetime and how objects move inertially.
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THERE IS NO LIGHT IN VACUUM SPACE, NO OBSERVERS CAN OBSERVE LIGHT IN VACUUM SPACE.
There is clearly something that gets to us from the Sun through the vacuum in between.
What are you saying that is?
Everybody else thinks it's light.
How could you, even in principle, show that it is not?
TIME IS NOT A PHYSICAL MATTER THAT CAN BE DILATED
Nobody said it was.
TIMERS READING CHANGED IN DIFFERENT SPEED OR GRAVITY IS NOT TIME DILATION.
Are you disputing the fact that the clocks run at different rates?
If not, it seems you just don't like the word "dilation".
Well, ard luck. It's the word we use.
ENERGY TELEPORT BETWEEN MATTERS. ENERGY IS INSTANTANEOUS THROUGHOUT SPACE.
Demonstrably false as directly witnessed by anyone who ever made a satellite phone call.
ASSUMPTION.
No.
It's a deduction.
GRAVITY IS COEXISTING WITH MATTERS THEREFORE INSTANTANEOUS.
Interesting assertion.
Prove it.
HOT GAS ON THE SUN DEFLECTED LIGHT NOT GRAVITY.
No.
The refraction effect is well enough understood and was allowed for.
ASSUMPTION.
No, again, it's a deduction.
TIME IS NOT A THING CAN BE TOUCHED
Nobody said it was.
ENERGY IS MOTIVE FORCE CARRIED BY MATTER,
No.
Apart from anything else, the units are wrong.
I may have missed a few bits,but essentially, everything in capitals is demonstrably wrong.
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Gravitational radiation
LIGO Hanford Observatory
The LIGO Hanford Observatory located in Washington, US where gravitational waves were first observed in September 2015.
Main article: Gravitational wave
According to general relativity, gravitational radiation is generated in situations where the curvature of spacetime is oscillating, such as with co-orbiting objects. As of 2019, the gravitational radiation emitted by the Solar System is far too small to measure; however, on 14 September 2015, LIGO registered gravitational waves (gravitational radiation) for the first time as a result of the collision of two black holes 1.3 billion light-years from Earth.[40][41] This observation confirms the theoretical predictions of Einstein and others that such waves exist. It also opens the way for practical observation and understanding of the nature of gravity and events in the Universe including the Big Bang.[42]It is believed that neutron star mergers and black hole formation may also create detectable amounts of gravitational radiation.[citation needed]Prior to LIGO, gravitational radiation had been indirectly observed as an energy loss over time in binary pulsar systems such as PSR B1913+16.
Speed of gravity
Main article: Speed of gravity
In December 2012, a research team in China announced that it had produced measurements of the phase lag of Earth tides during full and new moons which seem to prove that the speed of gravity is equal to the speed of light.[43] This means that if the Sun suddenly disappeared, the Earth would keep orbiting it normally for 8 minutes, which is the time light takes to travel that distance. The team's findings were released in the Chinese Science Bulletin in February 2013.[44]
In October 2017, the LIGO and Virgo detectors received gravitational wave signals within 2 seconds of gamma ray satellites and optical telescopes seeing signals from the same direction. This confirmed that the speed of gravitational waves was the same as the speed of light.[45]
GRAVITY IS INDUCED ELECTROSTATIC ATTRACTION FORCE BETWEEN NEUTRALLY CHARGED MATTERS. GRAVITY IS COEXISTING WITH MATTERS THEREFORE INSTANTANEOUS. GRAVITY DOES NOT PROPAGATE IN SPACE BETWEEN MATTERS AT LIGHT SPEED.
LIGO LIED FOR MORE FUNDING.
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LIGO LIED FOR MORE FUNDING.
Please provide a reputable source of evidence for this claim. Do you have leaked documents? Testimony from whistle-blowers? Be careful not to commit the "begging the question" fallacy in your answer. I bet you will though, since you've done it before.
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LIGO LIED FOR MORE FUNDING.
Please provide a reputable source of evidence for this claim.
The statement has a significant chance of being true. The thread is a place for seeker3 to express his opinion, and stuff in caps are proposed statements of his opinion, not proposed statements of fact. Given the other posts, it would surprise me little to learn that he actually holds this opinion. There's also a better chance he's lying about his opinion, so as you say, there is no reputable source of evidence one way or another.
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GRAVITY IS COEXISTING WITH MATTERS THEREFORE INSTANTANEOUS.
If that was true then these couldn't happen
a research team in China announced that it had produced measurements of the phase lag of Earth tides during full and new moons which seem to prove that the speed of gravity is equal to the speed of light.
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IGO and Virgo detectors received gravitational wave signals within 2 seconds of gamma ray satellites and optical telescopes seeing signals from the same direction. This confirmed that the speed of gravitational waves was the same as the speed of light
But they did happen.
So you are wrong.
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What is the speed of gravity?
The speed of gravity is light speed.
Why?
Because all scientists say so. Textbooks say so. Everyone think so. Therefore gravity speed is 3 x 10^8 m/s.
Common mistake due to bad education. Gravity has no speed-- it is an eternal property of mass.
The fact is gravity has no speed, gravity does not propagate from Sun to earth, gravity is constantly attracting the Sun and earth. Therefore gravity has no speed, it is instantaneous.
What is the speed of mass? What is the speed of charge? What is the speed of temperature?
Temperature, mass and charge just like gravity, coexisting with matter, inherit property, indestructible and immortal. All instantaneous, have no speed.
Force has attitude, direction and carrier. Force has no speed. Simple fact and logic, why all scientists are confused? Our education system really sucks.
Scientists lied detected gravity wave few years ago.
Today they lied took a picture of a black hole.
What is going on? They thought people are all as stupid?
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What is energy?
Energy is electrostatic motive force carried by moving matter and vibrating electrons/atoms.
Energy must coexist with the matter. Therefore there is no light wave, no photon particle traveling in space at light speed.
All theories based on light speed in space is C are mistaken.
All energy is coming from atom formation. Oppositely charged particles attract each other and same charged particles repel each other to form an atom, atom carried charged particles kinetic energy and constantly vibrating.
It is important to realize that in physics today, we have no knowledge of what energy is. We do not have a picture that energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount. It is not that way. -Feynman
All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, D i c k and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. - Einstein
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Try again, this time with supporting evidence instead of empty assertions.
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11 minutes agoWow bro, I think u have something here. It’s hard for my little chimp but I understood enough for u to blow my mind. Keep asking Neil & others. We must have a debate about this. You just may have changed the world & we don’t realize it yet. WOW.
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11 minutes agoWow bro, I think u have something here. It’s hard for my little chimp but I understood enough for u to blow my mind. Keep asking Neil & others. We must have a debate about this. You just may have changed the world & we don’t realize it yet. WOW.
This is spam and the OP is just posting unfounded conspiracy theory crap again. Please move to an appropriate part of the forum.
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Einstein came up with this geometric theory of gravity, which deforms space-time. So matter deforms space-time, and then space-time tells matter in turn how to move around it. And you can get enough matter into a small enough region, that it punctures space-time, and that even light can't escape, the force of gravity keeps even light inside.
All description and assumption, no explanation and mechanism, no cause and effect, this is not science but religion.
Our science education is really ******. How can we fix it?
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How can we fix it?
You could start by learning how science works.
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All description and assumption
It isn't an assumption when it's actually been measured.
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All description and assumption
It isn't an assumption when it's actually been measured.
What has been measured? What is deform space-time? How? How to puncture space-time? Word salad? Monkey story?
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What has been measured?
Time dilation has been measured via multiple experiments by now, as has gravitational lensing, orbital precession, frame dragging, gravitational radiation and other things as predicted by relativity. It's not opinion. They've been detected and quantified.
What is deform space-time?
Space-time where lengths and times are different depending on who is measuring it.
How to puncture space-time?
Nobody said anything about puncturing space-time. You are straw-manning.
Word salad?
You need to learn what that term means, because you aren't using it correctly.
Monkey story?
What the heck is "monkey story"?
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Space tells matter how to move, matter tells space how to curve.
How? What is the mechanism? Can space talk to matter? What language?
Without precise mechanism any scientific theory is a monkey story.
Agree?
The guy in the video said puncture space-time few times, fact.
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The fabric of space-time? Ripples of the fabric of space-time?
What is the content of the fabric? What is ripples of what?
Word salad? Word puzzle? Monkey toys?
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F=ma, force and motion. No mass/matter can move at infinite speed. All waves, sound, light, whatever wave are matter waving. No waves in vacuum space.
Hold a magnet in each hand, feel the repulsion or attraction force? Now wave 1 hand, feel the energy teleport to other hand? Is there any magnetic wave traveling at light speed between hands?
Light or gravity only coexist with matter/medium, there is no light wave or gravity wave traveling in vacuum space at light speed.
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Look at the Sun, the moon and earth, look the forces between them.
The 3 balls of mass attract each other with gravity F=G x M1M2/R^2. Since forces are instantaneous, if the Sun has a quake, moon and earth will shake with it simultaneously.
The lines of sight electrons on the surface of the 3 balls of mass are repelling each other with levity F=Ke x Q1Q2/R^2. Since forces are instantaneous, if electrons on the surface of the Sun vibrate, lines of sight electrons on the surface of moon and earth will vibrate with them simultaneously.
That is why light/EM wave/photon/energy/information able to teleport through empty space.
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Space tells matter how to move, matter tells space how to curve.
How? What is the mechanism?
Space "telling" matter how to move should be obvious. If the space is curved (like in a gravitational field) then the path of matter is going to be curved when it travels through it. Matter curving space is less obvious. I don't think anyone knows for certain why mass and energy create gravitational fields. But we do know that they do. The experiments I mentioned earlier show this.
Can space talk to matter? What language?
You know very well that it is a metaphor. You are straw-manning.
Without precise mechanism any scientific theory is a monkey story.
Agree?
Absolutely not. You do not have to know how something works in order to know that it does work. Newton and Kepler didn't know what caused gravity, yet their theories worked.
The guy in the video said puncture space-time few times, fact.
It's another metaphor.
The fabric of space-time? Ripples of the fabric of space-time?
What is the content of the fabric? What is ripples of what?
Space-time is made of space and time. That should have been obvious.
Word salad? Word puzzle? Monkey toys?
Those phrases have become meaningless by now.
Since forces are instantaneous
No they don't. You are assuming it without any hard data to back it up. Evidence to the contrary means that it is wrong. The speed of sound isn't infinite.
That is why light/EM wave/photon/energy/information able to teleport through empty space.
Nobody here is going to take that claim seriously when the only way you can defend that claim is by invoking conspiracy theories.
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Sound is not force. You are confused.
Forces are coexisted with matters, forces don't propagate in space at light speed.
I tried so hard to open your mind, seems you intentionally against anything I say. Even facts and Coulomb's Law.
Follow the mechanism, precise cause and effect, otherwise, how to find out the truth?
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Gravity can observe, planets orbiting the Sun, apples falling to the ground.
Gravity was most accurately measured force in labs.
Gravity is constantly and continuing attracting matters, therefore it is instantaneous, it has no speed, it act upon matters instantly.
So simple fact, why some people are still confused?
Playing fool for fun?
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Gravity is constantly and continuing attracting matters, therefore it is instantaneous,
Cars continually drive round the M25, are you saying they go infinitely fast?Sound is not force. You are confused.
Yes it is, and you are plain wrong.
If I push one end of an iron bar that "push" travels along the bar at a measurable speed (a few km/sec).
It travels at the speed of sound in iron.
That's a highschool experiment.
Why are you trying to pretend it does not happen.
Why are you lying?
Are you trying to make yourself look good?
That's not working. You just look foolish.
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Gravity is inherited force coexisting with matters. Gravity is not a car or thing that moves or travels or propagates.
Sound is not force. Sound is sound wave traveling in matter/medium.
A rod is matter, has mass, can never move at infinite speed. F=ma, that's why matter cannot be teleport.
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Gravity is not a car or thing that moves or travels or propagates.
Just repeatedly saying things does not make them true.
It makes you look silly.
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A rod is matter, has mass, can never move at infinite speed.
OK, so, if I want to push something- say the light switch- and I use a metal bar to push it you say two things.
The force moves instantly to the switch,
but it does so without the bar moving infinitely fast.
Do you not see that you have contradicted yourself?
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I tried so hard to open your mind, seems you intentionally against anything I say. Even facts and Coulomb's Law.
I'm intentionally against things that go against known science. It is known for a fact that signal delay takes place between spacecraft in space. You claim that it is a lie promoted by the space agencies of the world. You said the same thing about gravitational wave detection being a lie. Yet you never offered any evidence that such conspiracies actually exist in reality. Why do you think anyone is going to believe in your conspiracy claims when you can't provide evidence of the conspiracies?
Gravity is constantly and continuing attracting matters, therefore it is instantaneous, it has no speed, it act upon matters instantly.
So simple fact, why some people are still confused?
What experiment was it that demonstrated that gravity travels instantaneously? When was it performed? By who?
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Gravity is inherited force coexisting with matters. Gravity is not a car or thing that moves or travels or propagates.
Sound is not force. Sound is sound wave traveling in matter/medium.
A rod is matter, has mass, can never move at infinite speed. F=ma, that's why matter cannot be teleport.
What is it that you are seeking? Professional help?
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Hi all,
What are common first-year-teacher mistakes to be aware of? And how do you avoid them?
Thank you.