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On the Lighter Side => That CAN'T be true! => Topic started by: Louise on 13/03/2010 17:57:43
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I know of only one other person that has done this and that was my grandfather. It feels as if a muscle cramp is occurring however the skin actually opens up (does not tear). There is no bleeding. Once my skin opens I can mentally manipulate what happens inside and have pushed fluid cysts and fat from my body. When done the hole closes on its own and there is no sign of it having ever been there. This occurs on my back, sides, and legs and tongue. A few other things occur with this. My body may become extremely hot and the fat has caught fire when being purged from my body.
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Q. What causes the human body to open up and purge [burning] fat ?
A. Cremation.
The wick effect is the name given to the partial destruction of a human body by fire, when the clothing of the victim soaks up melted human fat and acts like the wick of a candle. The wick effect is a phenomenon that has been proven to occur under certain conditions, and thoroughly observed. It is one commonly offered explanation for the alleged phenomenon of spontaneous human combustion (SHC).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wick_effect
But if you really believe you can do this "mentally" you need to review any psychotropic substances you are taking.
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I'll have to disagree with you there. Most often the fire does not begin until exposed to sunlight. However, intense heat can accompany this phenomenon without the body opening up. Obviously, I didn't combust sense I'm still here. I have heard that there are a few people from the Phillipines that may also be able to purge things from their body and maybe one extinct tribe from South America. Has anyone else ever heard of this. I believe it is a nearly extinct gene. (No I do not do drugs)
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Do me a favour, go see a doctor and show them how you do this real time, then ask them to write a medical report and send it to me, because I really really would love to know! Alternatively record it on video and send that to me. I have benign tumours scattered throughout my body so if these things are possible then.... [:)] But personally, compliments of my mother I've tried many of them and they have never worked, the explanation I've been given is "you have to believe or there will be a blockage" oh pffft, i never disbelieved when I was too young to judge.
The question I've come to ask is why is it that there are so many stories like this one you have posted and people swear by them yet there has never been any scientific documentation of it? One would think if a medical professional witnessed first hand what you can do they would be very interested indeed. For eg, the person that wakes up and their brain cancer has vanished, where are the before and after MRI's? I'd like to see them, not just read the book that says merely in print that it happened. Makes the story seem a bit flimsy.
False hope was sold to me as a child and I'm not impressed. However, I'd love if you can prove me wrong, but at the end of the day seeing is believing, just too many claims out there that are nothing more than one persons claim. I can tell you I had a conversation with a fairy in my backyard yesterday, why should you believe me?
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Sounds like a version of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_surgery
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Assuming it is not true, what would be the motive in making such claims? Especially if its not publicised much if at all. Science disagrees but they persist, why? I don't see the value of making stuff up, especially if its not going to pay off financially.
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I don't see the value of making stuff up, especially if its not going to pay off financially.
If not financial-gain then attention-seeking or if sincere then they're delusional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions).
Jasmuheen (born Ellen Greve) was probably the most famous advocate of breatharianism during the 1990s. She claimed "I can go for months and months without having anything at all other than a cup of tea. My body runs on a different kind of nourishment." Several interviewers found her house full of food, but she claimed the food was for her husband.
Jasmuheen was awarded the Bent Spoon Award by Australian Skeptics in 2000 ("presented to the perpetrator of the most preposterous piece of paranormal or pseudoscientific piffle"). She also won the 2000 Ig Nobel Prize for Literature for Living on Light. Jasmuheen claims that their beliefs are based on the writings and "more recent channelled material" of the Count of St Germain. She claims that her DNA has expanded from 2 to 12 strands, to "absorb more hydrogen". When offered $30,000 to prove her claim with a blood test, she said that she didn't understand the relevance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia
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I think the condition may be related to this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_parasitosis
Incidentally, Jasmuheen also had some interesting explaining to do when she ordered a vegetarian meal when she booked a plane flight.
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No one places their hands on my body. My body does this on its own. If I put on a pair of jeans that are way to tight I can force my body to open on my sides or back. From that point I can focus my attention to forcing cysts or whatever else inside that should not be there out. I can also visualize moving the opening of my skin to other areas to force other debris out. As I said before, a large amount of heat is generated. One other thing I would like to point out is that my organs will vibrate and can make a loud enough humming sound that other people can hear it.
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Do you understand why most of us don't believe a word of what you are saying?
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enough to keep the ignorant in our society fascinated, amazed, wondering, or questioning scientific "authority", as it were.
As far as those who fall for it go, I think perhaps not only ignorance but sometimes desperation also? If one has an incurable medical condition or is watching a family member die then perhaps this could make them more susceptible to thinking they can see what they so desperately want to see? I suppose this could apply to me personally, I've remained somewhat agnostic in some ways. I don't believe, theres not reason to, but its also not so easy to just rule it out as impossible because that means letting go of hope and who wants to do that?
I like your idea of a protest against authority, have never thought of that before [:)] Most likely applies to my mother, definitely the rebel lol
I still can't fully comprehend taking attention seeking so far and being able to hold strong to it, they do seem so awfully convinced and there are a lot of them out there. But then I've never been a good liar.
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Eatsrainbows you are assuming a lot! I see no way this could cure anything. If anything it makes a person more prone to possible infections. All I have said is that it feels like a muscle cramp and that the body opens. I can push out fluid filled cysts and fat. Science hasn't discovered everything so maybe you need to open your mind rather than jumped to the automatic conclusion that this cannot happen in someone. Eatsrainbows, hmmm interesting thing to call oneself.
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I can expel things from my body too. Would anyone like to see some pics? [;D]
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Eatsrainbows you are assuming a lot! I see no way this could cure anything.
The things I said were in consideration of that fact that there are definite similarities between what you are claiming and psychic surgery. Cyst or tumour, whats the difference for the purpose of this discussion? Using the mind to purge the body of substances is the point no?
I can focus my attention to forcing cysts or whatever else inside that should not be there out.
Case in point.
Science hasn't discovered everything so maybe you need to open your mind rather than jumped to the automatic conclusion that this cannot happen in someone.
As far as I'm aware it seems that science hasn't discovered anything because there hasn't been any evidence good enough to be investigated. That was the point of my initial post, where is the evidence? I'd like to see it! Your claim is the sort of thing I spent my entire childhood being carted around the world chasing after and my mum still swears by it so naturally there is a part of me that asks, "could it be true?". She's my mother, she taught me about the world. However we had nil success. Thus I would like to know, If the evidence is really there, why has science not put it under the microscope?
If it has and it has been found to be false, or alternatively if there is no evidence, why believe it? Again, do you believe, or is there reason for you to believe that I had a conversation with a fairy in my backyard? Some people find believing misleading information to be detrimental, not only a waste of time.
I'm a very open minded person, and science is all about finding new information. It is also a big part of the scientific method to analyse evidence in a way that is unbiased and any good scientist would. In the least I can say this applies to me, but I'm not going to believe an unsubstantiated claim. That fact doesn't make me closed to new, real evidence.
It just so happens that there is even plenty of evidence against what you claim, and I suppose that is why most on here disagree with you.
It sounds very much as if you have taken offence, and fair enough, no one likes their ideas being challenged it can be intimidating. I did not intend any offence, however may I please point out that this is a science forum and i am interested in discussing the idea and related issues, that tends to be what we do here. If your idea is not open for discussion, why post it?
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I can expel things from my body too. Would anyone like to see some pics? [;D]
lol no thank you, you're not allowed to play show and tell [;)]
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I can expel things from my body too. Would anyone like to see some pics? [;D]
lol no thank you, you're not allowed to play show and tell [;)]
Come on! This is serious science. No evidence or data can be ignored.
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I have found someone who may be able to direct me to a researcher. I look forward to the pie in the face for the flat earthers. "Dark Age Mentallity" still exists. ♠♠♠♠ No wonder so many of man kinds discoveries were done in secret. Anyway, I'm still trying to locate anyone else who does this.
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Wait until you get a real, documented result before you pay the "researcher" anything.
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I was about to post this when BC posted his suggestion. I completely agree with BC.
Here is my take on it:
I'd be happy to take a pie in the face if you can provide at least a lttle evidence.
Also, please understand that anyone who claims to accept your theory without seeing any evidence for it is probably trying to exploit you in some way. Beware of those who tell you what they think you want to hear. The World is full on con. artists.
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First of all I don't expect anyone to take my word for it without evidence. I was hoping to find someone else who possibly did this. My proof will be when I can prove genetically that this happens in some people, rarely, though it may be. Apparently, the naysayers of science still stand at the doorway of learning and heckle people who would shatter the belief of the day. Things never change. Lol. By the way a true scientist wouldn't poofoo anything. He wouldn't accept it without proof either. I'm looking for the right study or researcher to work with.
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It's called "SCIENCTIFIC STUDY".
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It is clear that we are unworthy, but at least we are honest.
Again, please, please, please, be very carefull! Anyone who claims to understand this without demanding evidence is giving you the old "soft soap".
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It's very easy to shoot video and put it online. Obviously, video can be faked, so you can't expect people to immediately believe you, but it would be a good start.
If you're hoping to find others who can do what you claim to do. Why not start by posting a video here?
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"Things never change. Lol. By the way a true scientist wouldn't poofoo anything. He wouldn't accept it without proof either. I'm looking for the right study or researcher to work with. "
OK which is most likely of these three scenarios?
1 Louise has found something that rewrites the rules of (at least) physics, chemistry biology and genetics.
2 In a couple of weeks we get a post that says "April fool!"
3 We get a reply with Louise's log-on details saying something like
"Hello, this is Dr Jones from the happy valley mental hospital. We understand that one of our patients has been posting on your site. We are sorry for any inconvenience caused and will try to ensure it doesn't happen again.
I'm not sure which I'd bet on; but it certainly isn't option 1.
You don't have a cat in hells's chance of getting a real researcher to pay any attention to this. Try an investigative journalist; at least they should pay you rather than the other way round.
If they get enough evidence to print the story then perhaps someone else will listen.
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Bored chemist you just need a new job. Something that really excites you. If science is such a bore look elsewhere. Science should be exciting and new things looked at as an adventure.
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SO following the reasoning applied by most persons posting to this topic, this Youtube video linked below could NEVER have taken place because the acts seen in it defy scientific logic. Yet no one has ever been documented being injured in these religious rights even when the events have been validated by western scientific observers.
"There is more under heaven and earth than is dreamt of in our philosophy, Horatio"
Louise
Here are three places in the US that will take you seriously and not treat you like an unwanted step-child.
Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
Duke University's Rhine Research Center
http://www.rhine.org/
The University of Arizona Center for Consciousness Studies
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/mission.htm
I feel that if you contact each of these places you will be taken seriously.
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Bored chemist you just need a new job. Something that really excites you. If science is such a bore look elsewhere. Science should be exciting and new things looked at as an adventure.
You might want to look into the word "irony".
"SO following the reasoning applied by most persons posting to this topic, this Youtube video linked below could NEVER have taken place because the acts seen in it defy scientific logic. "
They don't
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This sounds like a pretty weird condition; please post a video!
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Thank you JimBob, I'll check them out! [:)]