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Title: Trump's legal problems
Post by: varsigma on 08/01/2024 17:06:02
There isn't much on this site about the guy, you know, orange face, yells a lot. Yeah, him.

So currently he has four major indictments in four different states. My summary goes like this.

He is about to lose his New York real estate business--a Demolition Derby in Manhattan.

He is waiting to find out if the Supreme Court can save him from being convicted of, well, treason I guess--A Dark and Stormy Day in D.C.

He has that RICO indictment--A Rainy Night in Georgia.

And coming in last, the classified documents indictment for obstruction--a Fart in a Hurricane in Florida.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Zer0 on 08/01/2024 19:06:57
What Other Choice or Option is Available?

ps - writ of cretiorari
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: alancalverd on 08/01/2024 20:00:36
And there's the problem. The Democrats don't have a slogan, there's no coherent opposition in the Republican party, so the incompetent criminal will get elected ahead of the incompetent criminal.

Charles III may not be the sharpest knife in the box, but at least our Head of State doesn't have his finger on any important buttons, unrepayable loans from Putin, or any pretensions to undermine democracy.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Petrochemicals on 09/01/2024 00:56:46
The usa opinion poles don't favour Biden, largley because he appears elderly compared to trump (even though trump is only 4 years younger) despite the glowing report on the economy.

Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: paul cotter on 09/01/2024 08:41:32
Unfortunately neither candidate inspires confidence.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: alancalverd on 09/01/2024 10:12:28
How on earth did the nation that elected Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Trueman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter and Obama end up having to choose between a drooling idiot and a bankrupt traitor? They both make George W Bush and Richard Nixon look worthy of Nobel prizes and sainthood.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: paul cotter on 09/01/2024 11:50:20
Indeed Alan, it is a mind boggling question.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Petrochemicals on 09/01/2024 14:08:13
Indeed Alan, it is a mind boggling question.
I can understand the first trump presidency, it is easily attributable to Raegan, who was deriled as a holly wood actor at the beginning but who is regarded as one of the greatest Presidents the USA has had. His trail blazing tenure in the whitehouse has led to wider acceptance of celebrity polititians, Arnie being an example. This time however i do not understand trumps attraction, he is openly decrying the democratic process he is now once again trying to be a part of. Raegan went one way trump went the other.

I dont know why Raegan is held in high regard, the USSR collapsed under its own steam, managed by Gorbachev. There is the iran contra affair and various dubious dealings. The economy improved under Raegan but I have serious doubts polititians have any control over it, and as I said, Biden has a rosy looking economy to no benefit to himself.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: varsigma on 09/01/2024 19:33:54
I'm something of an armchair anthropologist. My opinion of what's happening in America right now is that it's a direct consequence of the growth of an affluent middle class.

I know, I know. But the fact is this is what interferes with hierarchy. That structuring of society means only a few people get to be wealthy the rest have to work.

A middle class with spare time usually starts to criticise the elites. They begin to see that collectively they wield political power.  As the Chinese have begun to realize, this can be a problem. Give people freedom of expression and they use it. Eventually, against you and your cabal.

This is complicated by the many voices of grievance in America. America is a country of whiners. They started out whining about King George, and they haven't let that one go yet.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: paul cotter on 09/01/2024 21:56:05
I think it has more to do with the loss of blue collar work and the hollowing out of that class. The disenfranchised from the rust belt are more than willing to believe Trump can turn back the clock, as many populists promise to.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: alancalverd on 10/01/2024 08:51:26
His trail blazing tenure in the whitehouse has led to wider acceptance of celebrity polititians,
Not sure that Reagan was ever much of a celebrity before his presidency, but people forget his real strengths. His acting career wasn't so much illustrious as workmanlike, and was preceded by a lot of work as a competent journalist and sports commentator.

In consequence, and like Kennedy, he consulted with experts rather than arselickers, hired professional scriptwriters, delivered the words clearly, and was capable of responding  articulately to live questioning. The principal job of a head of state is to summarise and represent a competent administration, not to promote self-interest or the profits of your friends.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Petrochemicals on 10/01/2024 09:14:27
I think it has more to do with the loss of blue collar work and the hollowing out of that class.
But you can say that all the way back to the spinning jenny and the luddites.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Bored chemist on 10/01/2024 13:37:07
His trail blazing tenure in the whitehouse has led to wider acceptance of celebrity polititians,
Not sure that Reagan was ever much of a celebrity before his presidency, but people forget his real strengths. His acting career wasn't so much illustrious as workmanlike, and was preceded by a lot of work as a competent journalist and sports commentator.

In consequence, and like Kennedy, he consulted with experts rather than arselickers, hired professional scriptwriters, delivered the words clearly, and was capable of responding  articulately to live questioning. ...
My recollection of Reagan was more along these lines.

Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: alancalverd on 10/01/2024 15:17:57
Fortunately his real scriptwriters were rather better than that, and his delivery was reasonably convincing.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: paul cotter on 10/01/2024 17:34:54
While I would disagree with many of his policies I consider Reagan to have been a competent president.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: varsigma on 11/01/2024 23:11:26
I don't know that one of Trump's legal problems (or, actually any of them) will be resolved should the Supreme Court decide that he has immunity from prosecution.

That would be despite any criminal liabilty and would have to apply to the sitting president. That the SC would rule in this way would be quite the shock to the system--a real kick in the head--since then, Joe Biden would get a licence to do whatever he likes.

So why not declare, under presidential authority, that political parties are banned? Every candidate for any office must be an independent. Then he orders the arrest of all Republicans under the pretext that they are members of an illegal political group. He sends Donald and his family to Gitmo. And so on.

With full immunity from prosecution. Unless the SC decides that Trump is the only man on the planet who can be trusted with it . . .

More popcorn please, miss.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/01/2024 10:24:15
While I would disagree with many of his policies I consider Reagan to have been a competent president.
If the choice was between a rerun of him or Trump, I'd pick the dead one.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: paul cotter on 12/01/2024 10:33:20
Indeed BC, I have to agree with your choice of a necro-president.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Zer0 on 12/01/2024 17:59:47
" But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. "

Source -https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/#_blank
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: varsigma on 16/01/2024 02:30:28
It looks a lot like the plot of this movie is that Trump is now actively campaigning, not for election, but for Insurrection v 2.0. In public he's threatening to "deal with" the people who are interfering with his election chances by using the DOJ to indict him.

Like every inmate, he's innocent.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Zer0 on 02/02/2024 15:38:49
Innocent, until proven Guilty!

: )
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Petrochemicals on 02/02/2024 21:07:03
And we all thought George "dubbya" Bush was a cowboy.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Zer0 on 05/02/2024 17:41:48
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States

America & Britain were, are & shall remain GREAT!

ps - if it ain't Broken,
don't try to Fix it!
(Lance)
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: varsigma on 16/02/2024 22:49:21
Well, there it is.

Donny has just lost his New York real estate business.  Judge Engoron just handed it over to a special monitor and ordered that she enlist a team of financial controllers to run it. I doubt that the Trump family is going to see much income from it, moving forward (at the end of the day, of course).

And, Trump's lawyers keep banging on about election interference, in public in front of cameras and in courtrooms.

I wonder why a judge hasn't asked a Trump lawyer to provide a list of clients they've defended, who following indictment they have advised to campaign for public office, as a "legal strategy".

One reason could be that such a list would be grounds for an appearance before the bar association, where they discuss the lawyer's future.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: alancalverd on 19/02/2024 15:58:56
Interesting that the outcome of the next US presidential election is irrelevant, since Putin owns both candidates.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Zer0 on 19/02/2024 18:44:22
Sometimes, you need to Lose little Battles, inorder to Win the final War!
(Tzu)
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: varsigma on 19/02/2024 23:22:38
The Trump is now actively marketing merch for his followers.

The gold sneakers reminds me of a Steely Dan song. The newly announced fragrances, for men, will presumably include Diaper No. 5.
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Petrochemicals on 20/02/2024 06:34:25
Sometimes, you need to Lose little Battles, inorder to Win the final War!
(Tzu)
Is that from the school of human wave attacks?
Title: Re: Trump's legal problems
Post by: Zer0 on 21/02/2024 17:51:24
Sometimes, you need to Lose little Battles, inorder to Win the final War!
(Tzu)
Is that from the school of human wave attacks?

It's from " The Art of War " .