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On the Lighter Side => Complementary Medicine => Topic started by: Uly on 11/11/2004 09:14:10
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Hi,
Has anyone tried or uses Noni Juice? Is there anywhere I can read scientific research on it?
Uly
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I've never even heard of it ! What is it ?
Chris
"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
- Groucho Marx
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Here is aomething I found about Noni.......
"ABOUT NONI JUICE:
Dr. Heinicke is regarded as the world authority on the medicinal properties of the Noni fruit. It was Dr. Heinicke who identified the active ingredient in Noni as a rare alkaloid to which he gave the name Xeronine. Noni is one of the best raw materials to use for the isolation of Xeronine (it is also found in smaller quantities in pineapple).
Green Noni (picked mature but not soft) is preferred as it contains the greatest concentrations or Xeronine and Proxeronine and also has a pleasant taste.
Proxeronine is the precursor to Xeronine, which is produced in the intestine and plays a vital role in cell function.
The fact that over the centuries most of the Pacific Islanders independently discovered Noni as an integral part of their medicine is proof of its powerful healing properties.
Xeronine is a relatively small rare alkaloid that is physiologically active in the picogram range (a picogram is one trillionth of a gram). It occurs in practically all healthy cells in plants, animals and microorganisms. However, the amount of free alkaloid is minute and is well below the limits of normal chemical analytical techniques.
Even though Noni fruits have a negligible amount of free Xeronine, they contain appreciable amounts of its precursor Proxeronine. This precursor has a relatively large molecular weight of about 16,000. In contrast to most plant colloids it does not contain sugars, amino acids or nucleic acids. Thus most biochemists have overlooked this relatively abundant molecule that occurs in most tissues.
Noni fruits also contain the inactive form of the enzyme that releases Xeronine from Proxeronine. Unless this proenzyme is properly activated, Noni Juice has few pharmacological benefits. Fortunately if Noni Juice is taken on an empty stomach, the critical proenzyme escapes digestion and enters the intestines. Here the chances are high that it may become activated and release Xeronine.
Xeronine is produced in the intestine so optimal efficacy is achieved when Noni juice is taken on an empty stomach.
Noni makes people feel better because Xeronine converts certain brain proteins into active receptor sites for endorphins, the "well-being hormones."
Noni Juice has been used for centuries by native Samoan, Hawaiian, Tahitian, and South Seas Islanders to maintain optimal health. They believe Noni to be responsible for the healing of almost anything that afflicts them, and brings them a feeling of well being. Our Polynesian Noni is processed within 6 hours of harvesting.
During 1997-98 Dr Neil Solomon, M.D., Ph.D. spent most of his time researching both the scientific and non-scientific evidence — case studies, reports from Doctors and other experts and clinical trials — involving the island fruit noni to see if and how it works. He also interviewed more than 40 Doctors and other health professionals who collectively had data representing over 8,000 people who had or were using Noni.
The following table represents Dr Solomon’s findings:
Condition # who took Noni for that condition % helped
Arthritis 673 80%
Pain 3,785 87%
Dr Solomon’s findings were consistent with other research that Noni:
Lowers high blood pressure.
Works with melatonin and serotonin to help regulate sleep, temperature and mood cycles.
Increases body energy
Acts as anti-inflammatory and anti-histaminic agent.
Alleviates pain.
Has antibacterial properties that can protect against digestive and heart damage.
Inhibits precancer function and growth of cancer tumors.
Dr Ralph Heinicke believes that the critical building block to make Xeronine is contained in Noni. Healthy people generally have adequate amounts of all of the other components in Noni except for Proxeronine, which is frequently present in only marginal amounts.
Over 50 isolated nutraceuticals have now been identified in Noni, some of the more important ones are found in the below table:
Xeronine Scopoletin Proxeronine
Morindadiol Proxeronase Rubiadin
Serotonin Magnesium Damnacanthal
Carbonate Nordamnacanthal Protien
Anthraquinones Sodium Caratenoids
Bioflavonoids Morindine Morindone
Terpenes Soranjidiol Plant Sterols
Iron Sitosterol Phosphate
Glycosides Rubiadin MME Alizarin
Acetin GlucoP Ursolic acid MM-MA-R GlucoP
Caproic acid Caprlyic acid GlucopyranosePA
Asperuloside Serotonin precursors Vitamins
Trace elements Alkaloids Enzymes
Cofactors Multi-receptor activators Chlororubin
Methionine Alanine Isoleucine
Arginine Leucine Aspartate
Lysine Cysteine Phenylalanine
Cystine Threonine Glycine
Tryptophane Glutamate Valine
Tyrosine Histadine Proline
Serine
Used for centuries as the universal health elixir, Polynesian Noni Juice is a powerful natural health tonic!
Suggested Use:
Shake well. Take 15 — 30 ml mixed in fruit juice or taken by itself on an empty stomach hour before a meal once a day (preferably before breakfast).
Pure Noni juice has the taste of some bitter herbs that if they taste that bad, they have to be good for you. You can add 15-30 to your favourite juice to disguise the taste if you desire."
Uly
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[:D][8D]Regarding Noni:
Hello, I've heard nothing but positive information on it as an immunological boost, memory enhancer, physical perfomance enhancer, etc. The literature is out there. I've seen it on ebid.tv too, very, very good price![:D][:D]
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[8D]Here's a great link to the Real Scientific Literature:
file:///D:/Work/Noni/Regulatory%20for%20Canada/Literature/nonimain.html
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Sorry,
Here's the Scientific Literature link:
http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/nonimain.html
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Originally posted by Uly
Hi,
Has anyone tried or uses Noni Juice? Is there anywhere I can read scientific research on it?
Uly
I have begun analyzing the merit of products like Ambrotose and Noni. I ran across recently an infomercial that promotes a new marine-based product, Sea Vegg. I’ve experienced myself USANA supplements and Barley Green or Barley Life. There are many more including Mangosteen, green teas, etc. And, many more are coming on the scene daily.
So how do you pick what is going to help you? How do you sort out the authentic from the hype? They all say that they will do wonders replete with personal testimonies. What do we do, toss a coin? If they are all so great, shouldn't we be taking a combination of these products? The expense would be prohibitive. Surely there is something that does just about everything for a reasonable price.
At this point, I have drawn some preliminary conclusions:
1. A lot of these products do have something to offer
2. Certainly, some of the testimonies are biased and placebo effect in nature
3. There may truly be some science or reason supporting these products
4. A lot are being produced and distributed by opportunists with half truths
5. A lot may be look-alike products of far inferior quality and value
6. Some piggyback on a good idea drawing people with extra ingredients
7. Many have only a narrow focus and are not complete in themselves
8. Some may be fairly complete in themselves but missing something vital
9. Some rely on the premise that science trumps natural
10. Some may be haphazardly thrown together to the point of bearing unwholesome components
I see Noni, Mangosteen, and the barley grass extraction products fitting category #8 (only seaweeds have fucoidan), Sea Vegg filling the bill for categories #5 and #4, USANA fitting into category #9 and Ambrotose into categories #7 and #9. The problem with us trying to decide what to get is our getting reeled in with a narrow focus. With Ambrotose, we are taught this and that about how important the miracle sugars are. Well, I am sure that Ambrotose fills the bill in categories #1 and #3. But, one must not forget that this hot item is not all the body needs. Also, one needs to be aware that the body produces these miracle sugars on its own when in a healthy state.
The product warranting solid consideration should have the following characteristics:
1. Something, of course, to offer
2. Strong science and research supporting it
3. Top quality and quality controls
4. Complete in itself as much as possible
5. Responsible and solid business program with laser focus
6. No signs of deception and hype
Rita Elkins' book, Limu Moui, about the seaweed limu moui, gives a long list of reasons with references as to the amazing value of a worthwhile extract of limu moui. Ambrotose has the science of eight glyconutrients backing it, but it does not have probably the greatest of all glyconutrients, fucoidan. The only reliable and most effective source is Original Limu.
Unlike Ambrotose, Original Limu doesn’t have just one set of nutrients as with just a few sugars that the body can already make for itself if it is fit, which is what Original Limu helps achieve. Original Limu has a whole spectrum of critical components needed for health including all the minerals including trace elements in colloidal form from the pristine pure sea water of the Tongan Islands that nourishes the plant, limu moui, from which Original Limu is derived in a non-chemical proprietary extract formulation that required over 15 years of development for optimal potency and value. Original Limu has several of Ambrotose’s miracle sugars, glyconutrients, besides the key one, fucoidan, on its own – galactose, mannose, and xylose, but, again, these can be manufactured by the body if the body is healthy as is available through Original Limu more than any other supplement product, in my opinion. Original Limu also has seventeen amino acids including glycoproteins, a wide range of essential and nonessential fatty acids, a broad range of vitamins, a variety of polyphenols as antioxidants, and more. To me, this is a product produced by the Creator and not by puffed-up man except for direction in tapping the nutrients through a carefully designed extraction process.
Confirmation of my choice is becoming more and more obvious with products coming out of the woodwork fitting into preliminary conclusion categories #4, #5, and #6. Sea Vegg is merely a tiny capsule of chopped up dried seaweed from a not particularly pure region of the ocean with claims of fucoidan but unoptimized and miniscule in comparision to Original Limu. There are others that are going to the cupboard trying to add something to distract fucoidan seekers from the one, the only, the original – Original Limu.
I do not mean to knock other products but I hate to see people deceived with hype and trickery and sleight-of-hand distractions and wind up throwing their money away, but worse, building up false hopes with substandard or unoptimized products. Some people are coming upon their last days and cannot waste their time on mediocre or all-hype, no-substance products. Original Limu has no rival and it is essential that the people of our land learn about it ASAP.
Just as one's finger can heal itself, so can the rest of the body correct its maladies, given the necessary catalysts, enzymes, antioxidants, and building blocks for which the body was designed. Allowing the body to heal itself, in fact, is the basis of medicine according to the Father of Modern Day Medicine, Hippocrates whose two key teachings seem to be ignored in our modern times of “above all, do no harm” and “let food be your medicine and medicine be your food.” I am no doctor and cannot prescribe, diagnose, treat or cure anything, but my common sense, as supported by Hippocrates, tells me that Original Limu is an extraordinary food for helping the body overcome health challenges that beset it. I've rattled on enough now but would be happy to answer any additional question at my email address tfbail@sbcglobal.net
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Thanks.
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Just a bit more info regarding this supposed miracle product "Limu Moui". http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00976.html
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8125-839405,00.html
By Dr Toby Murcott
HOW COULD NONI JUICE HELP ARTHRITIS?
Several studies suggest that noni juice can reduce inflammation. Rheumatoid arthritis is an inflammation of the joints, so anything that can soothe inflammation will probably ease the pain. One study indicates that something in noni juice may affect the immune system. As arthritis is a disease of the immune system, it could help to improve the condition as well.
WHAT IS IN IT THAT COULD BE USEFUL?
The fruit contains unusual compounds that may be biologically active, though it is impossible to say whether they would be good, bad or indifferent. Noni juice is promoted as being a rich source of the chemical xeronine, which its proponents claim is a powerful healing agent. Xeronine was discovered by Dr Ralph Heinicke while he was studying pineapples in the 1950s. He is convinced of its healing powers and has spent years studying its properties.
SO IS XERONINE A WONDER DRUG?
Possibly, but there is little mention of it outside Dr Heinicke’s work and the claims made by noni juice producers. A search through a number of research databases failed to find any mention of xeronine. Professor Richard Mithen, the head of Plant Foods for Health Protection at the Institute of Food Research, had not heard of xeronine and could find no scientific papers describing it. Mithen believes, however, that noni juice is a good source of antioxidants, which are known to help protect against cancer. All fruits contain antioxidants and Mithen could see no evidence that noni juice is any better for you than orange juice.
IS SCIENCE IGNORING NONI’S POWERS?
Not necessarily, it just hasn’t turned up anything yet. There are a few studies that have looked at extracts of noni fruit, including one that appears to kill TB bacterium. Many successful drugs, such as aspirin, quinine and tamoxifen, the breast cancer drug, come from plants, yet so far no noni-based drugs have been identified. Without more research it is unlikely that Western medicine will see noni as anything more than an exotic fruit juice.
Dr Toby Murcott is a former BBC science correspondent
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Dear Toby
thanks for that comprehensive overview of the history of Noni juice. Nature has proved itself time and time again as an excellent pharmacist - see Davina Stevenson's article about natural products and remedies (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/articles/article/davinacolumn2.htm) for more information.
I agree with the points you have raised above, but obviously the placebo effect [;)] will have a role to play here too. For instance, just take a look at the thousands of reads that the 'zetacap' miracle weight loss thread (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1867) has received. Users there are all ecstatic that they have shed 100 pounds...all of it from their wallets...
Thanks once again for the input.
Chris
Indicentally, aspirin isn't actually a natural product. Its relative 'salicin' (salicylic acid) is the agent isolated from Willow bark but it causes significant gastric irritation. A young chemist called Felix Hoffman, working for Bayer in Germany in the 1890s, decided to tweak the formula of salicin after his father developed side effects whilst using it for joint pain. Hoffman added a short chain comprising 2 carbon atoms and 5 hydrogen atoms to the side of the salicin benzene ring structure. The result was acetyl-salicylic acid (ASA), a trademark (Aspirin) and sales boom for Bayer, and fewer stomach ulcers for users!
More about how Aspirin works (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=956)
"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
- Groucho Marx
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I view noni juice more like a normal drink that comes with a lottery ticket. Maybe one day noni juice will help you stay healthy, but if it doesn't have scientific proof it is still a good conversation starter with friends and always a fun debate :).
<a href="http://noni.special.eu.com">noni juice info</a>
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I view noni juice more like a normal drink that comes with a lottery ticket. Maybe one day noni juice will help you stay healthy, but if it doesn't have scientific proof it is still a good conversation starter with friends and always a fun debate :).
http://noni.special.eu.com
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Truthseeker, that link you provided was one of the things that increased my interest in limu. 2.7 million dollars is a lot of money, and a lot of value to place on a product that is clearly a threat to the FDA and the conventional medical industry - and this even though limu is a food supplement that does not constitute medical treatment!
I've done quite a bit of research on the limu story, and the original formula that cannot be duplicated by other companies. Even though the company destroyed the 2.7 million dollars worth of product, the business and production has begun again. That says a lot, as far as I'm concerned. I'm currently personally testing the product before deciding whether I should make a career distributing with the company.
I also found it interesting that the company mentioned in the link was affiliated with Puritan's Pride, from whom I have obtained supplements for over 25 years.
~Au Contrarienne~
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Hello to all!
Has anybody heard about Costa Rican Noni?
Somebody told me that, since it's grown on vulcanic soils, it has better qualities than the others...
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Not sure about that...but just tried Noni chews...very good for energy boost...just an fyi!
"Lo" Loretta
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I just found this interesting...
On August 26, 1998, the Attorneys General of Arizona, California, New Jersey, and Texas announced a multi-state settlement with Morinda, Inc., a multilevel company headquartered in Linden, Utah. The states had charged that Morinda had made unsubstantiated claims in consumer testimonials and other promotional material that its "Tahitian Noni" juice could treat, cure or prevent numerous diseases, including diabetes, depression, hemorrhoids and arthritis. Such claims rendered the beverage an unapproved new drug under state and federal food and drug laws and should not have been sold until it received approval.
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I am reading a "forensic novel" called "Natural Causes" by Michael Palmer (Random House) in which it is claimed that Noni (Morinda citrifolia) contains powerful anti-clotting agents and therfore should be used with caution, etc, etc. This sems to be supported by the Wikipedia entry for Morinda citrifolia, which may be where Mr. Palmer got his information...
The same can be said of Comfrey (Symphytum officinale, I suppose.
Has anyone encountered this "anti-clotting" activity in noni jiuce??
Ein guter Stolperner fällt nicht
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I just found this interesting...
On August 26, 1998, the Attorneys General of Arizona, California, New Jersey, and Texas announced a multi-state settlement with Morinda, Inc., a multilevel company headquartered in Linden, Utah. The states had charged that Morinda had made unsubstantiated claims in consumer testimonials and other promotional material that its "Tahitian Noni" juice could treat, cure or prevent numerous diseases, including diabetes, depression, hemorrhoids and arthritis. Such claims rendered the beverage an unapproved new drug under state and federal food and drug laws and should not have been sold until it received approval.
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I am reading a "forensic novel" called "Natural Causes" by Michael Palmer (Random House) in which it is claimed that Noni (Morinda citrifolia) contains powerful anti-clotting agents and therfore should be used with caution, etc, etc. This sems to be supported by the Wikipedia entry for Morinda citrifolia, which may be where Mr. Palmer got his information...
The same can be said of Comfrey (Symphytum officinale, I suppose.
Has anyone encountered this "anti-clotting" activity in noni jiuce??
Ein guter Stolperner fällt nicht
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I have tried the noni juice...the taste was not very good. I recently stumbled upon noni fruit leather, that is very palatable. NONI FRUIT LEATHER and LAVENDER NONI LOTION make ideal first-aid kits for home, car, purse, pocket or pack, and need no refrigeration.
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