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On the Lighter Side => That CAN'T be true! => Topic started by: Seth???????? on 17/08/2017 01:21:56
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Evolution is fictitious and can be easily debunked ...
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Debating me is futile I hope everyone with intelligence should confirm but I am here to scientifically prove to any believers in the subject that they should turn about face and research science instead of myth...
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What do you mean when you say "evolution"? There are a lot of people who mistakenly think that the evolution of the Universe at large (The Big Bang, star formation, planetary condensation, etc.) is the same thing as biological evolution (or at the very least is somehow connected with it in such a way that they both somehow "require" each other).
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Debating me is futile I hope everyone with intelligence should confirm but I am here to scientifically prove to any believers in the subject that they should turn about face and research science instead of myth...
Please go ahead. I enjoy scientific "proofs". I presume you intend to falsify the ToE. Have at it.
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You can't scientifically prove things. You can however falsify things. It is only in mathematics that you can prove things. Still I am paying attention so carry on.
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What do you mean when you say "evolution"? There are a lot of people who mistakenly think that the evolution of the Universe at large (The Big Bang, star formation, planetary condensation, etc.) is the same thing as biological evolution (or at the very least is somehow connected with it in such a way that they both somehow "require" each other).
evolution from a microorganism to any other species period...
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To begin, I'm not in English comp and do not intend on gaining unknown scientific data from you. Laws of physics government the state of universe ...thermodynamics has an arrow that runs spacetime through expansion of matter in a dimension, however entropy** by said [LAW ] IS known to increase with time...if that doesn't debunk evolution and ideas of things becoming something they are not... idc if you date back to before thia hit earth bugs don't turn into zebras an d I didn't come from uncielleular evolution
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To begin, I'm not in English comp and do not intend on gaining unknown scientific data from you. Laws of physics government the state of universe ...thermodynamics has an arrow that runs spacetime through expansion of matter in a dimension, however entropy** by said [LAW ] IS known to increase with time...if that doesn't debunk evolution and ideas of things becoming something they are not... idc if you date back to before thia hit earth bugs don't turn into zebras an d I didn't come from uncielleular evolution
I've heard all of this before...
The net entropy of the Universe must increase over time, yes. However, that doesn't prevent local areas of the Universe from experiencing a decrease in entropy so long as another area experiences a corresponding increase in entropy. Living organisms themselves are a perfect example. Plants take disorganized, low potential energy matter (carbon dioxide, water and minerals) and turn it into organized, high potential energy matter (sugars, cellulose, leaves and wood). The energy in sunlight is what allows them to fight entropy. The energy in sunlight comes from reactions in the Sun that greatly increase entropy, much more than offsetting the entropy decrease created by the plants. If it was impossible for entropy to decrease at all, ever, then life would not be able to exist at all because plants would not be able to photosynthesize nor would organisms be able to grow.
Also, the theory of evolution never claimed that bugs turned into zebras. That's a straw-man argument.
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Evolution is fictitious and can be easily debunked ...
Debating me is futile I hope everyone with intelligence should confirm but I am here to scientifically prove to any believers in the subject that they should turn about face and research science instead of myth...
hmmm... do I smell a troll?
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Debating me is futile
Well, someone ought to close the thread then.
BTW, you don't understand entropy. It only increases for closed systems. Biology isn't one.
Your "explanation" of why evolution is impossible is based on an incorrect interpretation.
So, yes, you are right, there's no point debating it.
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hmmm... do I smell a troll?
I suspect so. Especially as s/he has said elsewhere that s/he isn't reading other folks' posts.
Plus, as BC points out, knowledge of science is lacking.
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One of the keys of life is connected to the interaction of water with organics. For example, say we started with water and oil and mixed the two to increase this system entropy. If we stop mixing, the entropy we added would spontaneously reverse and decrease as the water and oil separate back into two layers. The formation of all the organelle in cells work by the same principle; water and oil affect, turning random into order with a decrease in entropy. All proteins in cells fold with exact folds triggered by the water and oil affect.
Evolution is connected to the second law. Evolution helps to modify the organics, so the water and oil affect cannot net reverse entropy. For example, even though water will still fold protein with perfect folds, these protein surfaces become catalytic allowing entropy to increase via the active chemical reactions. Water by creating order creates an entropy potential; potential for entropy to increase, which evolution expresses with higher reaction efficiency so more entropy can be created as offset.
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In chemistry, entropy is a state variable, which means for given any state of chemical matter there is a fixed amount of entropy. For example, the entropy of liquid water is 6.6177 J ˣ mol-1 ˣ K-1 (25 °C). This number would be measured the same by any lab. It is a constant. It is not a random number but is constant for this state.
In terms of evolution, the water-oil affect lowers the entropy of organic materials into given states. Proteins will fold with unique folds which define a fixed amount of entropy. Since the entropy of the universe has to increase, increases in cellular entropy, implies change into new states with fixed but higher amounts of entropy.
To many people think entropy means randomness. That is a bias assumption due to an approximation method called statistics, which is not real, but helps to solve complex problems.
Evolution is ordered with respect to entropy because entropy has to increase, with entropy a state variable. It has to evolve into increasing entropic states, while being resisted by the water-oil affect which attempts to lower entropy to lower entropic states.
The analogy is we have oil and water. We add entropy by mixing. This is not permanent, since once we stop mixing water and oil separate out. Randomness is temporary. Since the entropy has to increase we need to eventually form a new final state, so entropy can racket up a notch, and water can't make it go backwards. Next time we mix we add something like phosphate tails to the oil molecules, so it does not separate into two layers. Now it has evolved to a higher state of fixed entropy.
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Crackpots of the world unite,
Our limit is the skies;
Won’t they be pissed if we are right,
And win a Nobel Prize?
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Evolution is fictitious and can be easily debunked ...
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