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Title: One less reason for hanging onto windows 7?
Post by: syhprum on 03/01/2021 13:33:00
Windows 7 had a facilaty to play tunes from an android device onto your PC but in their moves to thin down windows 10 they removed it but now they have replaced it in a rather roundabout way.
(not as a normal extension !)
Title: Re: One less reason for hanging onto windows 7?
Post by: charles1948 on 05/01/2021 19:40:11
Windows 7 had a facilaty to play tunes from an android device onto your PC but in their moves to thin down windows 10 they removed it but now they have replaced it in a rather roundabout way.
(not as a normal extension !)

I'm still using Windows-7.  It  continues to work OK.  A while ago there were reports that it would stop getting support from Microsoft.  I have noticed that the number of "Updates" seems to have dwindled.  In the old days, every time I booted-up, there was an annoying delay while new "Updates" were "Installed" and "Configured".

This happens less often nowadays. Is that good?

Title: Re: One less reason for hanging onto windows 7?
Post by: evan_au on 06/01/2021 10:34:34
Microsoft support for Windows 7 ended in January 2020.
- You will become increasingly subject to malicious attacks, as more vulnerabilities become known to the hacker community
- Time to upgrade, I'm afraid...
See: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/windows/end-of-windows-7-support
 
Title: Re: One less reason for hanging onto windows 7?
Post by: chris on 06/01/2021 12:17:43
- Time to upgrade, I'm afraid...

@evan_au is absolutely right, and this has never been more critical than now with so much of our lives moving online and such heavy reliance on IT; online crime now massively outpaces traditional "street" crime in value terms, and old, vulnerable software is easy to target at mass scale and low cost / risk for malicious actors.

I would strongly urge you to upgrade - it's still free to do so.

Or switch to linux, which is always free, much safer and actually allows you to control your computer properly when you want to...
Title: Re: One less reason for hanging onto windows 7?
Post by: charles1948 on 08/01/2021 18:57:08
Thanks Evan and Chris.  I carried on using Windows-7, because I thought that if it stopped being supported by Microsoft, I'd get a message from Microsoft saying so.

But I didn't get any message like that, so I assumed it was OK to keep using it.

Now that you have put me straight, I'll follow your advice and upgrade.

Thanks again!

Title: Re: One less reason for hanging onto windows 7?
Post by: JaimsGrunt1 on 08/07/2021 12:20:44
In any way you will upgrade you windows 7 soon, because luck of supporting
Title: Re: One less reason for hanging onto windows 7?
Post by: nicephotog on 22/10/2021 05:23:49
OF ALL THINGS... !!! Here IS a reason to not hold onto Win 7

One of my biggest problems of learning web programming is "documentation", i keep a 1TB portable disc to carry what is over the past 10 years around 500Gb of documentation and to a minor extent of it the required current programs.

The trouble begins with the word (a piece of programming jargon) "SNAPSHOT".
A snapshot is the collective of documents and source code at that moment.

To quickly get to the reason as simplicity first, it relates collecting the achieved operative work source code snapshot by copying it to disc, usually through a hardware detachable port onto private detachable disc is most common rather than an actual version directory (CVS) databasing.

Using windows 7 , it is too slow !

It is too slow, NOT because of the hardware bus and CPU rating, but because the quantity of core management in multi core use by the operating system is much too old and will even to 2020 had little assisted support to put into the OS as bugs are determined.
E.G. You would be better using a single core P3 with Win 7 than using as much as a dual core Celeron !

I know all this as sure because the internet cafe i go to uses quad core cpu's and win 7.
It required to carry out the SNAPSHOT to USB disc of my coding and compiling on many of its machines.
I bought a 4gb dual core Celeron laptop with Windows 10 and copied the exact same quantity of files and size of snapshot work onto USB and the Celeron Laptop was almost disappointing except it only takes comparatively around 3-4 minutes for over 8000 files, however, with battery power it reluctant to burst.
With the Desktop internet cafe quad core Win 7 that takes at least 10 minutes to the same USB(i know some USB are faster or slower but these are all usb 3.0 and ports).
Now a horrid moment in the story, the 4gb Celeron dual core laptop was stolen, so i saved and borrowed the bulk from relatives and got an 8 GB Pentium quad core (the last lowest level to not be a Celeron) Win 10 Laptop and found it could copy to USB everything as before at a rational speed for around 40 Mb(megabyte) of 8000 files in the project in under a minute.

It is because the threading management of the CPU in Win 7 causes a dual or quad core to be around burning out only one core while the others gather dust. You can adjust the executable using affinity but Win 7 is simply an extremely old error prone bugged unsupported OS not suitable to modern CPU.

Just adding one final note, the dual core Celeron with Win 10 was only quite fast enough on a 1 gb single file at copying to stop me going to the kettle to boil it and have a coffee , but everything to that time that i had was win 7 and its a smoke and a coffee to copy to USB, inclusive old p3 and early dual core around the time of Win 7 !

Sorting documents from backup to a freshly prepared OS as millions of individual files takes weeks on systems older than Win 10 and quad core.

copying the following to USB as a ready information portable source takes quite some time

jdk-8-docs
358.2 MiB (375,623,790)
14,861 files, 913 sub-folders

java-tutorial-2012
257.5 MiB (269,999,520)
12,586 files, 2,575 sub-folders

------  below:  the snapshots from hell to copy to usb from a quad core with Win 7

apache-tomcat-10.0.12-src
60.4 MiB (63,354,604)
8,476 files, 926 sub-folders


(C)XXIII-AUGUSTUS-MMXXI-HttpOutPutTools(version-Hell-Pig-Entelodonts)22ndOct2021
30.0 MiB (31,468,369)
195 files, 85 sub-folders