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Title: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 21/04/2022 12:34:55
Hi. I found how to remove rust using electric field. There is ultrasound rust removals, electrolysis rust removals, and now will be electric field rust removals.

Electric field rust removals are the same as electrolysis rust removals, only that electrodes are outside the water tank.
This makes all this big water wall isolation capacitor. For the purpose, hope you understood my expression.

Need high frequency, high voltage. I used 120V, 60Hz AC and it worked. After 15min you start to see rust coming off the metal in form of a could, like a smoke comes off the metal.

Another unusual effect that, rust removed only from ferromagnetic material, dielectric and paramagnetic don't react with capacitor field surrounded by water.

Now I will try to boost it with microwave transformer to see the effects, and not only the transformer, hope it works.. And also I want to try extract hydrogen and oxygen this way. If it works, if it works, will be no longer need of catalyzer plates. Can be used small peace's or granules. This way might be better than electrolysis.

Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/04/2022 15:11:12
You can not use water as the insulator in a capacitor.*
It is a (poor) conductor.
Since you do not seem to know what you are doing, I suggest you get better advice before playing with higher voltages.


* well.. you can at very high frequencies but that's not relevant here.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 21/04/2022 15:58:36
yeah, I can. I just did it.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 21/04/2022 15:59:02
and, it worked.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: paul cotter on 21/04/2022 18:34:14
I am horrified by the trend of people who have no real grasp of science messing around with microwave oven tranformers. somebody will die. the voltage involved backed by high current delivery is absolutely lethal.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 21/04/2022 18:47:18
I am horrified by the trend of people who have no real grasp of science messing around with microwave oven tranformers. somebody will die. the voltage involved backed by high current delivery is absolutely lethal.

I didnt try microwave, yet. But I will, as soon as I get together all of the protection I need.

But I know how to make oil using a microwave, that oil is used to make biodiesel.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 21/04/2022 18:47:55
In my understanding electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations. Depending on vibrations u get different results. different names for electrons.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/04/2022 19:00:20
In my understanding electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations.
In reality, it is not.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 21/04/2022 19:13:54
In my understanding electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations.
In reality, it is not.

Why. No one have any other proof.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/04/2022 19:26:43
In my understanding electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations.
In reality, it is not.

Why. No one have any other proof.

Have you looked?
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 21/04/2022 19:33:41
In my understanding electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations.
In reality, it is not.



Why. No one have any other proof.

Have you looked?

yes.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/04/2022 20:57:35
And where did you see evidence that "electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations."?
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: evan_au on 21/04/2022 22:55:52
Quote from: vdblnkr34
electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations
Does this sound like a layman's interpretation of quantum field theory?
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Eternal Student on 21/04/2022 23:25:24
Hi.

Does this sound like a layman's interpretation of quantum field theory?
    Possibly.

    Someone said water and electricity and also taking the transformer out of a microwave oven.  I think I just closed my eyes and stopped reading after that.    @vdblnkr34  you probably shouldn't be trying this at home.

Best Wishes.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 23/04/2022 01:05:13
Its always good to test something in microwave, or using microwave transformer. Experimenting with microwave I found out how to make biodiesel from car tires.  8)
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/04/2022 11:13:47
Experimenting with microwave I found out how to make biodiesel from car tires. 
No, you did not.
You might have found a way to produce some oily stuff that will fuel a diesel engine.
But it is not biodiesel, essentially because it isn't "bio".
Also, unless you found a mechanism to remove the sulphur, what you have is something that will corrode the engine.

Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 23/04/2022 12:49:47
No. i did not, still looking how to do that. I have seen the picture how removed in the past, on the factories, but cant repeat at home.

The only thing I found is that sulphur easier to be removed while this oil is vapor.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 23/04/2022 13:36:50
And where did you see evidence that "electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations."?

Not much.
Experiments with electric impulses. The way electricity travels, reacts to isolated materials.

Example:
A tiny electric impulse was send through the metal ring, than something split impulse into two equal impulses, when two impulses reach the other side and met, they canceled themselves immediately.

Long time ago voltage or current (not sure) was electronic pressure.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/04/2022 13:50:06
No. i did not, still looking how to do that.
And , since biodiesel has to have less than 10 ppm of sulphur, you did not make biodiesel.

So why did you tell this lie?

I found out how to make biodiesel from car tires.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/04/2022 13:51:02
Not much.
Experiments with electric impulses. The way electricity travels, reacts to isolated materials.

Example:
A tiny electric impulse was send through the metal ring, than something split impulse into two equal impulses, when two impulses reach the other side and met, they canceled themselves immediately.
That is gibberish.
Can you show pictures of the experiment and the results?
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 23/04/2022 13:52:11
No. i did not, still looking how to do that.
And , since biodiesel has to have less than 10 ppm of sulphur, you did not make biodiesel.

So why did you tell this lie?

I found out how to make biodiesel from car tires.

I did, with the sulphur. Small amount.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 23/04/2022 13:52:37
In my understanding electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations.
In reality, it is not.

Why. No one have any other proof.

Have you looked?

Not much.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 23/04/2022 13:54:32
Quote from: vdblnkr34
electricity is a some kind of movable vibrations
Does this sound like a layman's interpretation of quantum field theory?

Might be electricity is the bridge between quantum world and world of physics?
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 23/04/2022 14:00:17
Not much.
Experiments with electric impulses. The way electricity travels, reacts to isolated materials.

Example:
A tiny electric impulse was send through the metal ring, than something split impulse into two equal impulses, when two impulses reach the other side and met, they canceled themselves immediately.
That is gibberish.
Can you show pictures of the experiment and the results?

I read this approximately 10 years ago from electric experiments forum. I have seen the pictures and oscillator. If I find this thread again,  I will.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/04/2022 14:16:43
No. i did not, still looking how to do that.
And , since biodiesel has to have less than 10 ppm of sulphur, you did not make biodiesel.

So why did you tell this lie?

I found out how to make biodiesel from car tires.

I did, with the sulphur. Small amount.
If it has sulphur in it, then it is not biodiesel.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 23/04/2022 14:22:01
need to remove sulphur and test it in the lab.

Its possible to make biodiesel of any oil. Not only cooking oil, basically any oil, even engine oil will do.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/04/2022 15:31:39
need to remove sulphur and test it in the lab.

Its possible to make biodiesel of any oil. Not only cooking oil, basically any oil, even engine oil will do.
So, you do not understand what "bio" means.
Why not look it up, rather than continuing to make a fool of yourself?
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 24/04/2022 01:38:45
Real explorers not afraid of being look like a fool.  8)
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/04/2022 10:20:59
Real explorers not afraid of being look like a fool.  8)
Sure, but what you are doing is the equivalent of exploring the arctic in shorts and a t shirt.
Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 24/04/2022 14:13:14
Not really. I do it from around the corner. Safety first. The most important part is that experiments has positive result.

I have a question about the oil with sulphur in it.

Can i treat it with the hydrogen gas? Or any metal that react with sulphur?

Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/04/2022 14:25:39
The most important part is that experiments has positive result.
Some of the most important experiments in the world had negative results- for example the Michelson Morley experiment.

Title: Re: Can rust be removed by an electric field?
Post by: Origin on 24/04/2022 14:55:16
The most important part is that experiments has positive result.
As Bored chemist alluded to, a well crafted experiment has results that are clearly positive or clearly negative.  An experiment that has ambiguous result is the only bad experiment.  In my career the most enlightening experiment I ever ran completely killed my hypothesis, but saved me a lot of wasted time, effort and money.