[Black hole (OP)]

1. So... Photons lack mass
   

Where do you get the impression from that Photons do not have mass ? The Sun is a huge ''ball'' of photons and the Sun has mass . If you add photons to a block a metal , the block gains mass .
Perhaps you need to learn physics before you make such statements ?

[Aeris]

1. So... Photons lack mass
   

Where do you get the impression from that Photons do not have mass ? The Sun is a huge ''ball'' of photons and the Sun has mass . If you add photons to a block a metal , the block gains mass .
Perhaps you need to learn physics before you make such statements ?

Ummm... the Sun's made out of Plasma buddy, not Photons. It merely radiates the energy it generates from the Nuclear Fusion processes happening in its core as Photons (and other cool stuff such as Gamma Rays and UV).

Also, yes shoving a bunch of Photons onto some metal will make it heavier. That wasn't what I was asking. I was asking how light was able to move matter (like metal) through momentum which I didn't know the location it borrowed it from.

[Black hole (OP)]

1. So... Photons lack mass
   

Where do you get the impression from that Photons do not have mass ? The Sun is a huge ''ball'' of photons and the Sun has mass . If you add photons to a block a metal , the block gains mass .
Perhaps you need to learn physics before you make such statements ?

Ummm... the Sun's made out of Plasma buddy, not Photons. It merely radiates the energy it generates from the Nuclear Fusion processes happening in its core as Photons (and other cool stuff such as Gamma Rays and UV).

Also, yes shoving a bunch of Photons onto some metal will make it heavier. That wasn't what I was asking. I was asking how light was able to move matter (like metal) through momentum which I didn't know the location it borrowed it from.

The Sun glows if you haven't noticed and it emits itself in the form of photons .  You stated in your question that photons have no mass which I have corrected you on . EMR is photons and can push light sails around space because the photons apply mass pressure on the sail causing momentum . Plasma is actually photon density that glows too . Without photons you wouldn't see the plasma ! Additionally Plasma has more density the sun , the sun is more like molten lava and the colour we observe shows this . Plasma is much more towards 450nm frequency .

[Kryptid]

The Sun is made almost entirely of hydrogen and helium plasma. That is very different from lava (which is much cooler, a liquid, and contains mostly silicate-bearing minerals).

[Black hole (OP)]

The Sun is made almost entirely of hydrogen and helium plasma. That is very different from lava (which is much cooler, a liquid, and contains mostly silicate-bearing minerals).

The frequency of light emitted by the Sun is not 450nm or lower which plasma generates . I know the Sun is very different than Lava but that does not excuse the fact that the Sun is neither nothing like Plasma . Additionally the Suns molecular make up  is only theory and not absolute fact , we have never been to the Sun to gain a sample of its molecular components .
The wave lengths of light emitted from the Sun are not the same as Plasma therefore it is very unlikely the Sun is a ball of Plasma . Perhaps if the magnetic bottling of space-time increased in magnitude , then the Sun indeed may be compressed into a denser form and emit ''blue light'' 450nm or lower .

[Kryptid]

The frequency of light emitted by the Sun is not 450nm or lower which plasma generates .

That depends upon the temperature of the plasma in question.

that does not excuse the fact that the Sun is neither nothing like Plasma .

It's a hot, ionized gas. That's plasma, by definition.

Additionally the Suns molecular make up  is only theory

"Only theory" is a misunderstanding of what scientific theory is.

we have never been to the Sun to gain a sample of its molecular components .

We don't have to. We can not only sample the solar wind but also deduce its composition from its spectrum.

The wave lengths of light emitted from the Sun are not the same as Plasma

Citation needed.

Perhaps if the magnetic bottling of space-time increased in magnitude

That doesn't make sense.

[Black hole (OP)]

It's a hot, ionized gas. That's plasma, by definition.

By strict definition ?

Citation needed.

White light is a mixture of frequencies ! Do I really need to chase up citations for you when quite apparent to our own vision the Sun is orange looking to our own vision ?
What frequency is orange ?
The Sun must emit orange light ?



 

Perhaps if the magnetic bottling of space-time increased in magnitude

That doesn't make sense.

Perhaps not at this time but it will become apparent the longer I decide to stay on this forum !

[Kryptid]

By strict definition ?

That's one of the definitions. Another definition is any material with an "electron sea", in which case solid metals are plasmas as well.

White light is a mixture of frequencies !

I never said otherwise.

Do I really need to chase up citations for you when quite apparent to our own vision the Sun is orange looking to our own vision ?

It's not really orange. It's much closer to white.

Perhaps not at this time but it will become apparent the longer I decide to stay on this forum !

I have my doubts.

[Black hole (OP)]

That's one of the definitions. Another definition is any material with an "electron sea", in which case solid metals are plasmas as well.

I would describe Plasma as a highly dense state of light formed by kinetic actions . Which neither orange or white would describe . I think you'd probably prefer if I used term black body radiation ? A mass of photons so dense that they became visually dark in appearance (black).

In theory to achieve that , the centripetal force applied on the event would have to be a magnetic field of equal density .

Sorry, perhaps I should start a thread on the beginners guide to Plasma physics to save interrupting this lovely thread?

[Kryptid]

I would describe Plasma as a highly dense state of light formed by kinetic actions .

Then your description is wrong.

In theory to achieve that , the centripetal force applied on the event would have to be a magnetic field of equal density .

I see that you aren't making any more sense than you were the last time you graced our forums.

[Black hole (OP)]

I would describe Plasma as a highly dense state of light formed by kinetic actions .

Then your description is wrong.

Plasma is an higher density form of energy ! Perhaps you rely too much on google search rather than actually talking to physics professors ?

In theory to achieve that , the centripetal force applied on the event would have to be a magnetic field of equal density .

I see that you aren't making any more sense than you were the last time you graced our forums.

My first and my last visit if you are going to start to be rude and making accusations !

[Kryptid]

Plasma is an higher density form of energy

No, it isn't. Here's the dictionary.com definition: "an ionized gas consisting of positive ions and free electrons in proportions resulting in more or less no overall electric charge"

If you think you are correct, then cite a source to support your definition.

My first and my last visit if you are going to start to be rude and making accusations !

How stupid do you think I am? Your particular brand of nonsense has a very particular flavor to it.

[Black hole (OP)]

Plasma is an higher density form of energy

No, it isn't. Here's the dictionary.com definition: "an ionized gas consisting of positive ions and free electrons in proportions resulting in more or less no overall electric charge"

If you think you are correct, then cite a source to support your definition.

My first and my last visit if you are going to start to be rude and making accusations !

How stupid do you think I am? Your particular brand of nonsense has a very particular flavor to it.

Dear sir , I do not think you are stupid at all so please do not take offense .

Physicists try their best to advance physics , we do not sit around just quoting stereotypical information . Please forgive me for my arrogance but some of this you may of not heard before !

I mentioned Black body radiation , it is not the same subject as Wikipedia black body radiation !

In plasma physics an infinitesimally small point can be occupied by infinite photons . Theoretically we would observe a black body of radiation , so highly dense even light wouldn't escape and so hot because of the potential energy it would power an entire visual universe .

Now do I have your interest ?



 

[Kryptid]

In plasma physics an infinitesimally small point can be occupied by infinite photons

Photons have a finite size.

Theoretically we would observe a black body of radiation , so highly dense even light wouldn't escape

That's called a black hole.

[Kryptid]

Actually in this instant it is called a black body radiation !

No, it's not.

Not knowing at this time  whether an infinite amount of photons occupying the same infinitesimally small point , will have any potential gravitational influence on its surroundings .

It will. It will have infinite gravity because it will have infinite mass.

[alancalverd]

Physicists try their best to advance physics , we do not sit around just quoting stereotypical information .

On what planet are you considered to be a physicist?

[Kryptid]

On what planet are you considered to be a physicist?

Planet "Thebox", probably.

[Black hole (OP)]

Actually in this instant it is called a black body radiation !

No, it's not.

I've already explained in a previous post that it IS NOT the same black body radiation as Wikipedia !

Didn't you read that part ?

Yes it is called a black body radiation because it would be dark in appearance due to the density and of course light is electromagnetic radiation .

Not knowing at this time  whether an infinite amount of photons occupying the same infinitesimally small point , will have any potential gravitational influence on its surroundings .

It will. It will have infinite gravity because it will have infinite mass.

  Then if that is your conclusion it may form a new type of a black hole but that isn't my conclusion .

I conclude as stated earlier we would not know the affect at this time because we have never achieved or observed such an event !

What makes you so sure photons have mass   ? 

A laser beam for example will not curve towards the ground !

[Kryptid]

I've already explained in a previous post that it IS NOT the same black body radiation as Wikipedia !

It is, however, the same thing as a black hole formed from photons (otherwise known as a "kugelblitz").

Then if that is your conclusion it may form a new type of a black hole but that isn't my conclusion .

Then your conclusion isn't based on the known laws of physics.

I conclude as stated earlier we would not know the affect at this time because we have never achieved or observed such an event !

We know enough about physics to have a really good idea of what would probably happen.

What makes you so sure photons have mass   ? 

E=mc².

A laser beam for example will not curve towards the ground !

Actually, it should. Gravitational lensing is a confirmed phenomenon.

[Black hole (OP)]

Physicists try their best to advance physics , we do not sit around just quoting stereotypical information .

On what planet are you considered to be a physicist?

Are all the moderators on this forum so disrespectful ?

I am kindly donating some of my time to this forum , giving you some ''food for thoughts'' and correcting some of the false understanding .

One of your moderators doesn't know the difference between space and space-time for heavens sake .

Are you really going to disrespect a professor of physics ?