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Is the sun photons?

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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #20 on: 15/10/2021 23:25:30 »
Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 23:23:44
correcting some of the false understanding .

Where did you do that?

Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 23:23:44
One of your moderators doesn't know the difference between space and space-time for heavens sake .

I'm aware of the difference. Space is a component of space-time.
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #21 on: 16/10/2021 05:19:05 »
Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 23:03:47
Not knowing at this time  whether an infinite amount of photons occupying the same infinitesimally small point , will have any potential gravitational influence on its surroundings .
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It will. It will have infinite gravity because it will have infinite mass.

1. Sure, but only in a theory - as gravitational interactions between 2 or more photons weren't confirmed empirically up until this day...

To make things clear - It's not that I agree with OP and his "quite exotic" claims regarding the Sun being made of photons instead of plasma consisting (mostly) of hydrogen and helium ions, but I also don't like to take as granted, any theories that seem to be lackong any substantial evidence, to be considered as actuals cientific facts... Up until the gravitational attraction of 2+ photons won't be proved by a real-life observation, it will still remain to be classified to the "unproven/unverified" side of theoretical physics... Without any empirical evidence, the general idea of "kugelblitz" is just as true&valid as the dimensions, beyond the "standard" XYZ+t, in the "many-worlds interpretation" - that means with chances of them being true around 50/50 at it's best...

I'm saying all of this, because a lot of people like to speak in terms of absolutes and definitives in cases, where the subject in big part still remains a matter of discussion and is mostly unsettled among the scientific society. I would love to see a clear separation between solid scientific facts and unproven theories - and after doing a pretty decent research, I can tell, that the concept of "kugelblitz" belongs without a doubt to the second group,

Besides that:

2. There's no such thing in physical space, as infinitesimally small point - from what is known about the nature of dimensional space, Planck lenght is as close to be a "point of space", as we can get (in practice and in theory).- yet it still has a definitive and  measurable spatial distance, so the idea of a dimensionless point/unit of space doesn't go too well with actual practice...

3. Photons might have different or similar wavelenghts, thus occupy different/the same volumes of physical space and have different/same energies/masses. Photons at similar wavelenghts will be interferring with each other in the same volume of physical space, leading to different results, than in the case of non-interferring photons at different wavelenghts - for example, in the first case, we might end up with a destructive or a constructive interferrence of photons at similar/the same wavelenghts, that at one time.are occupying the same general volume of space.... Just saying :)
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #22 on: 16/10/2021 12:50:18 »
Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 23:23:44
Are you really going to disrespect a professor of physics ?
Ah, The Box again in his nonsense fantasy world. You are no more a professor than I am James Bond.
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #23 on: 16/10/2021 13:13:16 »
Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 23:23:44
Are you really going to disrespect a professor of physics ?
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #24 on: 16/10/2021 15:14:03 »
Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 21:12:28
The frequency of light emitted by the Sun is not 450nm or lower which plasma generates
Anyone with sunburn is evidence that this is wrong.
But it's also wrong in that plasma typically emits many wavelengths- including visible ones.
The archetypal example is something like lightning or a neon sign.
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #25 on: 16/10/2021 15:16:12 »
Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 23:23:44
Are all the moderators on this forum so disrespectful ?
What do you feel that you have done to earn any respect?

Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 23:23:44
Are you really going to disrespect a professor of physics ?
If one turns up then maybe, but until then it doesn't matter.
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #26 on: 16/10/2021 16:31:29 »
Quote from: CrazyScientist on 16/10/2021 05:19:05



To make things clear - It's not that I agree with OP and his "quite exotic" claims regarding the Sun being made of photons instead of plasma

Can somebody please quote where I say or suggest the Sun is made of just photons ?

The Suns components are electrons and protons that are in an excited state  which produces kinetic energy . The produced kinetic energy is emitted , known as electromagnetic radiation (light).

To explain this to none physicists , E=mc^2 , consider flints and the spark !

''The particles of the Sun are in a tumble drier colliding together under extreme pressure .''
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #27 on: 16/10/2021 16:38:35 »
Quote from: CrazyScientist on 16/10/2021 05:19:05


2. There's no such thing in physical space, as infinitesimally small point - from what is known about the nature of dimensional space, Planck lenght is as close to be a "point of space", as we can get (in practice and in theory).- yet it still has a definitive and  measurable spatial distance, so the idea of a dimensionless point/unit of space doesn't go too well with actual practice...


  I replied in another thread from a paper I read : (x0,y0,z0)   

(x0)+(x0)=x1 is the smallest possible vector and scalar length .

Displacing the point one point .

« Last Edit: 16/10/2021 16:41:30 by Black hole »
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #28 on: 16/10/2021 17:33:15 »
Quote from: Black hole on 16/10/2021 16:31:29
The Suns components are electrons and protons

You're forgetting the neutrons.
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #29 on: 17/10/2021 12:51:20 »
Quote from: Black hole on 16/10/2021 16:31:29
excited state  which produces kinetic energy
No it doesn't.
Quote from: Black hole on 16/10/2021 16:31:29
The produced kinetic energy is emitted , known as electromagnetic radiation (light).
EM radiation isn't kinetic energy, it is EM energy- there's a hint in the name.

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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #30 on: 17/10/2021 13:50:12 »
Quote from: Black hole on 16/10/2021 16:31:29
Can somebody please quote where I say or suggest the Sun is made of just photons ?
Sure.

Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 18:35:42
Where do you get the impression from that Photons do not have mass ? The Sun is a huge ''ball'' of photons and the Sun has mass .
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #31 on: 17/10/2021 17:13:20 »
Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 18:35:42

Perhaps you need to learn physics before you make such statements ?
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Re: Is the sun photons?
« Reply #32 on: 17/10/2021 19:42:49 »
Quote from: Black hole on 15/10/2021 23:23:44
Are you really going to disrespect a professor of physics ?
So come on, why do you tell such ridiculous lies? Do you enjoy people viewing you as a fool?
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