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philosophers seem to fail to achieve consensus about morality.
Here is an example of real life case of moral dilemma. Judges must decide between preserving privacy or sacrificing it for safety and security.
If someday we eventually make first contact with them, it would be preferable to be on the side which has more advanced technology and philosophy.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 16/04/2021 10:39:18He was talking about US today, not some centuries back.Not so many centuries. Slavery was abolished in the US only 150 years ago, and race discrimination (slavery by another name) was outlawed (but not actually abandoned) in my lifetime. Native lands have shrunk from 100% to 2% ownership. And where is Hammurabi's strong and stable civilisation today?
He was talking about US today, not some centuries back.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 16/04/2021 14:09:23Here is an example of real life case of moral dilemma. Judges must decide between preserving privacy or sacrificing it for safety and security.Not a moral dilemma. Copyrights and patents grant and protect monopoly subject to the overriding interests of the state. Whatever software you choose to use, it is only protected by copyright.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 16/04/2021 14:36:44If someday we eventually make first contact with them, it would be preferable to be on the side which has more advanced technology and philosophy.You need to define an advanced philosophy. Clearly, Shariah law has evolved since the days of the Spanish Inquisition, and Nazism is even more "advanced". Under which philosophy would you prefer to serve?
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/04/2021 11:55:44Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 16/04/2021 14:09:23Here is an example of real life case of moral dilemma. Judges must decide between preserving privacy or sacrificing it for safety and security.Not a moral dilemma. Copyrights and patents grant and protect monopoly subject to the overriding interests of the state. Whatever software you choose to use, it is only protected by copyright.It is, because you can only have one by sacrificing the other. You can't have both desired things.
A philosophy is more advanced if it is more accurate in describing objective reality.
Those confirm that non universal morality has limited applicability, both in time and space.
Are you suggesting that robbery is not immoral, because both parties want money?
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/04/2021 15:19:57A philosophy is more advanced if it is more accurate in describing objective reality. Philosophy does not describe, it prescribes, which is why it is wrong.
It was presumably the terrorists who wanted privacy and the state that wanted information. The judge ruled in favor of the state.
The human spirit is capable of doing both things. Practical things and impractical things which may have practical consequences later.
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/04/2021 16:25:20Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/04/2021 15:19:57A philosophy is more advanced if it is more accurate in describing objective reality. Philosophy does not describe, it prescribes, which is why it is wrong. The prescriptions must be based on the description of reality. You can't prescribe something without at least guess what has actually happened. Otherwise it would be a random act.For any true proposition, there are infinitely many alternatives which are false. Let me revise my statement above. A philosophy is more advanced if it is based on more accurate description of objective reality.
You can't prescribe something without at least guess what has actually happened.
Let's evaluate all immoral actions through out history. You will find that the perpetrators used inaccurate model of reality which made them got their priorities wrong.
They can easily call the opposition as terrorists.
Heavy objects fall faster than light ones, and the sun goes round the earth, because a philosopher said so. You can be excommunicated or burnt at the stake for disagreeing. That's prescription, not description.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/04/2021 12:27:24Let's evaluate all immoral actions through out history. You will find that the perpetrators used inaccurate model of reality which made them got their priorities wrong.No, the perpetrators were motivated by greed or power and got their priorities right.
Let's evaluate all immoral actions through out history. You will find that the perpetrators used inaccurate model of reality which made them got their priorities wrong.Just look at genocide and slavery done by ancient Jews, Europian colonizers, Nazi, and ISIS. Or the practice of human sacrifice by the Aztecs. Or sati and caste system by Hindus. Or mass suicide by followers of Jim Jones. Or serial killing by Ted Bundy. You name it.