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Title: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 10:38:52
Reactionless drive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionless_drive
"The mechanism of orientation of artificial Earth satellites."

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Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/08/2018 11:55:46
Interesting bit of performance art.

In this video, you can see the reaction forces shaking the table on which the device is placed.
Do yo plan to post an illustration of the reactionless drive later?
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 12:01:59
Do yo plan to post an illustration of the reactionless drive later?
First we need to find out who needs it.
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 12:20:03
Here is the tip I received!

Good afternoon, Yusup.
I watched your video. Interesting and curious idea. Are you its author? If yes, then you have a wonderful engineering thought.
Unfortunately, I am not a specialist in this field, so I can not assess how this idea is new and practically applicable.
Our department deals with the creation of optoelectronic devices that determine the orientation of the satellite based on the processing of images of the starry sky.
That is, our instruments say HOW the satellite is currently oriented, and on the basis of these data, the satellite control system implements certain influences on it to achieve the desired orientation. So, other specialists are engaged in the implementation of such control actions. I think your ideas may be interested in the NGO them. Lavochkin, RSC Energia, SCNPTS them. Khrunichev, at enterprises where space vehicles and satellites are designed and manufactured.
Sincerely, M.A. R.
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/08/2018 12:32:30
So, someone who specialises in something else says they aren't sure it is useful.

So what?
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 13:08:32
So, someone who specialises in something else says they aren't sure it is useful.
So what?
That it is useless to say only the one who sees it for the first time, a specialist who is engaged in jet traffic will highly appreciate this invention.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Propulsion_Physics_Program
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ning_Li_(physicist)
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/08/2018 13:22:40
Do you realise that your video does not show reactionless drive?
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 13:43:11
Here is the tip I received!

Good afternoon, Yusup.
I watched your video. Interesting and curious idea. Are you its author? If yes, then you have a wonderful engineering thought.
Unfortunately, I am not a specialist in this field, so I can not assess how this idea is new and practically applicable.
Our department deals with the creation of optoelectronic devices that determine the orientation of the satellite based on the processing of images of the starry sky.
That is, our instruments say HOW the satellite is currently oriented, and on the basis of these data, the satellite control system implements certain influences on it to achieve the desired orientation. So, other specialists are engaged in the implementation of such control actions. I think your ideas may be interested in the NGO them. Lavochkin, RSC Energia, SCNPTS them. Khrunichev, at enterprises where space vehicles and satellites are designed and manufactured.
Sincerely, M.A. R.
He says he's showing.
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/08/2018 14:52:45
Here is the tip I received!

Good afternoon, Yusup.
I watched your video. Interesting and curious idea. Are you its author? If yes, then you have a wonderful engineering thought.
Unfortunately, I am not a specialist in this field, so I can not assess how this idea is new and practically applicable.
Our department deals with the creation of optoelectronic devices that determine the orientation of the satellite based on the processing of images of the starry sky.
That is, our instruments say HOW the satellite is currently oriented, and on the basis of these data, the satellite control system implements certain influences on it to achieve the desired orientation. So, other specialists are engaged in the implementation of such control actions. I think your ideas may be interested in the NGO them. Lavochkin, RSC Energia, SCNPTS them. Khrunichev, at enterprises where space vehicles and satellites are designed and manufactured.
Sincerely, M.A. R.
He says he's showing.
So what?
It's still not a reactionless drive.
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Kryptid on 18/08/2018 15:28:04
As Bored Chemist says, this is not a reactionless drive.
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Janus on 18/08/2018 16:07:49
1. As others have already pointed out. This is not a reaction-less drive. It is actually pushing against the table. While the towel lessens the friction between device and table, it doesn't eliminate it.  If the entire device is not perfectly balanced, There will be a difference in friction force table and towel on one side when the weight is on that side then there is on the opposite side when the weight has rotated 180 degrees. If it weren't for this slight difference, the device would just vibrate back and forth with no net movement in any direction.  In space, it would have nothing to push against and would just vibrate with no net movement.
2. You are not the first person to come up with this idea and think they were on to something.  I've seen countless versions of this same concept.  They all suffer from the same flaw; The originator failing to take into account all the forces and interactions involved.
3. If a reaction-less drive based on such a simple idea was at all feasible, they would already be in use and would have been so for a long time.
4. The response you got was likely just a polite brush-off.  Rather than engage you and try to explain why your device wasn't what you claimed it to be, he just passed you on to someone else.
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 17:40:39
2. You are not the first person to come up with this idea and think they were on to something.  I've seen countless versions of this same concept.  They all suffer from the same flaw; The originator failing to take into account all the forces and interactions involved.
This is the culmination of human thought. Reactionless drives
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/08/2018 18:07:55
This is the culmination of human thought. Reactionless drives

Wrong on both counts.
Why can't you see that?
Title: Re: The mechanism of orientation of artificial satellites of the Earth
Post by: Kryptid on 18/08/2018 21:29:22
This is the culmination of human thought. Reactionless drives

Posting the same video twice doesn't make you any less wrong.