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Title: Is there any doubt about Jimmy Savile's guilt?
Post by: Pseudoscience-is-malarkey on 13/05/2020 02:04:21
Usually when a sex scandal that is based almost entirely on testimony, there is room for doubt. The last time I was in the UK, a little more than a year after "the cigar-chomping hypocrite's" death, Saville's name seemed to be a byword for all things perverse (or "buggery", to use one UK's favorite words), and doubt was nowhere to be found. Even his family wasn't discounting his actions. Saville's most loyal fans apparently felt the evidence against him was too powerful to rebuke. In science, testimony only has little, if any, power in determining truth. To this day UFOers only supply testimony and their version of logic, to prove their claims. 
Title: Re: Is there any doubt about Jimmy Savile's guilt?
Post by: alancalverd on 13/05/2020 15:06:54
Testimony isn't mathematical proof, and whilst it might provoke a scientific investigation ("it makes a funny noise at Mach 3.6") we generally seek something less subjective before rejecting a hypothesis or changing a design.

However the law only demands proof "beyond reasonable doubt", and for a very good reason: half the people speaking in a court are lying, and most of them are practiced orators, so if testimony appears to the jury to be adequately corroborated and independent, you may get a conviction.
Title: Re: Is there any doubt about Jimmy Savile's guilt?
Post by: Bored chemist on 13/05/2020 16:58:38
There's video.
Title: Re: Is there any doubt about Jimmy Savile's guilt?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 13/05/2020 17:42:10
Usually when a sex scandal that is based almost entirely on testimony, there is room for doubt. The last time I was in the UK, a little more than a year after "the cigar-chomping hypocrite's" death, Saville's name seemed to be a byword for all things perverse (or "buggery", to use one UK's favorite words), and doubt was nowhere to be found. Even his family wasn't discounting his actions. Saville's most loyal fans apparently felt the evidence against him was too powerful to rebuke. In science, testimony only has little, if any, power in determining truth. To this day UFOers only supply testimony and their version of logic, to prove their claims. 
No, it was an open secret at the bbc, it was known about since the 1970, it was no shock.
Title: Re: Is there any doubt about Jimmy Savile's guilt?
Post by: RD on 14/05/2020 01:03:49
Actively seeking the company of serial-killers is exceptional behaviour ...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-frank-bruno-reveals-1430910

[ https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe ]
Title: Re: Is there any doubt about Jimmy Savile's guilt?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 15/05/2020 02:40:16
Actively seeking the company of serial-killers is exceptional behaviour ...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-frank-bruno-reveals-1430910

[ https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe ]

You may want to tell donald makintyre, piers morgan, channel 5, the crime channel,
Title: Re: Is there any doubt about Jimmy Savile's guilt?
Post by: RD on 15/05/2020 11:47:11
... donald makintyre, piers morgan ...

The above were paid to interview murderers, whereas Jimmy's only reward would have been vicarious thrills.
Title: Re: Is there any doubt about Jimmy Savile's guilt?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 16/05/2020 00:29:28
... donald makintyre, piers morgan ...

The above were paid to interview murderers, whereas Jimmy's only reward would have been vicarious thrills.

A good proportion of the mental profession are fascinated by sociopaths psycopaths, to the point of everyone becomes a nut. There own ego requires it.
Title: Re: Is there any doubt about Jimmy Savile's guilt?
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/05/2020 00:33:45
A good proportion of the mental profession are fascinated by sociopaths psycopaths, to the point of everyone becomes a nut. There own ego requires it.

I'm just quoting that  so it's still there in the cold light of day.

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