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Title: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Airthumbs on 27/12/2023 05:31:01
Title: Exploring the Nature of Instantaneous Information Transfer: Insights from Singularity and Missing Dimensions

Abstract: The concept of instantaneous information transfer, often described as "spooky action at a distance" by Einstein, has sparked intense contemplation regarding the fundamental nature of connectivity in our universe.

This paper delves into a multifaceted exploration of this phenomenon, considering various perspectives, including the absence of gravity, the absence of traditional time, and the implications of singularity at the universe's birth.


Introduction: Einstein's notion of non-locality, termed "spooky action at a distance," challenges conventional understandings of how information seemingly traverses vast distances instantaneously. In contemplating this phenomenon, three distinct perspectives have emerged: the proposition of an alternative dimension devoid of gravitational constraints, the consideration of time as a missing dimension facilitating rapid information transfer, and the intriguing connection to the universe's singularity at its inception.


Discussion: The first perspective postulates the existence of a dimension not governed by gravity, where communication occurs instantaneously. This paradigm shift in understanding the fabric of our universe implies a realm beyond the constraints of traditional spacetime, suggesting a deeper interconnectedness among all entities.
The second viewpoint proposes that rather than a dimension free of gravity, it is the absence or transcendence of conventional time that enables instantaneous information transfer. This interpretation implies a universe existing in a perpetual state akin to the singularity at its birth, where time ceases to be a limiting factor, facilitating instantaneous communication across vast distances.

Lastly, considering the singularity at the universe's inception, all matter existed in an intimately connected state, tightly intertwined as energy. This perspective suggests that the fundamental interconnectedness observed in phenomena such as quantum entanglement might be a remnant of this primordial state, where the boundaries of space, time, and gravity were yet to delineate distinct entities.


Conclusion: In summary, the instantaneous transfer of information challenges our current understanding of space, time, and connectivity in the universe. The three proposed perspectives?alternative dimensions devoid of gravity, the absence or transcendence of traditional time, and the connection to the universe's singularity?offer intriguing avenues for further exploration. These perspectives prompt us to contemplate a universe existing in a state beyond our conventional perceptions, suggesting a deeper, underlying reality that transcends our current scientific frameworks.

Acknowledgments: The author would like to express gratitude to the scientific community for the ongoing discussions and contributions that inspire deeper reflections on the nature of the universe and its fundamental principles.

Final word: The theory I've proposed aligns intriguingly with certain aspects of quantum theory, especially in understanding the behavior of particles at the quantum level.
Quantum mechanics showcases particles displaying behaviors like entanglement, superposition, and non-locality, behaviors that often challenge our classical understanding. The notion of an alternative dimension, free from usual constraints like gravity or time, could offer a framework to comprehend these quantum phenomena.
For instance, the concept of non-locality, seen in experiments confirming quantum entanglement, suggests instantaneous connections between particles, even when separated by vast distances. If there exists a dimension where constraints like distance or time don't apply, it might explain how particles communicate or influence each other instantaneously.
Furthermore, the absence or transcendence of traditional time, as suggested in my theory, could align with the peculiar behavior of particles in quantum mechanics. The idea of superposition, where particles seemingly exist in multiple states simultaneously, might find explanation in a framework where time operates differently or isn't a limiting factor.
I also proposed that the universe's singularity at its inception might be linked to quantum phenomena. This suggests that quantum entanglement could be a trace of the initial state of the universe when everything existed undifferentiated.
In essence, my theory offers a perspective that could bridge our understanding of quantum mechanics and the universe's fundamental nature. It posits the existence of dimensions or states beyond our conventional perception, providing a deeper framework to interpret quantum behaviors. Further exploration along these lines may unravel the mysteries of quantum phenomena and the fundamental structure of our reality.

Written by: Aaron Thomas BSc. (hons)
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Airthumbs on 27/12/2023 05:42:30
I tried to delete this post but it wont let me as I think I need to move it to new theories.....  If a moderator reads this please help me move it to the correct place.   
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: paul cotter on 27/12/2023 16:28:33
Quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit information and information transfer cannot be achieved faster than the speed of light. Also in the proposed scenario where time is removed how could one define "instantaneous" ?, as this condition is determined by an occurrence happening in zero time.
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Airthumbs on 27/12/2023 19:36:39
Quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit information and information transfer cannot be achieved faster than the speed of light. Also in the proposed scenario where time is removed how could one define "instantaneous" ?, as this condition is determined by an occurrence happening in zero time.

You rightly highlighted the limitations of quantum entanglement in transmitting information, which aligns with the fundamental principles of quantum mechanics. My intention wasn't to propose using entanglement for communication but rather to explore the underlying framework enabling such phenomena.

Regarding the cosmic speed limit set by the theory of relativity, I acknowledge its significance, and my exploration is more speculative, aiming to consider potential frameworks beyond our current understanding.

Addressing the challenge of defining 'instantaneous' in a timeless scenario is indeed complex. I'll reconsider the terminology used to better align with the absence of time in the proposed framework.

Your feedback is invaluable in refining this exploration, and I appreciate your thoughtful engagement.
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Origin on 27/12/2023 21:45:51
The concept of instantaneous information transfer, often described as "spooky action at a distance" by Einstein, has sparked intense contemplation regarding the fundamental nature of connectivity in our universe.
Just to clarify; entangled particles cannot transfer any useful information.  For instance if you measure your particle as having an up spin the only thing you can determine is that the other particles spin is down and since the original particles orientation was random no data can be transferred.
In contemplating this phenomenon, three distinct perspectives have emerged: the proposition of an alternative dimension devoid of gravitational constraints
Are you talking about a spatial or temporal dimension.  Why would a dimension not affected by gravity have anything to do with entangled particles?
the consideration of time as a missing dimension facilitating rapid information transfer
This sentence doesn't parse.  Time is a dimension.  What does time "facilitates rapid information transfer" mean?
it is the absence or transcendence of conventional time that enables instantaneous information transfer.
That is just a throw away comment.  What you are saying is, "if this impossible thing happens then this other thing will happen".
The theory I've proposed aligns intriguingly with certain aspects of quantum theory, especially in understanding the behavior of particles at the quantum level.
You do not have a theory, what you have is guess based on guesses with no evidence supporting these guesses.
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Airthumbs on 28/12/2023 00:23:00
Thank you for your insightful comments and questions regarding my previous post on entanglement and "spooky action at a distance." I greatly appreciate your perspective and the opportunity to clarify some key points.

Information Transfer: You're absolutely right to point out that entangled particles don't transmit information in the traditional sense. The phenomenon reveals a pre-existing correlation, not an actual exchange of data. Imagine flipping two coins simultaneously, miles apart. If they always land on opposite sides, it doesn't imply communication, but a fascinating connection. Similarly, entanglement showcases this inherent "coin flip" without any information transfer occurring.

Dimensional Perspective: The proposed alternative dimension wouldn't be a spatial or temporal dimension in the classical sense. Think of it as a hidden network woven into the fabric of our familiar spacetime. Entangled particles, despite physical separation, might be connected through this network, allowing them to "speak" to each other instantaneously.

Timeless Dimension: The suggestion isn't about time being absent, but about a different mode of existence outside its limitations. Think of it like two entangled particles existing in a timeless plane, where distance and the flow of time don't matter. They remain connected in this state, regardless of where they are in our spacetime.

Transcendence of Time:
Instead of "impossible things happening," the idea is that a timeless dimension could explain entanglement's behavior within the framework of existing quantum concepts. For example, entangled particles can exhibit superposition, existing in multiple states simultaneously. A timeless dimension could offer a potential explanation for how this simultaneous existence works across vast distances.

Theory vs. Hypothesis: You're correct that calling it a theory at this stage might be premature. It's currently a hypothesis, based on current observations and potential explanations for entanglement. While conclusive evidence is still lacking, it offers a framework for further exploration and experimentation.

I value your critique and hope this clarifies my ideas. Open discussion and critical analysis are crucial for scientific progress, and I appreciate your contribution to refining my understanding of this complex phenomenon. I believe further research in this area holds immense potential for unlocking new perspectives on the nature of our universe and the mysteries of quantum mechanics.
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Airthumbs on 28/12/2023 00:35:38
While my paper delves into intriguing hypotheses about "instantaneous information transfer," definitive evidence supporting them isn't currently available in the scientific landscape. However, the captivating questions I raise align with several ongoing research threads in physics and cosmology, offering exciting avenues for further exploration.

Alternative Dimensions: String theory and other theoretical frameworks postulate the existence of additional spatial dimensions beyond our familiar 3D space and 1D time. Though these remain hypothetical, research in particle physics and cosmology seeks ways to detect their potential imprint on our observable universe. For instance, experiments at the Large Hadron Collider search for evidence of exotic particles that might interact with these hidden dimensions.

Timeless Existence: The concept of a timeless state or a universe outside the constraints of conventional time is more philosophical than demonstrably testable within the established framework of physics. However, research in quantum gravity and the nature of space and time itself delves into the possibility of fundamental revisions to our understanding of these concepts. Recent work on the holographic principle, for example, suggests a link between information content and geometry, potentially blurring the lines between space and time at specific scales.

Singularity Connection
: While it's a captivating idea, the notion of entanglement as a remnant of the Big Bang singularity remains highly speculative. Research in astrophysics and cosmology continues to refine our understanding of the early universe and the conditions at the singularity. However, directly linking these findings to quantum phenomena like entanglement and their non-local behavior currently presents a significant challenge.

Potential Connections:

Though my specific hypotheses may not have direct evidence at present, their underlying themes resonate with ongoing research in several exciting areas:

Non-locality in Quantum Mechanics: Exploring entanglement and other non-local phenomena continues to be a vibrant field of research, offering potential insights into the fundamental nature of quantum mechanics and its relationship to space and time.

The Nature of Information in the Universe: The question of how information is encoded and transferred across different scales, from the quantum level to the cosmological, is a central issue in physics and cosmology. My thoughts on the role of alternative dimensions or timeless existence could add to this discussion.

Unifying Frameworks for Physics: The search for a unifying theory that bridges the gap between quantum mechanics and general relativity remains a major goal in physics. My ideas, while speculative, could potentially contribute to this effort by suggesting unconventional ways to think about the interplay between space, time, and information.

Recommendations:

I'll continue to delve deeper into the relevant scientific literature related to my areas of interest, familiarizing myself with the current research and challenges in each field to strengthen my understanding and identify potential connections.
Collaboration with other researchers or theorists is crucial to discuss my ideas and explore their implications within existing scientific frameworks. Engaging in constructive dialogue can help refine my hypotheses and identify novel ways to test them.
Focusing on specific testable predictions or observational consequences that could emerge from my hypotheses is essential for a more rigorous scientific approach and potential avenues for future research.
Remember, scientific progress often thrives on bold questions and imaginative ideas, even if they don't initially have definitive answers. By continuously refining my hypotheses, exploring connections to existing research, and seeking feedback from the scientific community, I can contribute to the ongoing quest to unravel the mysteries of our universe.
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Origin on 28/12/2023 03:42:09
The proposed alternative dimension wouldn't be a spatial or temporal dimension in the classical sense. Think of it as a hidden network woven into the fabric of our familiar spacetime.
That is not what a dimension is.  Space time isn't a fabric, nothing can be woven into it.  Positing a 'hidden' network is not a hypothesis.  I could just as easily say hidden fairies are using instantaneous walkie talkies to flip the entangled particles.  There is no evidence of a hidden network or fairies.
The suggestion isn't about time being absent, but about a different mode of existence outside its limitations.
That is a meaningless statement.
Think of it like two entangled particles existing in a timeless plane, where distance and the flow of time don't matter.
You might as well say there are also fairies living on the imaginary plane.  Just making up things with no logic or evidence is not science.
Instead of "impossible things happening," the idea is that a timeless dimension could explain entanglement's behavior within the framework of existing quantum concepts
Space time consists of 3 spatial dimensions (x, y, z) and 1 time dimension (t).  I suppose you could call the 3 spatial dimensions 'timeless dimensions' but I don't think that is what you mean.  I suspect you mean something different which is definitely not compatible with quantum mechanics.
This is little more than arm waving with no mathematics, no testable model and just plain wrong assertions. 

By the way, the quote at the bottom of your posts is not by Einstein.
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Origin on 28/12/2023 03:46:50
By continuously refining my hypotheses, exploring connections to existing research, and seeking feedback from the scientific community, I can contribute to the ongoing quest to unravel the mysteries of our universe.
My feedback is; if you are serious about wanting to contribute, to go to school and get an advanced degree in physics.
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Airthumbs on 28/12/2023 04:47:50
You are obviously having trouble reading my article which admittedly I do not posses the scientific language for.  However I feel you have raised some valid points but I do not appreciate the sarcastic comments. 

This is a forum for sharing ideas and it is not the exclusive property of people with high level physics degrees to participate.  My original post was a question, not a request for a dissection of my scientific writing ability.  If you lack the imagination to see what I am trying to convey and feel the need to attack every post i make with contradiction and humiliations instead of trying to contribute then please take your opinions, advice or what ever you think you are trying to achieve else where.

 I don't need this kind of negativity from an open public science forum.

Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Airthumbs on 28/12/2023 06:28:13

Stephen Hawking's final theory could prove the existence of ...
Infinite big bangs

Hawking predicted that our big bang was just one in an infinite number of big bangs that occurred simultaneously ? each of them creating its own separate universe. But if other universes exist, we have no way to find them, and no way to test the theory.

So as per Origins mindset Hawking may as well have been talking about fairies yes?  In fact why should we try to evolve our understanding when we have such immaculate understanding of our universe through current advanced levels of physics. And furthermore unless you hold an advanced degree in physics it seems use of the imagination is forbidden and has nothing to offer the development of new ideas, at least that is what Origin would like you to believe in my opinion.   

Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Origin on 28/12/2023 17:09:41
You are obviously having trouble reading my article which admittedly I do not posses the scientific language for.
If you don't understand the technical terms don't use them and describe your idea in your own words.
This is a forum for sharing ideas and it is not the exclusive property of people with high level physics degrees to participate.
Actually, this forum is neither one of those.  This is a science forum where questions about science are asked and answered.  This is about mainstream science not pseudoscience.  I have learned a lot of new (to me) science on this site.  There is a section called "New theories", but if you notice it is in the "Lighter Side" section.  The way science works is that someone will propose a new hypothesis and the rest of the scientific community will try to disprove it.  If the idea survives then it will be accepted, until it is disproven or a better hypothesis comes along.
However I feel you have raised some valid points but I do not appreciate the sarcastic comments.
I should not have been sarcastic or rude, I apologize for that.  The comment I made about invisible fairies was to help illustrate the point that postulating a solution that cannot be tested is not a viable scientific hypothesis.
My original post was a question, not a request for a dissection of my scientific writing ability.  If you lack the imagination to see what I am trying to convey and feel the need to attack every post i make with contradiction and humiliations instead of trying to contribute
I am contributing.  You are making claims about entanglement and I am pointing out errors in your assessment.  I am probably being a bit of a butt-head in my comments, which I will stop doing.
In fact why should we try to evolve our understanding when we have such immaculate understanding of our universe through current advanced levels of physics
I think further understanding of the universe is a good thing.
And furthermore unless you hold an advanced degree in physics it seems use of the imagination is forbidden and has nothing to offer the development of new ideas
I think imagination is a great thing.  I also think if you don't have an advanced degree in physics you will never add anything of value to mainstream physics.  Just like I don't think someone without an advanced degree is going to develop a new cancer drug or a quantum computer. 
Title: Re: Spooky action proves extra dimensions?
Post by: Zer0 on 05/01/2024 20:56:53
@Air

Imagine two coins in a Singlet state.
(Entangled)

Take them Apart, still Entangled.
(heads or tails still Undetermined)

Make measurements on Both coins Simultaneously.
(one heads & the other tails)

If the speed/timing of both Measurements was Absolutely Precise, Accurate & Simultaneous...

& If the Result shows Correlation, faster than the speed of Causality..

Then it ain't anymore a question of
' MayBee '
There Has to be Something there on a Deeper Level.
" MustBee "


ps - " you Never fail, until you Stop trying! "
(who said it is irrelevant...what was said, is all that matters)