Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 16:02:24
Post by: RD on 05/01/2019 18:37:34
And something important, its not CBD oil. CBD oil is just for pain. THC is the treatment. ...
Of course we dont even start all the chemotherapy, we didnt chose that way. Its very important because many people do both,
but in my opinion its useless to use cannabis oil if you do chemo...chemo kills everithing.
Where is the long-term large-population study which shows cannabis-oil is an effective treatment for cancer ?.
Quote from: cancerresearchuk
The bottom line is that right now there isn’t enough reliable evidence to prove that any form of cannabis can effectively treat cancer in patients. This includes hemp oil, cannabis oil or the active chemicals found within the cannabis plant (cannabinoids) – whether natural or man-made.https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/
Studies have been done comparing "alternative" cancer treatments, like cannabis & veganism,
with proven-treatments, like surgery & chemotherapy.
The survival with "alternative" treatments is always worse, see ...
(https://n1s1t23sxna2acyes3x4cz0h-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/SurvivalAM.jpg)
"Survival curves for (A) all patients, (B) breast, (C) prostate, (D) lung, and (E) colorectal cancers."
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/alternative-medicine-kills-cancer-patients/
I repeat that this is just my opinion, i want to share it with everybody.
Your example, even if true, is an anecdote. Anecdotes are worthless,
see ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence#Faulty_logic
Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 20:03:56
Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 20:29:35
Post by: RD on 05/01/2019 23:09:34
... i am not here to say that chemo dont work... neither that cannabis treat cancer ...
You did claim cannabis treats cancer: you said ...
... THC is the treatment ...
You did claim cannabis treats cancer, if you do not have chemo: you said ...
... in my opinion its useless to use cannabis oil if you do chemo...chemo kills everithing ...
... i am happy with our results, with friend's results ...
According to you, your friend's father is high as a kite, but still has cancer ...
... 1-2ml (maybe more in the future) and guys.....it helps...well until now and hope for ever ...
Your memory & logic seem to be impaired, & some evidence of paranoia (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paranoia) too ...
... medical companies hide ...http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.php/2016/10/03/10-reasons-why-hidden-cancer-cure-conspiracy-theories-fail (http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.php/2016/10/03/10-reasons-why-hidden-cancer-cure-conspiracy-theories-fail-2/)
You're not partaking (https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuanas-long-term-effects-brain) yourself are you ?.
Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 23:22:00
After all it seems that you didnt even read my case carefully
Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 23:28:42
Post by: RD on 06/01/2019 03:31:06
I said it help.. you dont pay close attention ...
You also wrote "THC is the treatment" ...
mydreamis wrote_''THC is the treatment'.png (48.07 kB . 1191x694 - viewed 27883 times)Then contradicted yourself by saying "i am not here to say ... that cannabis treat cancer ... (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=75835.msg564478#msg564478)"
Anyone who chooses cannabis over proven cancer-treatments is potentiality making a deadly mistake.
Symptomatic-relief yes : as it's antiemetic anxiolytic & analgesic (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK230711/),
but cannabis has not been shown to be a cancer treatment. (https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/) ...
Quote from: thelancet.com
As yet there is no evidence that THC or other cannabinoids have anticancer effects in humans.https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(04)01711-5/fulltext
Quote from: Professor David H. Gorski
... From what we know now, it is quite clear that cannabis does not cure cancer...https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-as-the-new-herbalism-part-2-cannabis-does-not-cure-cancer/ (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-as-the-new-herbalism-part-2-cannabis-does-not-cure-cancer/)
... I also said that i dont want to prove it to you, or anyone ...
Maybe you don't know where you are: you're in a science-forum, we're all about the proof here.
Post by: mydreamis on 06/01/2019 11:54:53
So please dont choose the parts of my words that you want. Because i said i dont want to prove anything to you or anyone who dont even want to visit me and see by his own eyes. Meaning that anyone who wants can visit and see by his own eyes :P . You really dont seem to understand what i am saying here. Maybe my english is sooo bad.. Who knows......
Post by: RD on 06/01/2019 15:04:32
... Yes i said the treatment is the THC, meaning that we use the THC not the CBD ...
THC comes from cannabis, if "THC is the treatment", as you say, (The Lancet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lancet) disagrees),
then cannabis is a cancer treatment, (Oncologist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncology) Professor Gorski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gorski) disagrees).
Even if your friend's father's cancer disappears, it's not proof cannabis is an effective treatment for cancer.
Cancer sometimes remits without effective-treatment being applied,
see ... https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Spontaneous_remission#Examples_for_various_diseases
Cannabis can provide relief from cancer symptoms, but it's not been shown to treat/cure cancer in humans (https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/).
... its the therapy that we choose ...
If they've chosen to turn-down chemotherapy in favour of cannabis, (as you advise (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=75835.msg564452#msg564452)),
then evidently (https://n1s1t23sxna2acyes3x4cz0h-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/SurvivalAM.jpg) the odds-are that their life-expectancy will be reduced as a result.
Post by: mydreamis on 06/01/2019 16:27:08
Post by: mydreamis on 06/01/2019 16:31:19
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/01/2019 16:49:03
What is your opinion about doing chemo and also use high tch cannabis oil?We are a bunch of scientists.
Our opinion will be that you should get evidence, then act on that.
As far as I understand it, THC doesn't actually affect the cancer.
It may reduce some of the side effects of chemotherapy- notably nausea- to an extent that a higher dose of treatment can be tolerated.
If that's the case (and it's a big "if") then THC may well help. But the THC on its own is no use.
There is still an interesting question about legality...
Post by: mydreamis on 07/01/2019 00:20:00
Post by: RD on 07/01/2019 12:26:30
... I am also going to meet some people that use it for a long time this week ...
Meeting people who have outlived their prognosis is going to give you a distorted-perspective,
see ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
To tell if a purported treatment actually works you need to compare (the survival of) people on that treatment
with a comparable control-group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_and_control_groups) of people who are not receiving it.
If you don't have a control-group to compare with you cannot tell if it works.
Cancer survival , conventional-treatment (dotted), Versus ''alternative''.png (43.1 kB . 741x561 - viewed 23606 times)https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/alternative-medicine-kills-cancer-patients/
BTW
How long has cannabis been available ?, millennia ?.
If it was a cure for cancer that would have become apparent and widely-known by now.
e.g. cannabis-users would be over-represented amongst the elderly.
Post by: mydreamis on 07/01/2019 12:49:00
Post by: RD on 07/01/2019 15:31:36
Who told you that it is not already known to many people and to huge group of people?!Yet it's not known to doctors who, for humane or economic reasons, would wish to keep their cancer patients alive.
Quite the reverse: doctors, who have seen many cases of cancer, say cannabis does not treat/cure cancer. (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=75835.msg564551#msg564551)
... The problem is that it is illegal and hard to find ....In some countries cannabis is legal, or even grows wild.
Do those countries have higher cancer-survival-time ?,
If not why not ?, if the cure for cancer is readily available to them.
... Definitely not a small group of people ...Size does not matter if you have no control-group (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Experimental_control), see ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
... i told you for the 1000 time ...Currently you have made 40 posts in this forum (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=48108), not "1000". Making numbers up to fit your belief is not scientific.
Post by: mydreamis on 07/01/2019 16:50:34
--Also wikipedia is not "scientific" or anything to use to prove things brother, in wikipedia all of us have access to write almost anything we want. Stop using it (just my opinion)
--I did not make 40 posts in this forum. Your research is incomplete.
Post by: RD on 07/01/2019 21:53:38
Also wikipedia is not "scientific" or anything to use to prove things brother,
in wikipedia all of us have access to write almost anything we want. Stop using it ...
If you disagree with the definitions of cherry picking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking) , survivor bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor_bias), & anecdotal evidence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence) on Wikipedia,
feel free to look up what those phrases mean on any other website, ( I doubt they will differ from Wikipedia).
My sources for medical information in this thread are not from Wikipedia, they are from The Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(04)01711-5/fulltext),
Cancer Research UK (https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/), The Journal of the National Cancer Institute (https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/110/1/121/4064136) & Professor David H. Gorski (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-as-the-new-herbalism-part-2-cannabis-does-not-cure-cancer/).
-- I did not make 40 posts in this forum. Your research is incomplete.
My mistake: now I see your profile said you had 40 posts to go before becoming a full member,
so at that point you'd only made 10 posts, not "1000" like you claimed.
If you need to quantify something, like efficacy of a treatment, accurate numbers vitally important.
Post by: mydreamis on 07/01/2019 23:39:37
Post by: Kalagart on 30/10/2019 14:47:23
Post by: exothermic on 01/11/2019 14:39:52
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Post by: SammyS7 on 28/03/2020 13:17:39
For what it's worth cannabis derived drugs are used to help with cancer treatment- specifically in reducing the nausea and vomiting associated with cancer therapy.
The reduction in these side effects means that the anti-cancer drugs can be given at higher doses and that increases the chance of a successful treatment. More info by the link spam removed
Post by: dwilliams on 13/06/2020 10:19:18
Post by: Zer0 on 21/05/2021 21:43:26
BS!
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P.S. - Wonder Why the OP was soo Persistent on stating " High THC Level Stuff " & " Come & Visit my Home " ...
Almost sounds like an Attempt at Drug Peddling!
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