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Non Life Sciences => Geek Speak => Topic started by: Eternal Student on 07/07/2021 09:28:00
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Hi.
I'm seeing adverts for windows 11.
Any geeks have anything interesting to say about it? Is it going to be faster, more secure or just bloated with extra junk?
You don't have to spend too long answering (after all I'm too lazy to read anything about Windows 11 myself).
Best wishes to all.
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I think that new windows wouldn't be much better than previous one
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Hi Jaims and welcome.
Thanks for your comment.
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New OS are about multi core concurrency threading now.
I just put in Slackwsre Beta 15 Kernel 5.4.84 on dual core laptop 4gb RAM
Found Win 10 copies faster and more reliable than previous Windows versions.
Slackwsre 15 beta gives a good burst at copying too, Krusader is far better than Dolphin to do work from in that context of shifting files.
One point many people don't realise is a "server" is exactly THAT.
And get a Server Kernel X64 that will manage the number of threads and cores in the following.
So in your home get a Server high CPU core carrier board and 3 GHz (128 cores per socket)with two CPU sockets 512 GB of RAM 8 6Gb/s RAID flash ports , various high rate BUS peripheral ports and whether you use it directly or across wires or with the entertainment streaming somewhere while you work it will all get the jobs done.
You give "work" to the server, a common point with cloud computing, but the backbone of most if not all business intranets.
NB you assign cores to programme executables(or services executable - daemon in the server).
Too many apps have RMI systems for servers to co-work between machines with stations.
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I had a "pleasure" to update from 10 Pro to 11
I thought my set up was quite good (Ryzen 5 3600 4,2mhz 2x8 16Gb RAM 3600mhz)
and the system was not any faster then he previous revision. Quite the opposite! I did some benchmark and it turned out 2-3% slower. Not a big difference, however, my expectations were positive.
I think next version of Win 11 would be a better one. As for now I stay with 10
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Thanks Nicephotog,
So are you saying Windows 11 is all about multi-threading and effective use of multiple cores? If you benchmark a system using Win 10 and Win 11, we'll only see improvements if the hardware can make full use of Windows 11 improvements and the benchmark testing is focused on certain things (muti-threading and/or file sharing)?
Thanks Spoink47,
That is what I was expecting. For many uses, I expect Windows 11 will be slower.
(General note: I'll probably be paying less attention to this thread from here. I may not be replying often. Therefore, don't rush to reply to me or spend too much time here. Thanks for the time you've already spent here).
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I know someone who has been trying Windows 11.
Her advice: Wait a while to upgrade; it's not very stable yet.
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we'll only see improvements if the hardware can make full use of Windows 11 improvements and the benchmark testing is focused on certain things (muti-threading and/or file sharing)?
and "work stealing".
Good point, improvements are about stability (error avoidance and full utilisation of task job resources in the hardware and exploiting new software process methods).
Multi core CPU's if 4 cores or more make a difference, however dual core is almost no better than single core because only one job can have one core, the OS in basis gets the other core but the plus in it is the immense stability of the kernel by that point.
It may be time to build my own Desktop with as many cores as cheap as possible with as much matching RAM to frequency,with a Tbyte SSD to carry a few OS's.
(* better to have at least 2 main discs, i found most recent OS average 60Gb minimum space to install , also , using MBR is rare now, it is only emulated in UEFI systems for the main-board chip set but worse MBR defaults OS install to an X86 32 bit kernel and processor chunking emulation on its counter , unfortunately for Java JVM it means only a maximum assignable object heap of 1Gb , so GPT partitioning for X64 processor chunks throughput is the better option
by compatibility with UEFI installs, also GPT basically requires X64 because of the number of primary partitions allowed and massive size a partition can be).
freeBSD and Scientific Linux (SL) or CERN appear to have multi socket mainboard CPU core capability , of which requires an updated (or out of the box in SL and BSD) "NUMA" core threading to RAM system.
* EDIT: Outside SL and freeBSD is Oracle Linux 8 featuring a version with unbreakable kernel https://www.oracle.com/linux/technologies/oracle-linux-downloads.html
I have been sniffing the idea of finding cheap cores of 16 per block or as many as possible and fit them to a cheap board with fluid cooling towers.
Just want to see if i can get as far as matching some vast number of cores per block e.g. to frequency to RAM speed for some vastly tiny price.
What it is about NUMA is each core has its own block of memory of the mainboard so when an advertisement in a shop touts 512GB maximum RAM it really means for a dual socket board 256GB RAM X2.
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Hi.
I'm seeing adverts for windows 11.
Any geeks have anything interesting to say about it? Is it going to be faster, more secure or just bloated with extra junk?
You don't have to spend too long answering (after all I'm too lazy to read anything about Windows 11 myself).
Best wishes to all.
I have an i7, 6 core chip with 12 threads and I am running 3 monitors and a 55 inch TV so my system is acceptable by most all standards but I can not run windows 11 because of the lack of TPM on my computer. Millions of users will be shut out of windows 11 for no obvious reason.
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I'll give it one point, hopping from vista to 10 the stability was far better.
The environment variables when setting is more defined at least by the new gui. In 10.
Won't know anything of 11 until the end of 2021.
If anything was upgraded in an MS windows distro it's the underpinning drivers but also .NET and any new solidified specification added in recent years.
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I don't know anything about Windows 11 yet, like most people. I am still trying to figure everything out with Windows 10. I found this amazing discussion opened on Reddit. People share there all they know and their experience related to windows 10 and the windows 10 keys. I am sure if you'll check the Reddit platforms you can find some similar discussions about windows 11 as well. Usually, people resume everything they have to say so you don't spend hours reading about it.
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I like it and its very stable I like the new interface compared to other versions.You do have to make sure you get the right version for yourself. They have a version that will only allow microsoft products to be installed which I did not want.If you have that version I believe it can be deactivated.You will know you have this version if you can't install 3rd party apps.
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Win10 seems a good option until October 14 2025.
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I had a Windows 10 startup error problem when using OEM keys. If you have a problem like I did, I recommend that you figure out where to get a windows 10 key.
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Its perfectly fine this isn't the 1990s it is completely stable and if its free there in no reason not to get it.Its actually better then every other windows version their best yet.
The only problem is you have to have an advanced chip even some I7 chips are not good enough.If you have an older PC it likely won't be able to be installed.
You must have the right processor or it cannot be installed.