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The only nothing is what humanity actually knows about the universe.
Quote from: Europa on 22/07/2021 16:25:46The only nothing is what humanity actually knows about the universe.I take it you are generalising from personal experience.
The only thing that humanity knows about the universe outside of this solar system is nothing. Better?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/07/2021 18:01:02Quote from: Europa on 22/07/2021 16:25:46The only nothing is what humanity actually knows about the universe.I take it you are generalising from personal experience.The only thing that humanity knows about the universe outside of this solar system is nothing. Better?
Quote from: Europa on 23/07/2021 00:02:15Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/07/2021 18:01:02Quote from: Europa on 22/07/2021 16:25:46The only nothing is what humanity actually knows about the universe.I take it you are generalising from personal experience.The only thing that humanity knows about the universe outside of this solar system is nothing. Better?Rewriting something which is wrong does not mate it right unless you actually change the meaning.So why would it be "better"?
It's kind of crazy but it connects to this question I have of how we can define a commonly agreed on universe while still defining it as 'observer dependent'. As far as I get it really is observer dependent, the geometry or if you like the manifold change, although maybe not mathematically? I'm not sure about that one. If you are close to light speed measuring on the stars is the manifold mathematically observer dependent? Locally defined.
Do you really want to burn and ban ideas that you do not agree with? Because Adolph did exactly this
Have you forgotten when Adolph decided what was right and wrong
Father had to go over there and save the day?
Do you really want to burn and ban ideas that you do not agree with?
Because Adolph did exactly this
Quote from: Europa on 23/07/2021 13:22:11Have you forgotten when Adolph decided what was right and wrong No.Quote from: Europa on 23/07/2021 13:22:11 Father had to go over there and save the day?I hadn't realised your father was Russian, but ... thanks anyway.My mother taught one of the Spice Girls, but I don't see it as something I can take any credit for.Quote from: Europa on 23/07/2021 13:22:11Do you really want to burn and ban ideas that you do not agree with? NoI think it's much more effective to point out that those ideas are just utterly stupid.Quote from: Europa on 23/07/2021 13:22:11Because Adolph did exactly thisAs Word would say "Fragment ; consider revising".
Quote from: Europa on 23/07/2021 13:22:11Do you really want to burn and ban ideas that you do not agree with? Because Adolph did exactly thisThe statement “The only thing that humanity knows about the universe outside of this solar system is nothing.” is not in the same category, it is clearly incorrect.Stop trolling.
Mein Kampf, does everyone have to read the books that you read and believe as you do?
Quote from: Europa on 23/07/2021 20:06:44Mein Kampf, does everyone have to read the books that you read and believe as you do?No, not at all.However, you have joined this forum and the way we do things here is that these sections eg Physics, Astronomy, cosmology, are for currently accepted theories. Any alternative or new explanations are to be put in New Theories. Please read https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=66954.0If you abide by this and our acceptable usage policy you are welcome to stay.Please note that moderators have the right to remove any irrelevant or incorrect posts, if the poster reinstates those posts it can lead to a ban.Note that science deals with observations of the universe around us, so even if the universe is a simulation those observations and conclusions are still valid.If you wish to continue your arguments we can set up a section in New Theories where you will be confined until you prove to our satisfaction that “The only thing that humanity knows about the universe outside of this solar system is nothing.”On the other hand you might decide to confine your speculations to new theories.
Now when you take into account the big bang theory there is no mathematics that backs it up
Adolph would approve of
If it is your choice to burn ideas different than yours and ban the free expression of thoughts to keep everything in line with your science that can not be mathematically verified, ............Now believe as you are told to believe, no thinking needed.
Now when you take into account the big bang theory there is no mathematics that backs it up,
Seriously from a purely mathematical and SCIENCE based perspective since there are literally multiple billions more people that believe that God created the universe, noting that God has multiple names than there are physicist on the planet who can have a different theory, then from a science and mathematical based perspective then God is the prevailing currently accepted theory.
Quote from: Europa on 24/07/2021 12:06:48Adolph would approve of You do know that he was an antiscience mystic, don't you...?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 24/07/2021 14:20:16Quote from: Europa on 24/07/2021 12:06:48Adolph would approve of You do know that he was an antiscience mystic, don't you...?Was it mysticism that created the first guided missiles and jets, that resulted in the UK begging the American colonist for help?
Was it mysticism that created the first guided missiles and jets
Hi.Quote from: Europa on 24/07/2021 12:06:48Seriously from a purely mathematical and SCIENCE based perspective since there are literally multiple billions more people that believe that God created the universe, noting that God has multiple names than there are physicist on the planet who can have a different theory, then from a science and mathematical based perspective then God is the prevailing currently accepted theory. Yes. This has been mentioned in several places (science books, philosophy books etc.) However, the two possibilities are not exclusive. People don't have to believe in Science OR religion, they can believe in both.Many people place high value on "free will" as one of the most important gifts from god. To have free will and for it to be useful, we human beings should believe that our actions have consequences and that we should be able to understand at least some of those consequences. Otherwise, what's the point of free will and why is it a gift? A human being can choose to perform some action but has no way of knowing what the consequences might be. If there are no rules or logical connections that we can understand then we could do the same actions again and observe completely different consequences. "Science" can be considered as the study of that set of rules that connects actions and consequences and we need it to make good use of free will. There are many books written about the various ways in which a person can believe in their religious text (e.g. the Bible) and science. For example, the phrase "made the world in 7 days" requires some interpretation of what a "day" is supposed to be before the world was created. If you add in everything we think would apply from Relativity then 7 days could have been 14 billion years for a co-moving observer in our universe. These are not new ideas and we are drifting off topic. Further discussion might be better placed in the the Just Chat section.