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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #60 on: 17/11/2021 15:33:54 »
I think that true sociopaths, who have the ability to lie with a straight face, are mostly born rather than made, but it is possible that childhood experience may contribute to this trait. Surviving a boarding school education almost demands it if you have no other talent, and those politicians educated in the state system were probably called Billy-no-mates. A degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics will introduce you to the works of the world's most notorious parasites, and defiling a pig will pretty much guarantee a safe Tory seat.

My mother said that most Labour politicians were caught with a hand in the till, and most Tories, with a hand up a skirt, but times have changed and whilst a sly wink is now cause for dismissal (though blatant adultery is not), corruption has become as acceptable as incompetence.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #61 on: 17/11/2021 19:11:01 »
If Artificial General Intelligence ever reaches Singularity...

Could then Humans leave the roles of Creating Social Laws, Upholding the Constitutional Values & seeing to it that they are being followed...

In short, could a Super A.I. then be a Leader, Judge & Cop?

Or would even AI learn the magic trick of corruption & start accepting rabbity bribes?
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #62 on: 17/11/2021 21:10:48 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/11/2021 15:33:54
I think that true sociopaths, who have the ability to lie with a straight face, are mostly born rather than made,
I doubt that sociopaths are the only ones who can lie with a straight face, but they are the only ones who live out their self benefitting lies or positions as personalities and real life. As for whether they are born or made, there are many social factors that seem under appreciated, such as paedophile victims becoming perpetrators. Sociopaths could well follow a similarly deranged path, especially in cultures where sociopathy prevails, in a darwinesque road to hell.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #63 on: 18/11/2021 09:52:15 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 17/11/2021 19:11:01
If Artificial General Intelligence ever reaches Singularity...

Could then Humans leave the roles of Creating Social Laws, Upholding the Constitutional Values & seeing to it that they are being followed...

In short, could a Super A.I. then be a Leader, Judge & Cop? What they do are basically collecting and processing information to make decisions. Cops working at the field also have some physical things to do, but that's not really a big problem for AI.

Or would even AI learn the magic trick of corruption & start accepting rabbity bribes?
Creating proper Social Laws and Constitutional Values are instrumental goal to help achieving the terminal goal. Misidentification of the terminal goal, inaccurate perception of objective reality, or inaccurate cause and effect relationships among different things can bring unintended results.

In short, what could stop a Super A.I. from being a Leader, Judge & Cop?

What makes humans possessing power learn the magic trick of corruption & start accepting rabbity bribes? IMO, it's desire to get pleasure and avoid pain, which are meta rewards naturally emerged from evolutionary process. To prevent the AI from going to the same path, they must be assigned the appropriate terminal goal and meta rewards from the first time they are designed.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #64 on: 18/11/2021 09:56:53 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 17/11/2021 21:10:48
I doubt that sociopaths are the only ones who can lie with a straight face
"Good" actors/actresses can do it too.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #65 on: 18/11/2021 14:08:26 »
Actors and scientists are good company because we can stand aside from our professional selves and behave like social animals at the weekend. Once a politician, always a parasite, 24/7/365. With exceptions I can count on one hand.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #66 on: 18/11/2021 23:01:24 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 18/11/2021 14:08:26
Once a politician, always a parasite, 24/7/365. With exceptions I can count on one hand.
Sorry to hear about your accident. How many fingers did you lose??
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #67 on: 19/11/2021 08:46:20 »
I think I could count the exceptions on the fingers of one fish.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #68 on: 19/11/2021 09:45:03 »
Tony Benn (not his loathsome son), Aneurin Bevan, Winston Churchill (yes, a Tory, but an honest one), Jimmy Carter. No thumbs required, though I might consider the political stance of Bertrand Russell and the wartime record of Dwight Eisenhower as qualifying them as good guys who took up politics, rather than politicians.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #69 on: 19/11/2021 19:43:21 »
Human egoism is the main cause of all local and global problems. If people were kinder to each other, it seems to me that this would greatly change the planet for the better. I am currently collaborating with the EduBirdie company and am writing a small study on the topic of morality and on the topic of how important it is in this historical period to understand that we are one.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #70 on: 20/11/2021 02:43:25 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 19/11/2021 09:45:03
Tony Benn (not his loathsome son), Aneurin Bevan, Winston Churchill (yes, a Tory, but an honest one), Jimmy Carter. No thumbs required, though I might consider the political stance of Bertrand Russell and the wartime record of Dwight Eisenhower as qualifying them as good guys who took up politics, rather than politicians.
What do you think about Lincoln? Was he a politician?
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #71 on: 20/11/2021 02:47:14 »
Quote from: marklivin on 19/11/2021 19:43:21
Human egoism is the main cause of all local and global problems.
Would it be better if it's removed? How far can we go? Should we let mosquitos bite us?
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #72 on: 20/11/2021 19:01:18 »
" In short, what could stop a Super A.I. from being a Leader, Judge & Cop? "

I find the above query very oddly satisfying.
It provides Hope of a much better future.

I tend not to slap mosquitoes to death.
I use other non lethal evasive measures.
Body creams & tightly closed windows & high rpm fans & a bed net.
I read somewhere that, it's only the female mosquitoes that bite, and they might be pregnant.
It's not the feminism factor, but the baby thing.

I have a generalized suggestion...
Just like Philosophy & Religion..
Even Politics should be sidelined and discouraged on the forum.
Nothing good ever comes out of it, except for useless quarrels.

Ps - Philosophy is Questions that may Never be Answered.
Religion is Answers that may Never be Questioned.
Politics is a Huge pile of BS!
(🙏nonymous.)
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #73 on: 21/11/2021 00:28:07 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/11/2021 09:52:15
In short, what could stop a Super A.I. from being a Leader, Judge & Cop?
Pulling out the plug, or just ignoring it.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #74 on: 21/11/2021 00:52:10 »
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I tend not to slap mosquitoes to death.
I use other non lethal evasive measures.
Body creams & tightly closed windows & high rpm fans & a bed net.
Your actions can lead to one of following results:
- the mosquitos are starved to die slowly.
- the mosquitos find someone else to bite.

Killing the mosquito quickly may prevent both.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #75 on: 21/11/2021 00:55:19 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 21/11/2021 00:28:07
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/11/2021 09:52:15
In short, what could stop a Super A.I. from being a Leader, Judge & Cop?
Pulling out the plug, or just ignoring it.
You can do those to humans too.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #76 on: 21/11/2021 12:33:52 »
Alas, not often enough, in the case of "leaders". I'm generally happy with the police and judiciary in the UK,. as long as they ignore (or preferably imprison) politicians and serve the public good.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #77 on: 23/11/2021 07:28:43 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/11/2021 02:47:14
Quote from: marklivin on 19/11/2021 19:43:21
Human egoism is the main cause of all local and global problems.
Would it be better if it's removed? How far can we go? Should we let mosquitos bite us?

It would be better if there were less of him and there would be more compassion and mutual assistance.
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #78 on: 24/11/2021 05:28:01 »
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Human egoism is the main cause of all local and global problems.
Would it be better if it's removed? How far can we go? Should we let mosquitos bite us?

It would be better if there were less of him and there would be more compassion and mutual assistance.
Is it restricted to humans, or include other species too?
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Re: Why do we have world problems?
« Reply #79 on: 24/11/2021 07:20:19 »
To the maximum, this should apply to other species too. It is very difficult not to kill even a mosquito or a fly by accident, but we can at least restrict and not eat animals.
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