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Life Sciences => Physiology & Medicine => Topic started by: smart on 19/04/2017 10:23:35
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Is discrete informations in the brain transcoded using associative holographic input from RNA-guided biophotonic waveguides?
What do you think?
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Neuroholographic hypercomputation: Imagination is more important than knowledge! ;)
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Neuroholographic hypercomputation: Imagination is more important than knowledge! ;)
If that's true, then I don't need to know it.
If, on the other hand, it is not true, then I don't need to know it.
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If that's true, then I don't need to know it.
If, on the other hand, it is not true, then I don't need to know it.
That's why you must exercise your imagination once in a while...
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Here is the primary research paper for the neuroholographic model of explicit memory formation: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285705600_Dreams_and_neuroholography_An_interdisciplinary_Interpretation_of_development_of_homeotherm_state_in_evolution
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The majority chemical component of the brain and body is water. If we were to remove the water, nothing will work. If we replace water with any other solvent, again nothing works right down to enzymes and the DNA. Water is a co-partner with the organics of life and has a hand in all things due to its unique properties. Water would be the most logical medium for holographic memory, if such a thing existed.
Water is the co-partner component that everything has in common. This creates a simple common component matrix regardless of organic complexity. Water can form extended structures in liquid water via hydrogen bonding and can transfer information through hydrogen bonding vibrations between neighbors, as well as with mobile hydrogen protons. The mobile hydrogen protons have the highest diffusion speed of any physical material in water. Sodium and potassium ions, for examples are about 10 times slower in water compared the hydrogen proton. While the vibrations in hydrogen bonding is more about photons which is faster still.
As an analogy for the mechanism, say you placed a salt tablet in a beaker of water. The salt tablet will absorb water, dissolve and then become distributed throughout the beaker of water driven by diffusion; entropy and enthalpy. The local perturbation by the salt tablet will become distributed through the beaker in 4-D time profile. The organic matrix of the brain and neurons does not dissolve isn water. However, changes in structures due to memory create changes in the local water potential. This needs to distribute to balance the free energy in the bulk water.
As an analogy say we placed a few ice cubes and a few hot balls of ceramic in a beaker of water. Before we begin we do an energy balance so there will be a zero change in beaker temperature, since the heat capacity of the cold ice and hot ceramic are designed to offset.
If we maintain the ice and ceramic balls in restricted places, the cold and hot induction will create local non-equilibrium, impacting the local and adjacent hydrogen bonding. This will set up convection, to redistribute the heat throughput the beaker.
If we begin another test, now with tertiary inert glass balls, sitting in the water, that begin in equilibrium with the water, these will undergo dynamic changes in equilibrium, as the hot and cold sources induce changes in the water. The result is we can distribute the original thermal memory, into the dynamic story of the glass balls.
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The majority chemical component of the brain and body is water. If we were to remove the water, nothing will work. If we replace water with any other solvent, again nothing works right down to enzymes and the DNA. Water has a co-partner hand in all things due to its unique properties. Water would be the most logical medium for holographic memory if such a thing existed. .
The collective behavior of water molecules in microtubules may influence biophotonic emissions:
Abstract
A theoretical model for the description of a collective behavior of water molecules as an assembly of two-level quantum biological system is proposed. In this model, Micro- Tubules are considered as quantum cavities. Their role is to provide a single mode of biophoton field, in such a way that water molecules to be considered not as independent individuals, but rather as whole, in this manner water molecules are embedded in and interacting with a common radiation field. In the model proposed, collective behavior of water molecules is characterized by coherent water states analogous to Bloch states, whose main feature is to trap biophotons in a collective fashion. Finally some applications to electroencephalography are considered.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-287-736-9_112
I believe coherent water states in tubulin heterodimer may facilitate synchronized gamma-band oscillations and neuroholographic biophotons emissions in the visible spectrum.
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Here is the primary research paper for the neuroholographic model of explicit memory formation: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285705600_Dreams_and_neuroholography_An_interdisciplinary_Interpretation_of_development_of_homeotherm_state_in_evolution
And it goes hopelessly wrong when he says
" It follows from the foregoing that electrical signals of the brain processes can generate visible pictures of dreams if and only if electrical signals are converted to weak, EMWs of the visible range (biophotons) in the brain. "
That's only the 3rd sentence of tehtext ad he's already lost the plot.
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That's only the 3rd sentence of tehtext ad he's already lost the plot.
It is well established that neurons can emits photons: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27819310
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It is well established that neurons can emits photons: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27819310 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27819310)
If light is used to communicate in the brain, it won't travel very far before it is absorbed, (unless the person is pumpkin positive (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/pumpkin+positive) :) ).
Light can't be essential to neurological functioning, as people can speak, see, hear & move when their brain is exposed to light-levels way above biophotons during awake brain surgery (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=awake+brain+surgery) ...
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If light is used to communicate in the brain, it won't travel very far before it is absorbed, (unless the person is pumpkin positive (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/pumpkin+positive) :) ).
Yes. Biophotons are mostly used for cell-to-cell communication and coherent energy transfer. Within neurons, they serve as optical communication channels to produce visible informations (conscious experience) in the prefrontal cortex.
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That's only the 3rd sentence of tehtext ad he's already lost the plot.
It is well established that neurons can emits photons: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27819310
Two things.
First- the problem I raised with the article you cited is a fault in logic (there may also be faults in accuracy).
Secondly, it's clear that anything that's warmer than absolute zero emits photons.
But there's no mechanism in the body for intercepting and using visible photons apart from in the eyes.
People emit farts, but it's not a signalling system.
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But there's no mechanism in the body for intercepting and using visible photons apart from in the eyes.
Wrong. Mitochondrial biophotonic emissions are implicated in microtubules dynamics. See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21425483
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gamma-band oscillations
Which band is labelled "gamma"?
It can't be gamma rays, as these have far too much energy to be generated by organic biological processes.
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Which band is labelled "gamma"?
It can't be gamma rays, as these have far too much energy to be generated by organic biological processes.
Don't confuse gamma rays with gamme wave activity! ;)
See : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_wave
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Yes. Biophotons are mostly used for cell-to-cell communication and coherent energy transfer. Within neurons, they serve as optical communication channels to produce visible informations (consciousness) in the frontal cortex.
Bio-photons are of such a low intensity that they are not visible to the unaided eye. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophoton#Detection_and_measurement)
If a computer which used light at bio-photon levels to operate was exposed to daylight, it would be overloaded: it would crash.
That people can speak & play the banjo (https://youtu.be/rqWBDHRvHrQ?t=2m7s) during craniotomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniotomy), when their brain is exposed to bright light, tells you the brain does not rely on photons to work.
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That people can speak & think & move during craniotomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniotomy), when their brain is exposed to bright light, tells you the brain does not rely on photons to work.
Citation needed.
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That people can speak & think & move during craniotomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniotomy), when their brain is exposed to bright light, tells you the brain does not rely on photons to work.
Citation needed.
A video is even better than a citation ...
https://youtu.be/rqWBDHRvHrQ?t=2m7s (https://youtu.be/rqWBDHRvHrQ?t=2m7s)
Plenty more "awake brain surgery" on YouTube ... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=awake+brain+surgery (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=awake+brain+surgery)
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That people can speak & think & move during craniotomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniotomy), when their brain is exposed to bright light, tells you the brain does not rely on photons to work.
Citation needed.
Why?
You never bother.
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I don't doubt the existence of superluminal biophotons inside microtubules. I suggest neurons may exchange coherent holographic informations (synchronized gamma-band oscillations) using biophotonic waveguide emissions in tubulin heterodimer. Furthermore I don't think photons entering the skull should interfere with any coherent energy transfer or cell-to-cell signaling mecanism inside microtubules.
See:
1. https://www.nature.com/articles/srep36508
2. "Possible Existence of Superluminal Photons Inside Microtubules and the Resulting Explanation for Brain Mechanism" (doi: 10.11648/j.ajop.20150305.11)
3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25232047
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I don't doubt the existence of superluminal biophotons inside microtubules.
You should doubt the existence of anything which is allegedly "superluminal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/superluminal)".
Your #2 source is not a reputable science-journal : it amounts to vanity-publishing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_press), see ...
http://flakyj.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/science-publishing-group-sciencepg.html (http://flakyj.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/science-publishing-group-sciencepg.html)
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/sciencepublishinggroup.com (https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/sciencepublishinggroup.com)
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Your #2 source is not a reputable science-journal : it amounts to vanity-publishing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_press)
That's a irrelevant argument. You can check on researchgate.net and find the same study. You can also look here: http://www.isaacpub.org/ShowEditorialBoard.aspx?ids=4&ebid=42
I guess you think that superluminal biophotons do not exists inside microtubules, but that is just outdated informations.
If you want to dive into the maths of superluminal biophotons, see this:
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/3/3/344/htm#2EvanescentSuperluminalPhotonsintheMicrotubule
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updated the title to help people understand what is neuroholographic memory first. :)
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Optical control of dopamine transcription
What exactly are RNA-guided biophotonic waveguides? Can we assume dopamine neurotransmission is largely influenced by RNA transcription and optical control of neuroholographic (conscious) experience?
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updated the title to help people understand what is neuroholographic memory first. :)
The problem with this thread was your content, not your title.
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I have checked my calendar and found that it must be wrong because it says Jan 25 not April 1
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Ignorance is no excuse to ridiculize the truth..
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Ignorance is no excuse to ridiculize the truth..
What truth is there in the claim that photons in the brain move faster than light? It definitely isn't supported by peer-reviewed, repeated experimentation. If it was, then we would know that superluminal travel and communication is possible and it would be a huge news story. Since no such physics-shattering discovery has been made, we can safely say that your claim of superlumnal biophotons is supported by weak evidence at the very most.
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Ignorance is no excuse to ridiculize the truth..
That's true, but irrelevant.
You have also made it slightly ridiculous bu not knowing that the verb is "ridicule".
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Ignorance is no excuse to ridiculize the truth..
What truth is there in the claim that photons in the brain move faster than light? It definitely isn't supported by peer-reviewed, repeated experimentation. If it was, then we would know that superluminal travel and communication is possible and it would be a huge news story. Since no such physics-shattering discovery has been made, we can safely say that your claim of superlumnal biophotons is supported by weak evidence at the very most.
The speed of human consciousness is evidence of FTL neuroholographic information processing: Superluminal biophotonic waveguides in myelinated axons may control mRNA transcription of neuronal cells.
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Ignorance is no excuse to ridiculize the truth..
What truth is there in the claim that photons in the brain move faster than light? It definitely isn't supported by peer-reviewed, repeated experimentation. If it was, then we would know that superluminal travel and communication is possible and it would be a huge news story. Since no such physics-shattering discovery has been made, we can safely say that your claim of superlumnal biophotons is supported by weak evidence at the very most.
The speed of human consciousness is evidence of FTL neuroholographic information processing: Superluminal biophotonic waveguides in myelinated axons may control mRNA transcription of neuronal cells.
"The speed of human consciousness" has never been defined, never mind measured.
So it's not really evidence of anything, and you are just making stuff up.
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The speed of human consciousness is evidence of FTL neuroholographic information processing: Superluminal biophotonic waveguides in myelinated axons may control mRNA transcription of neuronal cells.
Since when was the speed of human consciousness ever measured, let alone found to be faster than light (if it even makes sense to say that consciousness has a "speed")?
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In my opinion human consciousness is both a particle and a wave. There's also currently no way to quantify the speed of consciousness because we don't know how the brain may transcode free energy into neuroholographic pathways.
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There's also currently no way to quantify the speed of consciousness
Then how can you possibly conclude that anything involved with consciousness is moving faster than light? Or that consciousness has a speed at all?
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we don't know how the brain may transcode free energy into neuroholographic pathways.
Word salad.
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There's also currently no way to quantify the speed of consciousness
Then how can you possibly conclude that anything involved with consciousness is moving faster than light? Or that consciousness has a speed at all?
Because (bio)photons in the brain are both a particle and wave; They travel at the speed of light since their mass is equal to 0.
The key is that a photon is not a traditional particle. Rather it is a quantum object, which is part wave, and part particle. When a photon is being created, it is acting mostly like a wave, and waves have no problem going a certain speed from the moment they are created. For instance, bob your hand up and down against a pond's still surface and you will create water waves that ripple away from your hand. The water waves do not start out motionless and then slowly pick up speed as they travel away. The water waves are already traveling at their nominal speed the moment you start creating them. That is how waves behave.
See: http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2014/06/26/how-does-a-photon-accelerate-to-light-speed-so-quickly/
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Biophotons are mostly used for cell-to-cell communication and coherent energy transfer...synchronized gamma-band oscillations.
This is starting to make some sense...
Gamma waves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_wave) in the brain are around 40Hz; other brain wave patterns are in the range 0.1Hz - 25Hz.
These were detected by electro-encephalograms (EEG) in the 1960s.
The typical human brain has around 100 billion brain cells, so any signals picked up by electrodes on the scalp will be the aggregate behavior of a billion or more neurones - any patterns you pick up out of that random noise will be synchronised behavior across billions of cells - "coherent" is not a bad word for that.
That such a brain wave pattern might occur during consciousness is contentious; some authors also claim that they are also present during sleep, when you are not conscious.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_wave
These large-scale EEG patterns have been associated with certain states of consciousness (eg slow-wave sleep), but we really do not know what they do in the brain. The best we can say is that if you sleep-deprive someone, it goes really badly for them.
Where is starts to come unstuck is the assertion that this behavior is communicated by photons.
- A 40Hz photon has a wavelength of around 7,500 km. To detect such a photon with any efficiency, you need an antenna which is about half a wavelength, or about the width of Europe, not a couple of centimeters like the neurons in your brain.
- IMHO, a much more likely explanation is that they are periodic cycles of activity conveyed by activity at synapses. Neurones in the brain can fire a few hundred times per second. So periodic cycles of activity could easily be derived by signals passing through 50 or so neurones.
Within neurons, they serve as optical communication channels to produce visible informations (conscious experience) in the prefrontal cortex.
I agree that the optic nerve could be considered an "optical communication channel".
But this does not mean that it transmits photons like an optical fiber.
In fact, the retina does an incredible job of compressing the the optical image coming into your eyeball into a signal that can be carried as electrical spikes along the optic nerve.
However, this visual information is carried to the cerebral cortex (in the back of the brain), not the prefrontal cortex (in the front of the brain). If your visual cortex is damaged, then the prefrontal cortex does not experience conscious vision.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_cortex
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Because (bio)photons in the brain are both a particle and wave; They travel at the speed of light since their mass is equal to 0.
Now you are contradicting yourself. You said earlier that they move faster than light, and now you say that they move at the speed of light. Which is it?
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Now you are contradicting yourself. You said earlier that they move faster than light, and now you say that they move at the speed of light. Which is it?
Sorry @Kryptid for the confusion. My last comment is definitely my current line of thoughts, however.