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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: What happens when photons leave the sun?
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Hi.
It's not the same photon that exits from the sun as the one that might have started in the core. That's the main thing that explains why the journey has taken so long. Also there are widely varying estimates of the average journey time - from a few thousand years to a million years.
In the core of the sun the protons and helium nuclei are so thick that an emitted gamma ray can't get very far before it is absorbed. If you imagine that a gamma ray is emitted right at the center of the sun then it will start out heading right for the surface. When it crashes into a proton the result of the collision is a proton with extra energy. The proton gives up that extra energy by emitting another gamma ray photon. But this one could head in any direction -- even right back where it started from. And so it goes, with the gamma ray heading from one collision to another, changing its direction each time it is absorbed and re-emitted.
Although they make the whole thing sound poetical by referring "the gamma ray", it's clearly been absorbed (it has gone, there is no gamma photon to be found for a while) and some other photon was re-emitted - this has happened several times over.
In between collisions the gamma rays travel at a speed that is either c (the speed of light in a vaccum), or else the speed of light through the medium (generally slower). Exactly what speed it has travelled at depends on how complicated you want to get and whether you wish to consider a group velocity or a phase velocity for light waves. Explaining group and phase velocity is beyond the scope of one thread.
The propagation of light in plasma is complicated and apparently still under research. The older thinking is that plasma should slow light down and indeed it's almost completely opaque to EM radiation in the visible spectrum. However, just to turn this upside down, there are some new articles suggesting that you can actually get the group velocity (but not the phase velocity) to go higher than c in some situations. (https://www.sciencealert.com/pulses-of-light-can-break-the-universal-speed-limit-and-it-s-been-seen-inside-plasma ).
Finally, the gravitational potential and the over-all redshift issue is also complicated. As @Halc mentioned the change in potential is what will be important BUT.... the potential energy at the centre of a sphere (the sun) is a topic which might spill over to another thread. So we probably do need to know exactly how deep within the sun the photon was when it was created.
Best Wishes.
It's not the same photon that exits from the sun as the one that might have started in the core. That's the main thing that explains why the journey has taken so long. Also there are widely varying estimates of the average journey time - from a few thousand years to a million years.
In the core of the sun the protons and helium nuclei are so thick that an emitted gamma ray can't get very far before it is absorbed. If you imagine that a gamma ray is emitted right at the center of the sun then it will start out heading right for the surface. When it crashes into a proton the result of the collision is a proton with extra energy. The proton gives up that extra energy by emitting another gamma ray photon. But this one could head in any direction -- even right back where it started from. And so it goes, with the gamma ray heading from one collision to another, changing its direction each time it is absorbed and re-emitted.
Although they make the whole thing sound poetical by referring "the gamma ray", it's clearly been absorbed (it has gone, there is no gamma photon to be found for a while) and some other photon was re-emitted - this has happened several times over.
In between collisions the gamma rays travel at a speed that is either c (the speed of light in a vaccum), or else the speed of light through the medium (generally slower). Exactly what speed it has travelled at depends on how complicated you want to get and whether you wish to consider a group velocity or a phase velocity for light waves. Explaining group and phase velocity is beyond the scope of one thread.
The propagation of light in plasma is complicated and apparently still under research. The older thinking is that plasma should slow light down and indeed it's almost completely opaque to EM radiation in the visible spectrum. However, just to turn this upside down, there are some new articles suggesting that you can actually get the group velocity (but not the phase velocity) to go higher than c in some situations. (https://www.sciencealert.com/pulses-of-light-can-break-the-universal-speed-limit-and-it-s-been-seen-inside-plasma ).
Finally, the gravitational potential and the over-all redshift issue is also complicated. As @Halc mentioned the change in potential is what will be important BUT.... the potential energy at the centre of a sphere (the sun) is a topic which might spill over to another thread. So we probably do need to know exactly how deep within the sun the photon was when it was created.
Best Wishes.