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Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?

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Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« on: 10/02/2022 10:50:50 »
My model predicts there should be a little Energy missing in pi-minus decay. Is this possible?
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #1 on: 10/02/2022 16:28:30 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 10/02/2022 10:50:50
Is this possible?
It is probable that you do not know what you are talking about.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #2 on: 10/02/2022 16:56:18 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 10/02/2022 10:50:50
My model predicts there should be a little Energy missing in pi-minus decay. Is this possible?

How would that not violate conservation of energy?
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #3 on: 10/02/2022 17:24:37 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 10/02/2022 16:56:18
How would that not violate conservation of energy?

By there being predicted another particle (massless).
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #4 on: 10/02/2022 18:41:25 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 10/02/2022 10:50:50
My model predicts
Your model has yet to make a single accurate prediction, but has made many errors.
Why do you keep going on about it?
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #5 on: 10/02/2022 22:07:40 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 10/02/2022 17:24:37
By there being predicted another particle (massless).

Okay, how much energy should be missing?
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #6 on: 11/02/2022 12:14:23 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 10/02/2022 22:07:40
Okay, how much energy should be missing?

Four space point's worth of. I don't know how much energy is in a space point.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #7 on: 11/02/2022 12:46:45 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 11/02/2022 12:14:23
I don't know how much energy is in a space point.
The energy (or mass) of a non existent thing is undefined.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #8 on: 11/02/2022 13:26:33 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 11/02/2022 12:46:45
The energy (or mass) of a non existent thing is undefined.

Spacetime does exist, then space points must exist. Otherwise time coupled with nothing gives you spacetime - a contradiction.

It is six space points worth of not four.
« Last Edit: 11/02/2022 13:30:10 by talanum1 »
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #9 on: 11/02/2022 14:46:26 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 11/02/2022 13:26:33
Spacetime does exist,
Yes.
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then space points must exist.
No
Quote from: talanum1 on 11/02/2022 13:26:33
Otherwise time coupled with nothing gives you spacetime
Gibberish.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #10 on: 11/02/2022 15:37:41 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 11/02/2022 14:46:26
Otherwise time coupled with nothing gives you spacetime
Gibberish.

Read: "Otherwise time coupled with space gives you spacetime...". Now replace "space" with "nothing" in the previous sentence. Still gibberish?
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #11 on: 11/02/2022 17:09:32 »
Space existing doesn't mean that space "points" must exist. If space turns out to be quantized, then that would suggest that there aren't dimensionless points anywhere.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #12 on: 11/02/2022 17:58:49 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 11/02/2022 15:37:41
Read: "Otherwise time coupled with space gives you spacetime...". Now replace "space" with "nothing" in the previous sentence. Still gibberish?
Yes, that is still gibberish.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #13 on: 11/02/2022 18:02:51 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 11/02/2022 17:09:32
Space existing doesn't mean that space "points" must exist. If space turns out to be quantized, then that would suggest that there aren't dimensionless points anywhere.

I mean with "point" a quantum of space.

Quote from: Origin on 11/02/2022 17:58:49
Yes, that is still gibberish.

You just don't want to accept the logical argument and conclusion.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #14 on: 11/02/2022 18:12:10 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 11/02/2022 18:02:51
You just don't want to accept the logical argument and conclusion.
"time coupled with nothing gives you spacetime..." is not a logical argument, it is a statement with no evidence.  Gibberish is a reasonable description of your statement.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #15 on: 11/02/2022 18:42:01 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 11/02/2022 18:02:51
You just don't want to accept the logical argument
You haven't got close to presenting one.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #16 on: 11/02/2022 19:00:52 »
Quote from: Kryptid
Okay, how much energy should be missing?

Quote from: talanum1 on 11/02/2022 12:14:23
Four space point's worth of. I don't know how much energy is in a space point.

Holy crap, that's priceless... ;D
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #17 on: 11/02/2022 20:18:03 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 11/02/2022 18:02:51
You just don't want to accept the logical argument and conclusion.

So if it was determined that there wasn't missing energy in the Pi-minus decay, would that be a falsification of your model?
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #18 on: 12/02/2022 08:34:15 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 11/02/2022 20:18:03
So if it was determined that there wasn't missing energy in the Pi-minus decay, would that be a falsification of your model?

Yes. It would mean structure is not conserved. It would be a sad state and I won't be able to wrap my head around it.
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Re: Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?
« Reply #19 on: 12/02/2022 12:15:03 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 12/02/2022 08:34:15
Quote from: Kryptid on 11/02/2022 20:18:03
So if it was determined that there wasn't missing energy in the Pi-minus decay, would that be a falsification of your model?

Yes. It would mean structure is not conserved. It would be a sad state and I won't be able to wrap my head around it.

I have bad news for you.
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