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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Richard777 on 09/05/2021 12:27:40

Title: Can a vector of force give different systems of energy?
Post by: Richard777 on 09/05/2021 12:27:40
Force may be represented as a vector. A 4D vector of force has four components, it also has four “associated components” (including magnitude), giving eight “parts” of force. This gives a vector of force having a “geometry of force”.

Each part of force may be associated with an energy. If definitions of force and energy apply, then seven “systems of energy” may be represented.

The seven systems are:
-   Klein-Gordon energies (wave-particle energies)
-   Stefan-Boltzmann energies (radiant energies)
-   Bohr energies (orbital energies)
-   Compton energies (photo-electric energies)
-   energies of mass dilation
-   Plank energies (thermo-gravitational energies)
-   Hawking energies (photo-thermo-gravitational energies)
The math for each energy system is attached.
Title: Re: Can a vector of force give different systems of energy?
Post by: Origin on 09/05/2021 15:00:22
What are you trying to say or ask.  Force is force.  Energy is energy.  Force has a magnitude and direction so it can be represented by a vector.  Energy is a force over a distance.  Energy is not a vector.
Title: Re: Can a vector of force give different systems of energy?
Post by: Kartazion on 19/07/2021 15:13:43
...  Energy is a force over a distance.

What do you mean by that ?
Title: Re: Can a vector of force give different systems of energy?
Post by: Origin on 26/07/2021 00:29:34
What do you mean by that ?
In simple terms
The equation:  5f0c958277b988b6a1d7c7fc82a1e260.gif
Where:
W is work
F is force
s is displacement.

Work is defined as the amount of energy transferred to move an object over some distance.
Title: Re: Can a vector of force give different systems of energy?
Post by: Kartazion on 26/07/2021 01:34:35
... Energy is a force over a distance.

Isn't gravity a force over a distance? What differentiation is there between energy and gravity here if gravity is not a force over a distance?

Work is defined as the amount of energy transferred to move an object over some distance.

Work?. But you also have the work by gravity.

Finally is gravity not energy?
Title: Re: Can a vector of force give different systems of energy?
Post by: Origin on 26/07/2021 05:16:24
Isn't gravity a force over a distance?
No
What differentiation is there between energy and gravity here if gravity is not a force over a distance?
In Newtons model gravity is a force it is not energy
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Since gravity is a force however, you can use it to increase the energy of a mass.  If a 1 kg mass falls for 1 second it will have a velocity of about 10 m/s, so at that point the 1 kg mass will have about 50 joules of KE.
Title: Re: Can a vector of force give different systems of energy?
Post by: Kartazion on 26/07/2021 08:00:01
Since gravity is a force however, you can use it to increase the energy of a mass.  If a 1 kg mass falls for 1 second it will have a velocity of about 10 m/s, so at that point the 1 kg mass will have about 50 joules of KE.

I recognize well the 1/2 (½ m.v²) of the Kinetic Energy of the harmonic oscillator in your 'Initial condition'.

In Newtons model gravity is a force it is not energy
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We still see a simple relationship with your equation and that of gravitational potential energy.

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Title: Re: Can a vector of force give different systems of energy?
Post by: Origin on 26/07/2021 12:47:05
We still see a simple relationship with your equation and that of gravitational potential energy.
Yep.  There is gravitational potential energy but gravity is still not energy.  Just like kinetic energy is due to a masses velocity, but velocity is not energy.  Savvy?