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There's little point in doubting the historical aspects of the New Testament. Confused, but fairly consistent with what we know of the period from other sources. It's the latterday garbage that christians hang onto it that is so absurd, along with Revelations. And it is worth remembering that the Triune Deity was invented by the Council of Nicea in AD325 - a typical "committee horse" that looks like a deformed camel.
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/04/2020 00:01:28There's little point in doubting the historical aspects of the New Testament. Confused, but fairly consistent with what we know of the period from other sources. It's the latterday garbage that christians hang onto it that is so absurd, along with Revelations. And it is worth remembering that the Triune Deity was invented by the Council of Nicea in AD325 - a typical "committee horse" that looks like a deformed camel.Al's humor is a little out there. The N.T. was written 200 years after when, Al? Note his urgency to imitate Usain Bolt.
Quote from: CliveG on 23/04/2020 15:41:02Assume for 1 second that multiverses exist. What caused them to exist? Why the Infinite Intelligence hypothesized by CliveG of course. Assume for 1 second that multiverses the Infinite Intelligence hypothesized by CliveG exists. What caused them to exist?
Assume for 1 second that multiverses exist. What caused them to exist? Why the Infinite Intelligence hypothesized by CliveG of course.
Quote from: CliveG on 23/04/2020 07:56:24 Watch the documentary "Pandemic" which came out on Netflix on November 2019. Is it any good?
Watch the documentary "Pandemic" which came out on Netflix on November 2019.
Science accepts the concept of a Prime Cause. An Infinite Intelligence as a Prime Cause is far more simple (hence Occam) than a sudden appearance of dumb matter and energy which has just the right properties for intelligence to emerge. You still have not addressed this issue.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/04/2020 17:18:30Quote from: CliveG on 23/04/2020 15:41:02Assume for 1 second that multiverses exist. What caused them to exist? Why the Infinite Intelligence hypothesized by CliveG of course. Assume for 1 second that multiverses the Infinite Intelligence hypothesized by CliveG exists. What caused them to exist?Science accepts the concept of a Prime Cause. An Infinite Intelligence as a Prime Cause is far more simple (hence Occam) than a sudden appearance of dumb matter and energy which has just the right properties for intelligence to emerge. You still have not addressed this issue.
Science accepts the concept of a Prime Cause.
The N.T. was written 200 years after when, Al? Note his urgency to imitate Usain Bolt.
Quote from: duffyd on 24/04/2020 00:07:51The N.T. was written 200 years after when, Al? Note his urgency to imitate Usain Bolt. Sorry, the current content dates from 325 years AD, which as everyone in law and business knows is the system that assigns dates from the presumed conception of Jesus. I'd be perfectly happy to imitate Mr Bolt, but anno domini has taken its toll of my knees. I'm flattered, nonetheless..
It is worth bearing in mind that I have been correct 100% of the time predicting Al would not respond to my questions challenging his assertions about the N.T.
we don't chuck any reasonable hypothesis w/o strong, intelligent justification.
A person who was just crucified was hardly capable of convincing his witnesses that he was the risen Savior! In their wounded and sickly condition, they might be alive, but no one would declare them raised in a wonderful new body!
No, not 200 years as you said or 300. Not even close, as you know.
Quote from: duffyd on 24/04/2020 12:13:37No, not 200 years as you said or 300. Not even close, as you know. You really ought to study the history and authorship of the New Testament. It's interesting to those of serious mind. Drivel and bluster are the stock in trade of inept preachers. The minutes of the Council of Nicea and the King James committee are fact.
Quote from: duffyd on 23/04/2020 23:10:49A person who was just crucified was hardly capable of convincing his witnesses that he was the risen Savior! In their wounded and sickly condition, they might be alive, but no one would declare them raised in a wonderful new body!They would see what they wanted to see.And, let's face it "alive" would be seen as a miracle. Who would have cared about details?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 24/04/2020 12:41:37Quote from: duffyd on 23/04/2020 23:10:49A person who was just crucified was hardly capable of convincing his witnesses that he was the risen Savior! In their wounded and sickly condition, they might be alive, but no one would declare them raised in a wonderful new body!They would see what they wanted to see.And, let's face it "alive" would be seen as a miracle. Who would have cared about details?There is a detail here that confuses me.According to the bible there was no “wonderful new body”, if there was Thomas could not have been invited to place his hands in the wounds.
Not to change the subject, but