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Perhaps the "physical" answer for the question, lies on nature itself... Animals with slower metabolism usually are those who live longer... Surely the brains entity are not self aware of that, but DNA and time are in correlation to, resulting in evolution when in correlation with an environment... If speed up anything/synapses "on" any living being, would result in a longer longevity "in time", everything would be pre-conditioned to do so, those would than live longer... May sound silly but DNA is amazing, it's capabilities seems to be able to with time, surpass any environment, by learning the rules, otherwise we would not have come to live... They talk about the twin paradox, which is clearly untested "yet", for now every single time I tend to picture the metabolism of an prehistoric being that barely evolved since than, and compared it to a still evolving species... My irrational clue to the twin paradox also stick with relativity, if not for the explanation it provides, than for the very fact that reptiles whe compared to many mamals live much longer... A alligator cannot travel at C, nor a human, but surely looks like that those species, had time to find a way to work around that limitation, by reducing their own synapses... If the speeding up was a viable way to counterpart time and aging, DNA would have already found a way use that... Than subjection and fantasy comes to mind, and also the visualization of a Dolphin with a self-developed sonar, along with an persistent Eal that have developed means to produce high voltage current on itself, tardigrades and more... If speed and kinetic energy, that surrounds us, would be of any use to an environment being as humans, since day one we would have evolved to absolve energy from space itself trough our skin to feed our bodies, but we did not, anything did not... We may not knew that earth is traveling on a space that is at C, but DNA surely did, even evolved eyes that psychically calculate light and C, something that we do not even understand yet... For so if something sounds to good to be true as counterpart age by existing within an accelerate frame, is most likely that is not... I believe that the most simple and practical answer for the paradox is: The traveling twin(for the earthling perspective) aged too fast and died from complications just after the beginning of it's journey(even if for himself that journey had take years)...
thebox If you do not believe relativity you are welcome to believe anything you like. Frame time is reaction rate relative to the tick rate of the frame. Our bodies reaction rate of aging including synapsis firing rate are tied to the frame we occupy. Space travel at relativistic speeds while still in the present reduce your reaction rate there by slowing your aging process. All reactions are in the present there is no time travel. Its all being done in the reaction rate.
Quote from: Alex Siqueira on 08/12/2016 23:05:47Perhaps the "physical" answer for the question, lies on nature itself... Animals with slower metabolism usually are those who live longer... Surely the brains entity are not self aware of that, but DNA and time are in correlation to, resulting in evolution when in correlation with an environment... If speed up anything/synapses "on" any living being, would result in a longer longevity "in time", everything would be pre-conditioned to do so, those would than live longer... May sound silly but DNA is amazing, it's capabilities seems to be able to with time, surpass any environment, by learning the rules, otherwise we would not have come to live... They talk about the twin paradox, which is clearly untested "yet", for now every single time I tend to picture the metabolism of an prehistoric being that barely evolved since than, and compared it to a still evolving species... My irrational clue to the twin paradox also stick with relativity, if not for the explanation it provides, than for the very fact that reptiles whe compared to many mamals live much longer... A alligator cannot travel at C, nor a human, but surely looks like that those species, had time to find a way to work around that limitation, by reducing their own synapses... If the speeding up was a viable way to counterpart time and aging, DNA would have already found a way use that... Than subjection and fantasy comes to mind, and also the visualization of a Dolphin with a self-developed sonar, along with an persistent Eal that have developed means to produce high voltage current on itself, tardigrades and more... If speed and kinetic energy, that surrounds us, would be of any use to an environment being as humans, since day one we would have evolved to absolve energy from space itself trough our skin to feed our bodies, but we did not, anything did not... We may not knew that earth is traveling on a space that is at C, but DNA surely did, even evolved eyes that psychically calculate light and C, something that we do not even understand yet... For so if something sounds to good to be true as counterpart age by existing within an accelerate frame, is most likely that is not... I believe that the most simple and practical answer for the paradox is: The traveling twin(for the earthling perspective) aged too fast and died from complications just after the beginning of it's journey(even if for himself that journey had take years)...Interesting you relate ''time'' to metabolism. I believe in decay, things decay and degrade over ''time''. I do believe in reality the Caesium has any relationship with real ''time'' , arbitrary time is quite meaningless. So when the rate of the caesium slows down, I do not believe this is relative to the human metabolism or ageing process.To me it is on par to saying that if a dripping tap slowed down the drip, time slows down, again it would be unrelated. I do not think we are made of Caesium atoms. However I do believe that space and time are interwoven , I would even be so bold and say that space and time, is ''god''. My premise is that nothing can exist without a space to exist in, there can be no motion if there is no space and time. There can be no events without space and time.
So what do you consider the Caesium /human relationship is? I do not ''see'' humans been anything like a Caesium. There is no evidence that a slowed down Caesium rate alters our ages , the Caesium is independent of humans and the rate has no affect on humans. Humans do not have this rate?
QuoteSo what do you consider the Caesium /human relationship is? I do not ''see'' humans been anything like a Caesium. There is no evidence that a slowed down Caesium rate alters our ages , the Caesium is independent of humans and the rate has no affect on humans. Humans do not have this rate?Time=energy c=motion. The electron cycle motion is related to the electron cycle motion in our bodies. If you are in a frame where the cesium clock slows down its tick cycle your body also slows down its tick cycle. Your body is a biological clock. Your telomeres unwind once about every 7 years and we have about 17 possible unwinding's to remain alive. Dolly the sheep only had the amount of winding left to her mother so they died around the same time. c being the zero point energy decreases with speed by the amount necessary to move the electrons a different distance then the relative rest distance. This slows down the cycle of the electron in the atom. c is a limit of energy and you have to account for the relative motion through space in conservation of energy c.Its you lack of understanding time itself that stops your understanding of the twin paradox. Which is not really a paradox when you understand relativity correctly.
Quote from: Thebox on 09/12/2016 08:29:34Quote from: Alex Siqueira on 08/12/2016 23:05:47Perhaps the "physical" answer for the question, lies on nature itself... Animals with slower metabolism usually are those who live longer... Surely the brains entity are not self aware of that, but DNA and time are in correlation to, resulting in evolution when in correlation with an environment... If speed up anything/synapses "on" any living being, would result in a longer longevity "in time", everything would be pre-conditioned to do so, those would than live longer... May sound silly but DNA is amazing, it's capabilities seems to be able to with time, surpass any environment, by learning the rules, otherwise we would not have come to live... They talk about the twin paradox, which is clearly untested "yet", for now every single time I tend to picture the metabolism of an prehistoric being that barely evolved since than, and compared it to a still evolving species... My irrational clue to the twin paradox also stick with relativity, if not for the explanation it provides, than for the very fact that reptiles whe compared to many mamals live much longer... A alligator cannot travel at C, nor a human, but surely looks like that those species, had time to find a way to work around that limitation, by reducing their own synapses... If the speeding up was a viable way to counterpart time and aging, DNA would have already found a way use that... Than subjection and fantasy comes to mind, and also the visualization of a Dolphin with a self-developed sonar, along with an persistent Eal that have developed means to produce high voltage current on itself, tardigrades and more... If speed and kinetic energy, that surrounds us, would be of any use to an environment being as humans, since day one we would have evolved to absolve energy from space itself trough our skin to feed our bodies, but we did not, anything did not... We may not knew that earth is traveling on a space that is at C, but DNA surely did, even evolved eyes that psychically calculate light and C, something that we do not even understand yet... For so if something sounds to good to be true as counterpart age by existing within an accelerate frame, is most likely that is not... I believe that the most simple and practical answer for the paradox is: The traveling twin(for the earthling perspective) aged too fast and died from complications just after the beginning of it's journey(even if for himself that journey had take years)...Interesting you relate ''time'' to metabolism. I believe in decay, things decay and degrade over ''time''. I do believe in reality the Caesium has any relationship with real ''time'' , arbitrary time is quite meaningless. So when the rate of the caesium slows down, I do not believe this is relative to the human metabolism or ageing process.To me it is on par to saying that if a dripping tap slowed down the drip, time slows down, again it would be unrelated. I do not think we are made of Caesium atoms. However I do believe that space and time are interwoven , I would even be so bold and say that space and time, is ''god''. My premise is that nothing can exist without a space to exist in, there can be no motion if there is no space and time. There can be no events without space and time. Surely, I relate time with anything that exists, on the case of DNA even more, for it evolve to deal with the environment, and the environment is also submitted to time... The same reason behind the development of any organ on any living creature... I'm relating the existence of "this" metabolism "now" as a product that emerge from a constant experience of time... That's why I suggested that if acceleration of anything was good to longevity, we would have also developed an organ to absorb that, or bypass it... If one believes to be impossible to DNA to achieve a "necessity", just stop and look at all living creatures, anything seeks to slow down... I'm just suggesting, that the twin traveling would die at a faster rate, and will come back to earth only to rotten at an usual speed, along with his brother... We "happen" at the frame we encounter ourselves, but there is "threshold" on everything there is, the paradox seems to be ignoring any possible threshold to achieve a virtual result, not possible.... Decay, is the key factor on the proposition, and the reason why something decays(time, any time being it faster or slower, doesn't matter)...
The rate of the caesium atom passes through time .
QuoteThe rate of the caesium atom passes through time .Yes and time is c energy. Velocity of the clock through space takes some of that energy for vector velocity. The hypothetical clock at c would stop electron cycling. Every speed reduces the electron cycling from a more rested position. The rate of electron cycle relates to the reaction time of a frame. The reaction of aging is also affected.Time = motion = energy c
but the fisherman knows the spacial void of time was timeless and a constant.
Quotebut the fisherman knows the spacial void of time was timeless and a constant.I would prefer physics over the fisherman for my understanding. Time is measured by the electron and photon. Each are confounded by the same amount of motion to measure time the same in every frame. This turns out to be geometry between SR and GR. So we can consider it coincidence or some energy is causing the electron and photon motion. I favor Time =motion =energy c for electron and photon motion. If your fisherman is energy c then we agree if not well we do not agree.You have not given cause for time. As a realest every action has a cause. As a non realest you can invoke the fisherman as proof time and energy c are not the same. I do not allow myself that luxury.
I did reply with such elegance, however seemingly the post as disappeared. I will try again with perhaps less brilliance .
You say time is measured by the electron and photon, a more realistic mind would realise that both the photon and electron exist in time .
QuoteI did reply with such elegance, however seemingly the post as disappeared. I will try again with perhaps less brilliance .Straight speaking is more my style. I might not recognize brilliance.QuoteYou say time is measured by the electron and photon, a more realistic mind would realise that both the photon and electron exist in time .Obviously you do not want to define time and would rather it remain a mystery. c is time, Electrons rotate through the sea of c. Photons propagate through the sea of c. So we finally agree.
Well I am not sure I should define time.
C is a speed
c is not time, photons propagate through the unbounded ocean of time.
Happy Holidays box.QuoteWell I am not sure I should define time.I am interested in defined knowledge that represents understanding of my environment. QuoteC is a speed Yes that is one dimension of time we recognize as a constant, total energy available and the cause of motion itself. Quotec is not time, photons propagate through the unbounded ocean of time. What is the use of using a term (time) and not defining the term? The ocean of time to me is c and the cause of relativity.
Time = absolute unbounded dark space