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Is zero point energy or the universal expansion crushing all galaxies?

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Is zero point energy or the universal expansion crushing all galaxies?
« on: 29/11/2017 09:30:43 »
One of the reasons scientists have been perplexed by dark energy is how much faster a galaxy is spinning despite there not being enough mass to create that speed. I'm considering the possibility that the zero point energy is generating a weak force against all forms of matter.

This causes the expansion of the universe to accelerate. But it also pushes in on a galaxy from all sides greater than it does between the objects within a given galaxy. All objects in orbit with the galactic center are being pushed/pulled in on by gravity. We know this.

However the outside force, to which we cannot measure at the scales of our levels is still felt by the body of galactic scales. This forces the galaxy material to orbit closer to its center than momentum alone allows. Any object that is orbiting at the same velocity but closer than it would normally will go faster and complete its orbital cycle at a higher rate than what gravity alone accounts for.

This is my theory. The descriptive image that comes to mind is boiling water. Causing things to both clump together in the medium. Even though the temperature is the same through out the sum material. However. The more of the boiling medium there is. The more pressure between such clumps over all.

Please submit your thoughts and if you can create the math to calculate such differences and forces. Do so! I have absolutely no serious math skills. So naturally I cant get this theory off the ground on my own.
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Re: Is zero point energy or the universal expansion crushing all galaxies?
« Reply #1 on: 29/11/2017 12:30:54 »
Quote from: McQueen A on 29/11/2017 09:30:43
One of the reasons scientists have been perplexed by dark energy is how much faster a galaxy is spinning despite there not being enough mass to create that speed. I'm considering the possibility that the zero point energy is generating a weak force against all forms of matter.

This causes the expansion of the universe to accelerate. But it also pushes in on a galaxy from all sides greater than it does between the objects within a given galaxy. All objects in orbit with the galactic center are being pushed/pulled in on by gravity. We know this.

However the outside force, to which we cannot measure at the scales of our levels is still felt by the body of galactic scales. This forces the galaxy material to orbit closer to its center than momentum alone allows. Any object that is orbiting at the same velocity but closer than it would normally will go faster and complete its orbital cycle at a higher rate than what gravity alone accounts for.

This is my theory. The descriptive image that comes to mind is boiling water. Causing things to both clump together in the medium. Even though the temperature is the same through out the sum material. However. The more of the boiling medium there is. The more pressure between such clumps over all.

Please submit your thoughts and if you can create the math to calculate such differences and forces. Do so! I have absolutely no serious math skills. So naturally I cant get this theory off the ground on my own.

It is dark matter and not dark energy linked to galaxy rotation profiles. It is thought that halos of dark matter within the galaxy causes this effect. Linking the vacuum to the expansion of the universe is not an out of the way idea. However, this does not mean that zero point energy is dark energy. Zero point energy denotes the fluctuations around the ground state energy of fields. The cosmological constant is where you need to target your study. It is a very interesting area.

http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/lambda.htm
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Re: Is zero point energy or the universal expansion crushing all galaxies?
« Reply #2 on: 29/11/2017 12:40:34 »
Thanks  jeffreyH! Your impute is greatly appreciated. I need to look more into the dark matter halo concern and the cosmological constant before I push further. I'm uncertain if there is dark matter. If my theory is correct and its the cosmological constant instead {yay for any one who can test that! ::)} then it should be viable. Eliminating the need for dark matter.

Thank you again. I'll edit/update as I learn more.
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Re: Is zero point energy or the universal expansion crushing all galaxies?
« Reply #3 on: 29/11/2017 15:07:53 »
Quote from: McQueen A on 29/11/2017 12:40:34
Thank you again. I'll edit/update as I learn more.
You might like to consider posting a complete view in New Theories if you differ from current ideas.
See link for guidance https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=66954.0
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Re: Is zero point energy or the universal expansion crushing all galaxies?
« Reply #4 on: 29/11/2017 17:40:16 »
Quote from: McQueen A on 29/11/2017 12:40:34
Thanks  jeffreyH! Your impute is greatly appreciated. I need to look more into the dark matter halo concern and the cosmological constant before I push further. I'm uncertain if there is dark matter. If my theory is correct and its the cosmological constant instead {yay for any one who can test that! ::)} then it should be viable. Eliminating the need for dark matter.

Thank you again. I'll edit/update as I learn more.

You don't need to be adept at mathematics to get a grasp of ideas. If you wish to take a deeper look then it might be worth ordering a copy of some physics texts through an inter library loan system if    can. If you want to brush up on maths I suggest the dummies series on algebra and calculus to start. It is interesting once you start to understand what all the mathematical symbols means.
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Re: Is zero point energy or the universal expansion crushing all galaxies?
« Reply #5 on: 30/12/2017 17:30:02 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 29/11/2017 12:30:54
It is dark matter and not dark energy linked to galaxy rotation profiles. It is thought that halos of dark matter within the galaxy causes this effect.

The larger question is what is the halo? If you have a preconceived notion that limits the halo by your model you might be missing the bigger picture. We know the halo causes a lensing affect on photons as an expansion. We have a preconceived notion of the halo being mass in order to fit our understanding to relativity rules. Consider this, Dark Mass and Dark Energy being two different aspects of the same thing. One being a particle of a minute size (Dark Mass) and the other being a spin state of c (Dark Energy). Dilation between the particles in a galaxy vs. space between galaxies is much greater within a galaxy. The halo in the center where 75% of the mass resides creates a greater dilation of the halo. This understanding would create havoc with the current model and be rejected by the trained mind of the scientific community. But consider what this might cause to our understanding. The red shift could be attributed to GR and rotation SR. By distance the galaxies would be much further rotated away causing a greater red shift with distance. There might be a point where rotation causes a undefined object beyond 13.8 billion light years where all signals are just noise. Rotation might be greater than c by distance there by losing the ability to define objects.

Throughout history our model of our environmental science has interfered with the true nature of science understanding. Just saying.
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Re: Is zero point energy or the universal expansion crushing all galaxies?
« Reply #6 on: 30/12/2017 18:21:40 »
Quote from: GoC on 30/12/2017 17:30:02
The larger question is what is the halo?
Almost visible light but not quite.......
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Re: Is zero point energy or the universal expansion crushing all galaxies?
« Reply #7 on: 30/12/2017 19:27:04 »
Quote from: Thebox on 30/12/2017 18:21:40
Almost visible light but not quite.......

While it is generally accepted as dilated space light is a wave propagated in space. The dilated space would create a more red shifted frequency than less dilated space. Space is just the carrier of waves of the spectrum. You need to understand the fundamentals.
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