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... it has a profound and lasting positive effect on me and how I now relate to others ...
Quote from: Alan McDougall on 11/06/2016 04:38:27... it has a profound and lasting positive effect on me and how I now relate to others ...Rather than being reactive, there could be an organic explanation for long-lasting changes in personality following a near death experience.Brain injury, (through lack of blood supply), can cause euphoria, exaggerated emotional responses, including exaggerated empathy, (disinhibition).So someone who has had the blood supply to their brain cut off for a period , could become happier & friendlier as a result.
And he could become much more aggressive unlikable and remote a hateful misogynist!
Quote from: Alan McDougall on 11/06/2016 23:04:59 And he could become much more aggressive unlikable and remote a hateful misogynist! Equally true, (but you didn't report socially unacceptable changes in behaviour).But whether the personality change is viewed as positive or negative, the changes after a NDE are explainable as neurological damage, rather than a reaction to their extreme experience.
... Brain damage does not fill ones mind with awe, beauty and a love so deep and so profound that it defy' s human explanation ...
Why people always insist there is a mundane material answer for everything under the sun beats me
Quote from: Alan McDougall on 12/06/2016 00:48:51 ... Brain damage does not fill ones mind with awe, beauty and a love so deep and so profound that it defy' s human explanation ...Feelings of euphoria, aka bliss, aka nirvana, can be generated by brain damage ... [ Invalid Attachment ] http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/fashion/25brain.html?_r=0Jill Bolte Taylor not only reported euphoria , but one-ness, here's video of her describing the experience ... https://youtu.be/UyyjU8fzEYU?t=9m03sQuote from: Alan McDougall on 12/06/2016 00:48:51Why people always insist there is a mundane material answer for everything under the sun beats meIf you were looking for supernatural explanation this is wrong forum.
So you speak for the entire forum and and assume the presumptuous authority to prevent me from suggesting that there might just be another explanation
... what I experienced ...
Consciousness exactly where it is located ... is still a mystery to be solved by science ...
It is not a figment of imagination nor is Alan "crazy" or damaged (brain death.) Hundreds of thousands of people alive today, millions in history, have had similar experiences. These can also be produced through meditation. SEE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ConsciousnessThe book is over 125 years old and i still in print. Why would this be if not for an astounding interest for the subject? Or a whole lot of people experiencing i, including myself. I'm not by any means crazy and put my faith in Shakespeare: "There is more under heaven and earth than is dreamed of in our Philosophy, Horatio." - aprox quote.
THANK YOU ALAN FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND LIKE YOU AND JIM BOB, I TOO HAVE HAD a NDE...as a child. I still will be sitting or doing something when I am suddenly taken aback as if it were happening again, and besides the few similarities, I felt myself move up from my body, and felt as if I was hovering over myself, and several others in the room ! I am still aware of what Is happening with everyone in room, their ongoing conversations continue, but when this happens now, and it still does... thats when I relive the NDE. I felt ascention and an incredibly bright light that seemed blinding, but it wasnt, it was a pure, warm bright light. As I moved upward I could see hands, outstrtched an welcoming. The voices of loved ones the feelings of their presence, without the visualization of their faces. It was just the knowledge in my own heart and mind of who they were. Then I heard a very masculine, but gentle voice saying, that I had things left unfinished, things to do, and I needed to go back. The light on my face and body felt like a gentle hand on my cheek...Then a slow steady descending feeling came over me, and again the I was seeing the most brilliant light, and hearing the gentle voice which seemed farther away now, but still clear! ....It is my very first memory of my life... Its the earliest memory I have, and it left me with an undoubting knowledge of the presence of Jesus, or if you will, others might prefer a higher being...A knowledge that no matter what kind of scientific types of explanations I tried to assign to the events, it always comes down to undeniable knowledge that I have of a higher power..for me Jesus. There are even at times when I am in depression and sickness, that life has made me doubt that presence.... but, that is is when something happens and I reexperience the ascending sensation and can again find myself looking down from above myself! Its definitely OOB experience and my spirit if you will leaves the shell below, and I can feel my own being or spirit above myself, as if shedding my body below, but taking all else above....Then I hear that same voice and sink quietly back into the place I left. I cannot explain why, and I won't argue it with anybody, but I will tell you that it is a very sacred, private memory, and experience for me. I only share it on occasion like this, because you are not alone..and while we share similarities, I think each persons experience is different...and that its not a debaitable event! Even though 1 person experiences it one way, we need to remember that we are each very individual in our personalities, as well as how we experience physical and spiritual events that we have! ...Its like having a heart attack. There are similarities about symptoms, but also differences in how each of us experience the heart attack... I have had 3 as a infant, and another 3 as an adult....each one different as for the physical pain for me... I have an incredible love for life, and love of people. A knowledge of where I will be after this life, and no fear of death itself... My worries come from thinking about going without my children... being without them even though I know I will see them again, it bothers me... I assume time here will go slowly, but it will be the blink of an eye for me... so I worry for them and for me not being ready to let go of them long enough to move on. I must sound like a nut to you but I believe what you experienced was very real, and most importantly you know it was, and it does not matter what anyone else thinks, or believes... You know in your heart and You know its undeniable, no doubts for you.. I believe you were blessed by the knowledge, and not many people get that blessing, and they go through their life looking for the knowlede of weather there is or isnt truth in a higher spirit or Jesus, but you found a truth in your experience...We are lucky...but mostly blessed!
The Being you saw was indeed the Lord Jesus Christ because only he emanates perfect love and leaves you changed for the better for the rest of your life.
I ask physbang where you found an NDE account with other gods? I have pondered them for ten years and not found any such, except for black men like in the above NDE which take Hindus to a judge, who finds the right named person, but the wrong one of two. They then come back to life. And they consider the spirits to be gods.In near-death.com and NDERF I have not found other gods, and in the Jewish NDE God was so far in the distance behind people and events and places that there was no perception of God.Brain and mind are one, so euphoria in the mind is matched with endorphins in the brain.There is a science book, Irreducible Mind and others also recommended by Dr Eben Alexander. That may help Alan.
I see similarities in many cultural NDE's and I agree with what you have noticed..I think the experiences are VERY INDIVIDUAL.... as to weather everyone sees there experience as being with God..or Jesus or any higher power for that matter.... Its very indivdual...
I identify the messengers seen in some Hindu NDEs as "divine", even if they are not "gods".