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Quote from: snorkfort on 16/01/2017 05:05:17Quote from: Thebox on 12/01/2017 05:23:13Hello it seem's very pointless to me now, to post or discuss new ideas/theories, my reason is that nobody ''listens'' and replies back with present information not discussing the actual content and mostly ignoring the content. I can not ''see'' why so many replies involve present information discussed in a new information thread, also seemingly trying to force discipline and trying to force me to except present information like some form of brainwashing. The arrogance is ripe. Is it possible that you are the arrogant one? Assuming oneself to be correct without evidence indicates intellectual arrogance. Repudiating well-established scientific knowledge supported by masses of evidence is also arrogant. From your description of your adventures in other forums, this seems to be what you have been doing. Analytical thinking and an ability to spot logical fallacies and biases are positively correlated with linguistic ability. Your lack of clarity in your sentences is indicative of a lack of linguistic ability. What on earth is "present information"? Perhaps you should be more humble and attempt to improve your linguistic skills before you try to conquer science.Is it possible that I am the arrogant one? NO, I have learnt science I have listened to science and not once is science able to discourse my work and show it to be wrong. Where on the vice versus, I easily show why things are wrong. Present information ? I am surprised you need to ask what that means, That means the knowledge available right now at this present ''time''.
Quote from: Thebox on 12/01/2017 05:23:13Hello it seem's very pointless to me now, to post or discuss new ideas/theories, my reason is that nobody ''listens'' and replies back with present information not discussing the actual content and mostly ignoring the content. I can not ''see'' why so many replies involve present information discussed in a new information thread, also seemingly trying to force discipline and trying to force me to except present information like some form of brainwashing. The arrogance is ripe. Is it possible that you are the arrogant one? Assuming oneself to be correct without evidence indicates intellectual arrogance. Repudiating well-established scientific knowledge supported by masses of evidence is also arrogant. From your description of your adventures in other forums, this seems to be what you have been doing. Analytical thinking and an ability to spot logical fallacies and biases are positively correlated with linguistic ability. Your lack of clarity in your sentences is indicative of a lack of linguistic ability. What on earth is "present information"? Perhaps you should be more humble and attempt to improve your linguistic skills before you try to conquer science.
Hello it seem's very pointless to me now, to post or discuss new ideas/theories, my reason is that nobody ''listens'' and replies back with present information not discussing the actual content and mostly ignoring the content. I can not ''see'' why so many replies involve present information discussed in a new information thread, also seemingly trying to force discipline and trying to force me to except present information like some form of brainwashing. The arrogance is ripe.
Sometimes it is necessary to make many wrong turns on a path to understanding. Mistakes improve understanding eventually.
Quote from: jeffreyH on 16/01/2017 23:18:05Sometimes it is necessary to make many wrong turns on a path to understanding. Mistakes improve understanding eventually.Only when one has the ability to understand his mistakes. Even math cannot prove a theory is correct. It can only disprove a theory.
Alas I stood in front of a mirror and I stared back at me, I asked myself the question, is that really me? to my woe the reflection was quiet and did not answer aloud, however the silence spoke many words and the truth was told.
Quote from: Thebox on 16/01/2017 10:44:11You seem to be ignoring that the ''tip'' of light can be measured and nothing to do with tick rateUnfortunately you are thinking one dimensionally. I know where you are in your understanding. Look at your wave and draw a 90 degree tangent to the wave front. Consider a motor boat going half the speed of the wave front. The wave begins when the boat is in the perpendicular position still moving half the speed of the wave. The wave distance perpendicular is the shortest distance but the wave just begins in that position. The boat travels down the tangent and the wave does not hit the boat until the boat is a distance away and longer than perpendicular. This can create a right triangle. One leg is the tangent boat distance until the wave hit. One leg is the perpendicular position when the wave started and the third line is the hypotenuse from the center of the wave and when the wave front reached the boat. Light being independent of the source follows the hypotenuse path for the image. Cos 30 degrees is the exact contraction of view due to the angle of view. Dilation of the clock to slow the tick rate is exactly the extra distance light has to travel being independent of the source. The Cos 30 = 0.866025 from the triangle produced. So in the perpendicular position = to 1 the hypotenuse light is only 0.866025 or 86.6025 % of the perpendicular position for the wave front hitting the boat. The angle contracts the view and slows the tick rate of a clock. It does not matter if the two mirrors of a clock move in parallel because light is independent of the source. The source moves forward but the wave remains from the event position of the past. Just like the boat and the water wave. Like the waves, c is constant while the distance for light changes in a vector speed light clock with different speeds. Dilation in SR is just a change in the angle for distance and view.This is relativity with c being constant and distance changing with vector velocity of mass. This is a two dimensional understanding of a three dimensional process. There still remains more to relativity understanding if you can assimilate this as being deeper into relativity. GR is a different animal entirely but mathematically equivalent which is the true beauty of relativity. If you are interested in GR I can explain that to you also. If you cannot understand the SR relationship and maintain your zero frame isolation from relativity I am sure very few will listen because 2 + 2 does not = 3. Geometry of motion is very simple math but difficult abstract thinking.
You seem to be ignoring that the ''tip'' of light can be measured and nothing to do with tick rate
Explain your depth of understanding by explaining why an electron moves and I will surely listen. Orientation as light reflects off a screen is not a very interesting observation.
Quote from: GoC on 28/01/2017 14:48:42Explain your depth of understanding by explaining why an electron moves and I will surely listen. Orientation as light reflects off a screen is not a very interesting observation.OK , let us discuss how an electron moves, if you wish to know , with your help I will work it out and ''tell'' you. Firstly I need to ask you a few question on the observation of an electron moving. Can you provide video footage of the electron moving? if not why? if not you have your answer
So I ask you once again what is it that gives motion to the electron? If you have this than you have something worth listening to.
Quote from: Thebox on 30/01/2017 05:02:16Quote from: GoC on 28/01/2017 14:48:42Explain your depth of understanding by explaining why an electron moves and I will surely listen. Orientation as light reflects off a screen is not a very interesting observation.OK , let us discuss how an electron moves, if you wish to know , with your help I will work it out and ''tell'' you. Firstly I need to ask you a few question on the observation of an electron moving. Can you provide video footage of the electron moving? if not why? if not you have your answerIt is impossible to view something going the speed of light. But I have seen footage from a tunneling microscope to view an electron cloud. The cloud of course does not allow a shutter speed fast enough to fix the position. That would violate relativity.So I ask you once again what is it that gives motion to the electron? If you have this than you have something worth listening to. A void in space creates a situation where the electron has to move by magic. I will not listen to magic talk. I have no interest.
Why do people post here?It's not because they want to get scientific enlightenment. It's because of this - they want to see their posts displayed.
Quote from: GoC on 12/01/2017 17:10:18the boxLets try another approach. What do you observe wrong about relativity?Ok GOC an interesting idea. What do I observe is wrong with relativity?Well firstly I do intermingle relativity and special relativity, a slight bit confused ''what'' goes where.Firstly I observe youtube videos from credible sources about Albert Einstein and his work, often showing thought experiments, however in viewing these videos I observe logical errors in thinking and interpretation. Certain things are not possible and the wording of impossible comes into the scenario. Secondly I look further into the work finding articles and reasonable sources that explain in words the work of Einstein, I observe the same thing as when watching the videos, the thinking and logic is flawed. There are several aspects which is ''wrong'', which I have tried to discuss previously, My main concern is the thinking on time, the past,present and future, also I have a big concern about time dilation which is in fact a timing dilation. So I suppose it would be better if I asked you where ''we'' should start. Maybe you should please post some relativity ''facts'' , then I will put agree or disagree , then we could take it from there?
the boxLets try another approach. What do you observe wrong about relativity?