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Quote from: alancalverd on 02/05/2020 12:23:49Quote from: duffyd on 02/05/2020 11:14:52A group of high-powered MIT and Harvard professors were featured recently at a forum to debunk the notion that there is a conflict between science and faith.No conflict. Just two different products, one of which actually works. But it's often easier to sell the one that doesn't., because it makes a virtue out of naïve ignorance and depends on its users not understanding it.You refuse. I understand very little.
Quote from: duffyd on 02/05/2020 11:14:52A group of high-powered MIT and Harvard professors were featured recently at a forum to debunk the notion that there is a conflict between science and faith.No conflict. Just two different products, one of which actually works. But it's often easier to sell the one that doesn't., because it makes a virtue out of naïve ignorance and depends on its users not understanding it.
A group of high-powered MIT and Harvard professors were featured recently at a forum to debunk the notion that there is a conflict between science and faith.
You refuse. I understand.
Quote from: duffyd on 02/05/2020 13:18:04You refuse. I understand.Why do you insist on arguing when I agree with you? Were we married once?
This cat wouldn't read my attempts to inform him that it was Old King Saul, not GOD, who directed Dave to perform that task.
downplaying or criticizing the beauty found within GOD's character
Quote from: Jolly2 on 14/04/2020 21:50:10Quote from: duffyd on 14/04/2020 04:54:22QuoteHe preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTYShow one place Jesus ever said that?Just one...Quote"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). So Jesus claims to have been around since before Abraham was born. How is that him claiming to be Almighty God himself?Quote"I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).Quote rabbi Mordechai Kraft "what is love? When you become me, when I give soo much to you that I can no longer separate between you and me and therefore I see you as a part of me, I love you, we're one"Oh and ofcourse as you see in John 17.20 ".... may they all be one in us as you are in me and I am in you... that they may be one as we are one"QuoteTherefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God They certainly did not. Quoteand they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Exodus 4.22 "Israel is my first born son I order you to let my son go"Jesus ofcourse is a member of Israel. John 4.23 "salvation comes from the Jews"John 3.16 "God loved the world so much he sent his son into the world."Matthew 5.9 "happy the pacemakers for they shall be called sons of God "Ergo all Jews are called to be gods children QuoteDo not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39). Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Exactly jesus represents God fully but to represent someone isnt to be them.Quote me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).Think about it.He's inside me. I asked Him to come in and He manifested His presence. As God, He was already in me, because He's everywhere. But, inviting Him to live in me a true relationship formed. Listen, interpret the scriptures however you choose. That's fine with me. I see the same scriptures clearly pointing to His divinity. We can play bible ping-pong forever. You share a verse that doesn't establish He was God and I share one with you that I think does.
Quote from: duffyd on 14/04/2020 04:54:22QuoteHe preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTYShow one place Jesus ever said that?Just one...Quote"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). So Jesus claims to have been around since before Abraham was born. How is that him claiming to be Almighty God himself?Quote"I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).Quote rabbi Mordechai Kraft "what is love? When you become me, when I give soo much to you that I can no longer separate between you and me and therefore I see you as a part of me, I love you, we're one"Oh and ofcourse as you see in John 17.20 ".... may they all be one in us as you are in me and I am in you... that they may be one as we are one"QuoteTherefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God They certainly did not. Quoteand they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Exodus 4.22 "Israel is my first born son I order you to let my son go"Jesus ofcourse is a member of Israel. John 4.23 "salvation comes from the Jews"John 3.16 "God loved the world so much he sent his son into the world."Matthew 5.9 "happy the pacemakers for they shall be called sons of God "Ergo all Jews are called to be gods children QuoteDo not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39). Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Exactly jesus represents God fully but to represent someone isnt to be them.Quote me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).Think about it.
QuoteHe preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTYShow one place Jesus ever said that?Just one...
He preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTY
"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58).
"I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Therefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God
and they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"?
Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39). Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).
I will no longer answer your foolish questions.
Quote from: duffyd on 01/05/2020 12:33:13Quote from: alancalverd on 30/04/2020 23:59:18Every man has his price.Prove that is true. I quoted mine, the same as Marcelo Gleiser whom you quoted as an example, and BC, with whom I often enjoy a little light disagreement. Three random scientists all give the same figure, so it's a good working hypothesis. The motto is good enough for the President of the USA, who applies it routinely to women he has abused - indeed it is a traditional Presidential motto. So how much would you demand to utter a white lie that comforts many and offends nobody?
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/04/2020 23:59:18Every man has his price.Prove that is true.
Every man has his price.
Quote from: duffyd on 02/05/2020 17:09:11This cat wouldn't read my attempts to inform him that it was Old King Saul, not GOD, who directed Dave to perform that task. But wasn't Saul quoting God as his authority? The Divine Right of Kings is just part of the persitent filth of faith.
If science was hip, it would offer evidence to back up its claim that GOD doesn't exist, I would think.
What does the N.T. teach?
If you can prove the authors made money from their writing,
Quote from: duffyd on 03/05/2020 10:59:11If science was hip, it would offer evidence to back up its claim that GOD doesn't exist, I would think. Science does not claim that any god doesn’t exist, just that there is no scientific evidence for it.Why do you insist on misquoting all the time, that’s bad witness and denying Jesus.Alan and BoredC have made their position clear, they do not see any evidence that a god exists.You have made your position clear, that you believe there is a god, but you have failed to provide any scientific evidence.Belief and emotional feelings do not provide proof of something’s existence.
Was Jesus a good witness?
Define evidence before you say I didn't provide any.
Pay attention.
Is your faith in science 100 percent pure?