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Quote from: Raymond His new ideas will appear to come from nowhere,No they won't - they'll be fully traceable. The reason the sources of many ideas aren't easily traceable in the human brain is that a lot of processes are run in independent, subconscious modules, and only the results get sent through, while it's hard to find what was processed in order to generate them. This leads to ideas appearing to pop into existence out of nothing, but it's entirely an illusion. If you think about where one of your ideas actually came from, you can usually trace it (or at least, I can trace mine).
His new ideas will appear to come from nowhere,
Computing........analysing distraction data.........computing........uploading answer//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwyo6C87zdE
it's too sarcastic. :0)
When the idea popped out, I wasn't sure it would work, but I was sure it was new, and the feeling that came with it was incredible. The first trial was made in no time, it was a very simple structure, and it immediately worked. It was made of cloth, bridles and a fiberglass rod all along the leading edge, nothing new at that time, but the arrangement was new, enough to get a patent.
To me, that progression is similar to the mutation/selection progression for a specie, and we know that mutations happen at random, so I had the idea that the data an idea is made of might also suffer some kind of mutation.
Too much or too sarcastic?
so he couldn't use any part of the mutation/selection process to improve his ideas.That's good news, because he would still need us to invent new things.
it was all steered by thinking systematically down all the most likely paths, and I was guaranteed to find it from the start.
What exactly was the new idea?
The important point though is that this was not a random process - it was all steered by thinking systematically down all the most likely paths, and I was guaranteed to find it from the start.
The reason is good old fashioned trial and error.
So of course when considering the AI, the programming is already giving the AI unit a head start.
That way, I could use a lot less rigid leading edge than the inflatable kites, namely fiberglass rods, which was a lot easier to make and gave a lot lighter kites...
As I say, we can't but use old things to develop new ones, but it is the same with species, and we have to admit that without mutations, we couldn't explain their evolution.
If information is not instantaneous, an AGI could not investigate all the possibilities like you think, because he wouldn't necessary already have the information on all the things that are actually changing around him.
An AGI may be fast, but he cannot increase the speed at which information travels towards his detectors, and the one that he manipulates is also limited to c. My particles are much closer than we are from one another, but they nevertheless cannot know which way to take before the information from the motion of the other particle is back, reason why I had to let the information do the roundtrip before accelerating them again. That's why they resist to be accelerated, that's why we resist to make a change, and that's why an AGI would be forced to do the same.
...so that they must move randomly to find the right way, which is actually what we do when we use the trial and error system to find a solution to a problem.
Oups... sorry, I forgot again that an AGI would not be forced to respect the laws of nature! :0)
Trial and error means taking a direction at random...
Trial and error means taking a direction at random
Quote from: Le Repteux on 02/06/2018 19:24:02Trial and error means taking a direction at random...Not necessarily - if you hunt for a word in a dictionary, you use trial and error to select a place to open it, then you look to see if you're ahead of the word or beyond it, then you try another page a shorter distance away and repeat the process until you reach the right page. This is trial and error, guided by a measure of success each time, and the direction taken is not random.
Did the idea come from the desire to reduce weight or by wondering what difference more bridles might make?
Quote from: David Cooper Trial and error means taking a direction at random...Not necessarily - if you hunt for a word in a dictionary, you use trial and error to select a place to open it, then you look to see if you're ahead of the word or beyond it, then you try another page a shorter distance away and repeat the process until you reach the right page. This is trial and error, guided by a measure of success each time, and the direction taken is not random.
I think the random you are referring to, is a much deeper selective process than just some random guess work.
Of course it is since I compare it to the mutation/selection principle, but since I'm talking about mind and people don't feel erratic, they simply think the analogy is wrong. I'm still waiting for the first person to accept it is right, so that I can begin selling tickets. Want a free ride? :0)
You behave as if you were sure of the outcome, but I suspect that you are not certain.
When we help others, that feeling makes us think that we do it for free, and we don't. Nothing is free in the universe otherwise energy would be lost in the process. We help others when we think they might help us in return, or when we think god will care for us more than he cares for others, which is also selfish.